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List of Obamacare Taxes Repealed

volsrock said:
i have something ...i work and pay for it
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ACA ensured that you won't be kicked out for using it, guaranteed that meds are covered and removed the lifetime benefit limits which were once set as low as $2M. It also allows people to insure their live-at-home adult children, up to age-26, which is rather common these days...you know, since there are so few jobs for young adults with little or no education, training or special skills.
 
Bucky said:
trump's triumph
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You're probably right.
Sad, innit?
The upside of all of this is that after the fiasco has run it's course Trump might have learned some humility. The downside is you'll have paid for his lessons.
 
I'm fine with that. The military is unfunded for today's realities. Although fraud and waste is always a good target. Unfortunately, with any government run enterprise fraud, waste and abuse is a huge problem. Thats why we should minimize government enterprises.

If entitlements aren't reformed they will spend us to the ground. Its a simple fact. They're in a spiral upward. Same with Obamacare. Good riddance.


calamity said:
I'm sure cuts to SS and Medicare are on the GOP plate. The Trillion spent yearly on the military, not so much.
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TobyOne said:
I'm fine with that. The military is unfunded for today's realities. Although fraud and waste is always a good target. Unfortunately, with any government run enterprise fraud, waste and abuse is a huge problem. Thats why we should minimize government enterprises.

If entitlements aren't reformed they will spend us to the ground. Its a simple fact. They're in a spiral upward. Same with Obamacare. Good riddance.
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Time for death panels. No money--you just die. Woo-hoo!
 
OpportunityCost said:
One thing missed in the OP, employers can now put people to full time work and optionally offer benefits instead of being forced to. I expect some people working two part time jobs will find their quality of life will be improved by working one full time job.

Possible expectation of a bump in full time employment.
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Or, not.

There is basically no evidence that employers were cutting hours to go under the threshold. Or, to put it more appropriately: The employers who were keeping employees part-time to avoid providing health insurance were already doing so to avoid providing benefits.
 
Grand Mal said:
You're probably right.
Sad, innit?
The upside of all of this is that after the fiasco has run it's course Trump might have learned some humility. The downside is you'll have paid for his lessons.
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I am really proud of the Republicans. 5/4/17. The day Trump helped unify the party and restructured America's health care system.

Today I also saw a more courageous and brave Paul Ryan. It looks like Trump's charisma has rubbed off the young lad.

:2party:
 
OpportunityCost said:
One thing missed in the OP, employers can now put people to full time work and optionally offer benefits instead of being forced to. I expect some people working two part time jobs will find their quality of life will be improved by working one full time job.

Possible expectation of a bump in full time employment.
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The GOP senate has already dumped this GOP abomination into Harry Reid's circular file and will be starting over from scratch.

All 7 GOP Illinois reps who voted for this piece of **** will have house trumpcare to answer for in a high-stakes governor's race with huge voter turnout next year .
 
Visbek said:
Or, not.

There is basically no evidence that employers were cutting hours to go under the threshold. Or, to put it more appropriately: The employers who were keeping employees part-time to avoid providing health insurance were already doing so to avoid providing benefits.
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Actually a very liberal poster admitted he was just doing that in the other Obamacare thread. He's a very successful business owner.
 
Bucky said:
I am really proud of the Republicans. 5/4/17. The day Trump helped unify the party and restructured America's health care system.

Today I also saw a more courageous and brave Paul Ryan. It looks like Trump's charisma has rubbed off the young lad.
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The Tuesday group in the house wishes to disagree with you, along with the GOP senate and especially 27 GOP state governors up in 2018, along with 86 of 99 state legislative bodies .
 
OpportunityCost said:
One thing missed in the OP, employers can now put people to full time work and optionally offer benefits instead of being forced to. I expect some people working two part time jobs will find their quality of life will be improved by working one full time job.

Possible expectation of a bump in full time employment.
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Right because having your healthcare benefits taken away is a great thing when then restaraunt you work for offers you a 5% employee discount on food instead. Truly a conservative gift to the poor.
 
volsrock said:
-Abolishes the Obamacare Individual Mandate Tax which hits 8 million Americans each year.

