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I don't get this "Repealing Obamacare will turn voters against the GOP" stuff

Renae said:
RIGHT, it's packaging, it couldn't be the GOP has better ideas.. nope it's "Messaging"
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If you think dropping 24 million off of healthcare is a better idea than you don't know how politics works
 
Porkuloss said:
So Trump and Ryan got together, squatted, and this is what came out? Sounds about right.
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They pretty much hastily threw something together, called it "great healthcare", and hoped everyone would get on board.
 
Winchester said:
It was cringeworthy... idiots.

Not that the Republicans aren't idiots.

I see lots of adds about kids who died because they no longer had health care with this playing in the background:

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They are laughing, thinking "we're rich, and we're exempt!"
 
Redress said:
I did not claim hundreds of republican amendments where adopted, did I? I did show, accurately, that republicans did have input.

Edit: I also note you ignored the vast majority of my post...
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I didn't ignore it. I just don't have time to respond properly atm. The GOP had very little input and no votes for the ACA.
 
katzgar said:
If you think dropping 24 million off of healthcare is a better idea than you don't know how politics works
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I would also point out that the 11 states that have the biggest percent of people with pre-existing conditions are all Trump States so if the Democrats had any brains at all they're going to make considerable hay with this but the brains part that's obviously the issue.
 
Greenbeard said:
Because as it turns out, throwing 30 million people off their coverage entirely is even less popular than making 1-2 million switch to a slightly different plan.
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Who would've thunk it?
 



ditto
 
Renae said:
When the Democrats pushed the ACA through, without GOP input or votes, they owned the House and the Senate.
In the State Governments it was:

28 Democrat controlled Legislature Bodies
28 Governorships
17 State Governments "controlled"
http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_2009.pdf

In 2016 the GOP controls the House, the Senate, the WH
In the State Governments it's:

27 Republican Controlled Legislature Bodies
33 Governorships
32 State Governments "Controlled"
Republicans now dominate state government, with 32 legislatures and 33 governors


Yet, we're supposed to believe that Passing the ACA was bad for the GOP and repealing is worse?

It's the stupidest line of thinking I've ever heard. Flat out.
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Do you agree with the per-existing conditions tha in the ahca that will allow insurance companies to remove or deny insurance?
 
Renae said:
When the Democrats pushed the ACA through, without GOP input or votes, they owned the House and the Senate.
In the State Governments it was:

28 Democrat controlled Legislature Bodies
28 Governorships
17 State Governments "controlled"
http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_2009.pdf

In 2016 the GOP controls the House, the Senate, the WH
In the State Governments it's:

27 Republican Controlled Legislature Bodies
33 Governorships
32 State Governments "Controlled"
Republicans now dominate state government, with 32 legislatures and 33 governors


Yet, we're supposed to believe that Passing the ACA was bad for the GOP and repealing is worse?

It's the stupidest line of thinking I've ever heard. Flat out.
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The American people have started to wake up and they've realized Obamacare is actually better than what we were doing before it. So now that Republicans want to go backwards their ideas are not as popular anymore. We can't count them out just yet though. Right-wing propaganda has proven to be effective at convincing people to slit their own throats so it's possible they'll be able to rollback some of this damage by 2018.
 
Verax said:
The American people have started to wake up and they've realized Obamacare is actually better than what we were doing before it. So now that Republicans want to go backwards their ideas are not as popular anymore. We can't count them out just yet though. Right-wing propaganda has proven to be effective at convincing people to slit their own throats so it's possible they'll be able to rollback some of this damage by 2018.
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It's not better. High as **** deductibles and government covered subsidies.

It's SO great insurance companies are fleeing the market.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/...ll-out-of-obamacares-insurance-exchanges.html

Stop, just stop with the BS
 
Greenbeard said:
The AHCA had 17% approval last time it was polled. That was before it stripped pre-existing condition protections.

The ACA (now at 55% approval) was never, ever, ever even close to being as unpopular as what the GOP just passed.
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The strangest bit being that the guy who wanted this so he could claim a victory of some sort has otherwise been squarely in the single-payer camp.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...?utm_term=.0df26cb223d9&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
 
Renae said:
It's not better. High as **** deductibles and government covered subsidies.
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The AHCA repeals the minimum 60% actuarial value for health insurance standard. That means higher deductibles.
 
Redress said:
I did not claim hundreds of republican amendments where adopted, did I? I did show, accurately, that republicans did have input.

Edit: I also note you ignored the vast majority of my post...
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Side note: I was doing contract work from home when the ACA was being discussed by Congress. I had CSPAN on in the background one day, and Obama had invited GOP House members to discuss what became the ACA. The GOP people came in and many just repeated talk radio slogans. A couple actually read them off of index cards. It was BS. They were going to vote against it no matter what it turned out to be, because they had decided on a strategy of opposing everything out of the Obama administration, period.
 
Renae said:
When the Democrats pushed the ACA through, without GOP input or votes, they owned the House and the Senate.
In the State Governments it was:

28 Democrat controlled Legislature Bodies
28 Governorships
17 State Governments "controlled"
http://www.ncsl.org/documents/statevote/legiscontrol_2009.pdf

In 2016 the GOP controls the House, the Senate, the WH
In the State Governments it's:

27 Republican Controlled Legislature Bodies
33 Governorships
32 State Governments "Controlled"
Republicans now dominate state government, with 32 legislatures and 33 governors


Yet, we're supposed to believe that Passing the ACA was bad for the GOP and repealing is worse?

It's the stupidest line of thinking I've ever heard. Flat out.
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It really depends on how it's worded. The "ACA" had more support than "ObamaCare." If there's one thing Republicans do well it's wording.

If Democrats can succeed at framing it as the Affordable Care Act being repealed, it will hurt them. Americans are dumb.
 
Greenbeard said:
That's a nice euphemism for pricing them out of coverage.
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No...that's a correct assessment of the American insurance consumer. The CBO estimated that approx the same number will opt out of insurance coverage now as did before the ACA was passed.


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Renae said:
Yet, we're supposed to believe that Passing the ACA was bad for the GOP and repealing is worse?

It's the stupidest line of thinking I've ever heard. Flat out.
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Do some basic research. ACHA is incredibly unpopular and tons of GOP voters are worried now.



Nevermind that your man promised not to slash Medicaid and this slashes 800 billion for the hell of it. I guess the poor can just go die. Hooray for conservative FREEDOMZ.
 
Renae said:
Yes, because the damned ACA is in a tailspin.
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And the GOP's solution is to raise deductibles. Despite deductibles today apparently already being too high for your tastes.
 
Greenbeard said:
The AHCA had 17% approval last time it was polled. That was before it stripped pre-existing condition protections.

The ACA (now at 55% approval) was never, ever, ever even close to being as unpopular as what the GOP just passed.
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That is only due to a gullible public that believes left wing propaganda. The fact is, the AHCA is 90% O'Bamacare. Libs should love it, but, noooooo.
 
Renae said:
Yes, because the damned ACA is in a tailspin.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._term=.43bd497f6556&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1
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If true, that's why you fix it. They didn't fix it. They just slashed funding for health care for the poor and allowed insurers to refuse you if you have a pre-existing condition.

Clue: Democrat voters aren't the only people with pre-existing conditions.





If this was a magic world and somehow only GOP voters were harmed by the repeal, I'd sit back and enjoy the shadenfreude. They deserve fully for supporting Trump and the lying liars who passed this. The problem is a whole lot of other people will pay the price, too.
 
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