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So about that money Obama took for a speech.....

JANFU said:
400 K for a speech seems to be the going rate- donated 2 M for a jobs program
Next he does not need the money as he received 60 Mil for a book deal.
Lastly- He is a great speaker.
I recall watching this live and knew he was going places. Never thought as President in a few years
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Doesn't change the reality that he's just saving face here, after getting so much bad publicity for him receiving a payoff.
 
MrWonka said:
Obama announces $2M donation to Chicago summer jobs programs | TheHill

I see your $400,000 from Wall Street and raise you $2 million to create jobs in Chicago.

Just like most of the money that the Clinton's made on their speeches a huge chunk of it is going right back out the door to positive charities that attempt to do a lot of good in the world. If you have a problem with either Obama or Clinton for this then the real problem is with you.
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It's easy to do that when you get a $60 million book deal
 
MrWonka said:
Obama announces $2M donation to Chicago summer jobs programs | TheHill

I see your $400,000 from Wall Street and raise you $2 million to create jobs in Chicago.

Just like most of the money that the Clinton's made on their speeches a huge chunk of it is going right back out the door to positive charities that attempt to do a lot of good in the world. If you have a problem with either Obama or Clinton for this then the real problem is with you.
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Obama is most likely a pretty decent guy. He should be applauded for his charitable work.

But his charitable work doesn't take away from he was a terrible president that continually overstepped his authority and did great harm to this country for generations with his administrations policies and practices.


A lot like Jimmy Carter. Crap president but a good guy
 
Fishking said:
Doesn't change the reality that he's just saving face here, after getting so much bad publicity for him receiving a payoff.
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That's a different world. I wonder how someone's perspective could become so distorted, twisted even.

He got paid for a speech, much less than plenty of garbage music acts are paid for a concert. And it's not the first time he's given to charity.
 
holbritter said:
Has nothing to do with this thread troll
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It has everything to do with it. You and all other Trump supporters voted for an objectively bad human being, and now you all need to project Trump's awfulness onto everybody else. So what I see here is less the need on your part to dismiss Obama's goodness and more the need to believe that everybody is bad. That's literally the only way one could sleep easy at night in the knowledge that you voted for and stand by Trump.

Obama did an objectively good and charitable thing, and the thought that a good man exists drives Trump supporters nuts because they need to believe the world is a bad place.
 
Fishking said:
Looks like Obama is trying to save face.
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Where do I get a crystal ball like you have? You obviously have some form of talents where you can see into the future or look into peoples souls. Did you get it from Ebay or Amazon? We are just dying to know.......LMAO

If Obama is indeed saving face, it is just one more sign of his mental superiority over that idiot in the WH that you support. Trump hasn't even figured out how to stop digging when he puts himself in a hole.
 
Chillfolks said:
Obama is most likely a pretty decent guy. He should be applauded for his charitable work.

But his charitable work doesn't take away from he was a terrible president that continually overstepped his authority and did great harm to this country for generations with his administrations policies and practices.


A lot like Jimmy Carter. Crap president but a good guy
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As compared to Trump who is both a ****ty president and a ****ty person to boot.
 
Cardinal said:
It has everything to do with it. You and all other Trump supporters voted for an objectively bad human being, and now you all need to project Trump's awfulness onto everybody else. So what I see here is less the need on your part to dismiss Obama's goodness and more the need to believe that everybody is bad. That's literally the only way one could sleep easy at night in the knowledge that you voted for and stand by Trump.

Obama did an objectively good and charitable thing, and the thought that a good man exists drives Trump supporters nuts because they need to believe the world is a bad place.
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These Trump folks tickle me ****less. They chastise a guy who donates to charity and defend a guy who wont release his tax returns. Talk about being clueless. Many present and former dictators would have loved to have had them around.
 
Vetplus40 said:
As compared to Trump who is both a ****ty president and a ****ty person to boot.
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Ok Trump is a douche as a person and a bad president I agree. That's one reason I didn't vote for him.

Still think Obama was a horrible president and still think he should be applauded for his charitable work.
 
Top Cat said:
And listed below is all of Trump's charitable donations.

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So now you have to use Trump as a metric to make Obama look good? Lol...Oh kay...I know I wouldn't want be in that type of comparison.
 
Mr Person said:
Or maybe he's just a decent guy. That ever cross your mind?

Anywho, I hope you aren't a subject of my post immediately prior.....
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Nope, I think he's simply saving face. He got called out by Bernie as well and it was obviously a payoff and it looked really bad.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Where do I get a crystal ball like you have? You obviously have some form of talents where you can see into the future or look into peoples souls. Did you get it from Ebay or Amazon? We are just dying to know.......LMAO

If Obama is indeed saving face, it is just one more sign of his mental superiority over that idiot in the WH that you support. Trump hasn't even figured out how to stop digging when he puts himself in a hole.
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I'm glad to see you finally realize that Obama can be put on the same field for comparison as someone so flawed in character as Trump is. That's a start.
 