-Abolishes the Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax. Together with repeal of the Individual Mandate Tax repeal this is a $270 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Medicine Cabinet Tax which hits 20 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts and 30 million Americans with Flexible Spending Accounts. This is a $6 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Flexible Spending Account tax on 30 million Americans. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s Chronic Care Tax on 10 million Americans with high out of pocket medical expenses. This is a $126 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s HSA withdrawal tax. This is a $100 million tax cut.

-Abolishes Obamacare’s 10% excise tax on small businesses with indoor tanning services. This is a $600 million tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare health insurance tax. This is a $145 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare 3.8% surtax on investment income. This is a $172 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare medical device tax. This is a $20 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on prescription medicine. This is a $28 billion tax cut.

-Abolishes the Obamacare tax on retiree prescription drug coverage. This is a $2 billion tax cut.

Americans for Tax Reform Will Rate the Vote on AHCA, HR 1628 | Americans for Tax Reform

My God THANK YOU MR TRUMP
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What your posting isnt true you should have the moderators delete this thread
 
Bucky said:
I am really proud of the Republicans. 5/4/17. The day Trump helped unify the party and restructured America's health care system.

Today I also saw a more courageous and brave Paul Ryan. It looks like Trump's charisma has rubbed off the young lad.

:2party:
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You don't know what happened yesterday do you, no laws were passed
 
Praxas said:
Right because having your healthcare benefits taken away is a great thing when then restaraunt you work for offers you a 5% employee discount on food instead. Truly a conservative gift to the poor.
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Increased employment stability is something whether you care to admit it or not.
 
NIMBY said:
The GOP senate has already dumped this GOP abomination into Harry Reid's circular file and will be starting over from scratch.

All 7 GOP Illinois reps who voted for this piece of **** will have house trumpcare to answer for in a high-stakes governor's race with huge voter turnout next year .
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Harry Reid isn't the majority leader anymore, you stuck in a time warp?

Dems don't show up for midterms. Again time warp?
 
Ryan, the rest of the GOP and Democratic Elite swamp dwellers are celebrating their success.

None of them want to end Obamacare because their money sources don't want to end Obamacare, but they need to make the masses (everyone else in this thread) think the GOP legislators DO want to end it. Now that the House has passed something, the Mainstream media, the Democratic Elites and the Senate GOP Elites (and their talking potato heads) will point out everything wrong with it. At the end of the day, it's going to die.

Now...the question people should have is, why is Trump talking about how good this GOP bill is? The answer is pretty obvious to me. The swamp dwellers are setting themselves up for a fall...and he likes it.

1. If the Senate DOES, by some chance, pass this thing, Trump celebrates the end of Obamacare. His campaign promise fulfilled.

2. If the Senate lets it die, Trump criticizes the WHOLE Congress because Obamacare is dying and those guys are uncaring to the people who are getting hurt. It won't be Trump's fault. Come election time next year, those Congressmen suffer the consequences.

3. If Congress, by some chance, sends Trump a single payer plan he'll rightfully reject it while pointing out the many reasons why single payer is a bad thing (ballooning government spending/deficit, government takeover of a BIG industry (insurance), increased unemployment, massive reduction in personal choice, etc). Again, Congress will be the bad guys.

4. The longer the GOP and Democratic Elites play their game, the more American people are hurt, the worse it'll be for Congress Critters, the better it'll be for Trump and his MAGA/Anti-Swamp agenda.
 
Mycroft said:
Now...the question people should have is, why is Trump talking about how good this GOP bill is?
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The same reason he talked up versions 1.0 and 2.0: he doesn't know what's in it or what it does.

That the bill gets worse every time they update it, is objectively awful (particularly for his own supporters) and that it breaks every promise he made about health care doesn't faze him because he doesn't know.
 
Greenbeard said:
The same reason he talked up versions 1.0 and 2.0: he doesn't know what's in it or what it does.

That the bill gets worse every time they update it, is objectively awful (particularly for his own supporters) and that it breaks every promise he made about health care doesn't faze him because he doesn't know.
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As I said, it doesn't matter what's in it...at least, not from his point of view. If it passes, Obamacare is repealed, he fulfills a campaign promise and Obamacare is dead. End of story. If it doesn't pass, it's the swamp dweller's fault.

Whatever you think doesn't matter to Trump (or the swamp dwellers). He's not the one creating the bill or failing to pass it...it's not his fault. The swamp dwellers don't care about you...they just care about the money their donors won't give them anymore if they repeal Obamacare.
 
Mycroft said:
As I said, it doesn't matter what's in it...at least, not from his point of view.
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No better summation of why having some reality TV clown for president is so dangerous.
 
Greenbeard said:
No better summation of why having some reality TV clown for president is so dangerous.
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It's not the President that is so dangerous. It's the Elites in Congress.
 
Mycroft said:
As I said, it doesn't matter what's in it...at least, not from his point of view. If it passes, Obamacare is repealed, he fulfills a campaign promise and Obamacare is dead. End of story.
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Not so much.

Trump made all sorts of wild promises about "his" health care reform, which won't happen if it's passed in anything resembling its current form.

• Promise: Pre-existing conditions covered. AHCA: Essentially no protections for pre-existing conditions; e.g. chronic conditions could mean you're only eligible for high-risk pools, which may cost you $25,000 per year

• Promise: No cuts to Medicaid. AHCA: Cuts $880 million from Medicaid.

• Promise: More people covered. AHCA: Aside from Medicaid cuts (which will kick millions off of coverage), millions more health people will drop insurance, only to go back on when the need it -- the proposed penalties are far too low to discourage freeloaders

• Promise: Allows interstate insurance sales. ACA: Allows interstate insurance sales, if the states want it. (Few did; no insurers offered it.) AHCA: Not included.

• Promise: "No one will be worse off." AHCA: Lots of people get screwed, particularly those who lose Medicaid, anyone who hits lifetime limits (which were eliminated under the ACA, and are back with the AHCA), anyone who's in a high-risk pool, elderly poor people (who will get whacked with high premiums and low subsidies)....

Maybe Trump doesn't care about breaking a raft of promises, but there's a chance that the people who voted for him will.


He's not the one creating the bill or failing to pass it...it's not his fault.
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Yeah... NO.

Trump is the President; he is partly responsible for guiding the legislation; he is certainly supposed to know what he's signing. If he signs it, and it screws up the health care system? He's responsible.
 
Visbek said:
Not so much.

Trump made all sorts of wild promises about "his" health care reform, which won't happen if it's passed in anything resembling its current form.

• Promise: Pre-existing conditions covered. AHCA: Essentially no protections for pre-existing conditions; e.g. chronic conditions could mean you're only eligible for high-risk pools, which may cost you $25,000 per year

• Promise: No cuts to Medicaid. AHCA: Cuts $880 million from Medicaid.

• Promise: More people covered. AHCA: Aside from Medicaid cuts (which will kick millions off of coverage), millions more health people will drop insurance, only to go back on when the need it -- the proposed penalties are far too low to discourage freeloaders

• Promise: Allows interstate insurance sales. ACA: Allows interstate insurance sales, if the states want it. (Few did; no insurers offered it.) AHCA: Not included.

• Promise: "No one will be worse off." AHCA: Lots of people get screwed, particularly those who lose Medicaid, anyone who hits lifetime limits (which were eliminated under the ACA, and are back with the AHCA), anyone who's in a high-risk pool, elderly poor people (who will get whacked with high premiums and low subsidies)....

Maybe Trump doesn't care about breaking a raft of promises, but there's a chance that the people who voted for him will.



Yeah... NO.

Trump is the President; he is partly responsible for guiding the legislation; he is certainly supposed to know what he's signing. If he signs it, and it screws up the health care system? He's responsible.
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Those "wild promises" were made before he ran into the GOP Elites. Things changed for him...he's had to alter his tactics...since they mounted their opposition to him. Or...I should say...since they realized he was serious about draining the swamp.
 
Mycroft said:
Those "wild promises" were made before he ran into the GOP Elites. Things changed for him...he's had to alter his tactics...since they mounted their opposition to him. Or...I should say...since they realized he was serious about draining the swamp.
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Uh... no. He promised pre-existing coverage last week.

He also claimed that the way the AHCA would sock the elderly was "fixed." It wasn't.

The real issue is that Trump is completely out of his depth. He doesn't have even a basic grasp of policy; he doesn't understand legislation; he isn't strategic; he's barely tactical; he doesn't care about the effects of the legislation. All he cares about is PR.
 
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