That's rich. Republicans measuring Obama/Clinton on just "how much their charity work really does", as compared to the Republicans in office who lower taxes on the wealthy by what tens or hundreds of billions? You guys sure know how to keep your eye on the ball. And by you guys, I mean the ultra-rich, not their brainwashed supporters. You supporters get the shaft. But keeping blaming that on immigrants and sensitivity training, if you wish hard enough your dreams really will come true Dorothy.
 
Fishking said:
I'm glad to see you finally realize that Obama can be put on the same field for comparison as someone so flawed in character as Trump is. That's a start.
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Thank you for demonstrating my point, which is that Trump supporters want to make the case that everybody is as bad as Trump, and that the only difference between Trump and everybody else is that at least he isn't subtle about his awfulness.

But you were wrong, and you elected a bad human being to the White House and caused inestimable damage to the country because of your incredibly awful judgment.

But the ex-President of the United States, whom you needed to believe was bad, was actually good, and you have to go into pure denial mode to believe the false equivalence you project onto the nation 24/7 in order to sleep with your crappy, crappy decision from November 9.

Good one.
 
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rocket88 said:
Also has nothing to do with conservatives being upset over Obama getting paid. It's a free market, if someone wants to pay him $400,00 for a speech, that's a market transaction.
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And I agree with that. Funny how a thread that didn't have anything to do with Trump, then he's brought up, you guys have a fit. Glass houses and all that.
 
Cardinal said:
It has everything to do with it. You and all other Trump supporters voted for an objectively bad human being, and now you all need to project Trump's awfulness onto everybody else. So what I see here is less the need on your part to dismiss Obama's goodness and more the need to believe that everybody is bad. That's literally the only way one could sleep easy at night in the knowledge that you voted for and stand by Trump.

Obama did an objectively good and charitable thing, and the thought that a good man exists drives Trump supporters nuts because they need to believe the world is a bad place.
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The thread was merrily going along as Obama and Clinton comparison, when along comes someone who throws a one liner about Trump into it. So no, it didn't have anything to do with it. You really have a reading comprehension problem. I've told you I didn't vote for Trump, but you continue to lie. So anything you now say is suspect.

For the record, and as I already said, I don't have any problem with Obama making speeches. He's a great speaker and a private citizen. What he does is now his own business.
 
Perotista said:
Okay, good. But Hillary received 1.8 million from Goldman Sachs for three speeches. Did she give that 1.8 million to her foundation or other charity or did she pocket it? Pocket some and give some or what?

From what I understand and I could be wrong, she didn't donate that Goldman Sachs money.
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I doubt there is any specific way to determine whether she specifically took money from that source and donated it, but you are a great fool if you do not think the Clinton's donate enormous amounts of their own money to their own foundation. Those who hate Hillary just hate Hillary, and are making up their reasons to justify it. Your hatred of her is so ridiculous that when someone you actually like does the same thing you criticized her for you can't admit to yourself that it was the criticism that was stupid not her.
 
holbritter said:
So you are saying she gave all her speech money to the Foundation?
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Do you seriously not think that the Clinton's donate a huge chunk of change to their own foundation with regularity?
 
DA60 said:
What? So 75% of ALL the children in the entire world who have HIV/AIDS receives AIDS medication from the Clinton Foundation?

And I am not buying that for a millisecond. Unless they end up giving one penny or a nickel to each child...which is almost nothing but a nice gesture.

You are going to have to provide a link to back that one up.
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Why bother? Do you actually expect me to believe that you'll trust any source that disagree with your preconceived hatred of her?

Clinton: Clinton Foundation helped 9 million with lower-cost AIDS drugs | PolitiFact Global News Service

What Bill and Hillary Clinton'''s Controversial Foundation Actually Does | Fortune.com

fortune said:
The most recent Clinton Foundation rating from another watchdog group, CharityWatch, gives the organization a solid "A." The group says that the foundation spent 88% of its 2014 outlays directly on programs (rather than overhead) and that it only has to spend $2 to raise $100.
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MrWonka said:
Do you seriously not think that the Clinton's donate a huge chunk of change to their own foundation with regularity?
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I wouldn't know. But no, I don't think so.
 
MrWonka said:
I doubt there is any specific way to determine whether she specifically took money from that source and donated it, but you are a great fool if you do not think the Clinton's donate enormous amounts of their own money to their own foundation. Those who hate Hillary just hate Hillary, and are making up their reasons to justify it. Your hatred of her is so ridiculous that when someone you actually like does the same thing you criticized her for you can't admit to yourself that it was the criticism that was stupid not her.
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I don't hate Hillary, I didn't hate Trump, but I firmly believe that neither one belonged within a million miles of the Oval office. I happy as a lark Hillary lost, I hate it that Trump won. I really dislike both major political parties as they both owe their heart and souls to corporations, Wall Street Firms, lobbyist, special interests, big, mega, huge money donors. Neither will bite the hand that feeds them.

Hillary Clinton made millions giving speeches to Wall Street firms which included $600,000 a pop from Goldman Sachs. Obama is about to get $400,000. Bill Clinton also made millions giving speeches. I never cared for Bush II, but he retired to Texas and as far as I know never gave a speech for money. Neither did his father, Bush I. Reagan also didn't. I use the caveat "That I know of or heard of."

Do you see a pattern here? Given above, which party or former presidents are in the hip pockets of Wall Street although their rhetoric is completely opposite? I see huge winks and nudges there, the old I am going to talk bad about you, but I'll make sure you're taken care of. Keep that money coming in to our campaign coffers.

I would have gladly supported and worked for Jim Webb or John Kasich. I like Joe Biden and Marco Rubio. Those four I think would have made this country better, would have left this country in better shape once they left office then when they first entered it. In my opinion, the election of last year was a lose, lose election as either Trump or Clinton was sure to leave this country in far worst shape once they left office than when they first entered.

Way too many people look through the prisms of R vs. D. If you are an R, the D is evil. If you are a D, the R is evil. The way I see it, each is interested only in the good of their party and not the country, loyalty to party and not the nation. My rant is over, I wish Hillary Clinton well and lives the good life as a grandmother. I also hope her political days are finally over.
 
Perotista said:
Do you see a pattern here? Given above, which party or former presidents are in the hip pockets of Wall Street although their rhetoric is completely opposite?
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You realize that the Bushes were oil Tycoons right? They were all insanely wealthy long before they took office. They don't give speeches for $400,000 because they spit $400,000. They lose that money in their couch cushions on a weekend.

Let me ask you something.... where do you work?


Perotista said:
Way too many people look through the prisms of R vs. D. If you are an R, the D is evil. If you are a D, the R is evil. The way I see it, each is interested only in the good of their party and not the country, loyalty to party and not the nation.
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Or maybe they just believe that their political party is the only party that has the right set of ideas to fix the country.

During the 1990's when Bill Clinton was in office we had one of the single most prosperous times in all of American history. He raised taxes on the wealthy. We actually ran a surplus for a change. That was followed by 8 horrible years of Republican leadership. Resulting in multiple protracted wars that created more terrorists than they killed, massive tax cuts for the wealthy, a return to massive deficits, and the single greatest economic disaster of the past half century. Follow that up with 8 years of Democratic leadership which saw the Economy return to being one of the most dominate in the world. Tax hikes for millionaires and billionaires, subsidized health insurance for the poor, and a radical reduction in our deficits, by the end of Obama's term.

Do you seriously think that's all just one big coincidence? Jesus ****ing christ man. Anybody who seriously things the two parties are even remotely similar is ****ing delusional. There is only one viable political party that gives a flying **** about the American people and it is clearly the Democrats. Go ahead sit on the side lines and pretend your smart for not picking a side, but when our new fascist leader destroys the country again don't come crying to me with bull**** about paid speeches.
 
MrWonka said:
You realize that the Bushes were oil Tycoons right? They were all insanely wealthy long before they took office. They don't give speeches for $400,000 because they spit $400,000. They lose that money in their couch cushions on a weekend.

Let me ask you something.... where do you work?



Or maybe they just believe that their political party is the only party that has the right set of ideas to fix the country.

During the 1990's when Bill Clinton was in office we had one of the single most prosperous times in all of American history. He raised taxes on the wealthy. We actually ran a surplus for a change. That was followed by 8 horrible years of Republican leadership. Resulting in multiple protracted wars that created more terrorists than they killed, massive tax cuts for the wealthy, a return to massive deficits, and the single greatest economic disaster of the past half century. Follow that up with 8 years of Democratic leadership which saw the Economy return to being one of the most dominate in the world. Tax hikes for millionaires and billionaires, subsidized health insurance for the poor, and a radical reduction in our deficits, by the end of Obama's term.

Do you seriously think that's all just one big coincidence? Jesus ****ing christ man. Anybody who seriously things the two parties are even remotely similar is ****ing delusional. There is only one viable political party that gives a flying **** about the American people and it is clearly the Democrats. Go ahead sit on the side lines and pretend your smart for not picking a side, but when our new fascist leader destroys the country again don't come crying to me with bull**** about paid speeches.
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I grew up under Eisenhower which were good times. Good times were also under Bill Clinton and the last six years of Reagan. Terrible under Jimmy Carter. Bill Clinton was a good president, with that I agree. Probably third or fourth in my list of top presidents in my lifetime. Eisenhower first, JFK second.

I base my vote on whom I think is the best candidate for president or whatever elected office is on the ballot. Political parties mean nothing to me in deciding that vote. Political parties, the major ones are nothing more than tools of the moneyed elite who give them their cash or as some would call it, investments in them so they will get a bigger return on that investment.

What we have as someone put it and I agree. Is that we have but one political party here in the good old USA. But that political party has two wings, a Democratic wing and a Republican wing. Oh, the rhetoric is polar opposite, but governing is always close to the same. In the end those faceless moneyed folks who give or donate their millions, tens of millions or more get their return on their investments or donations. Neither party will bite the hand that feeds it.
 
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