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Something about Chicago you'll never see on Fox-n-Friends or any other MSM

jimbo said:
I remember those schools. I wasn't sure they still existed, but if so they have been around for a while. I assume they do better than the schools the kids came from by choice. I suspect the choice portion matters more than the separation.

IMO the education system should educate and stay away from social experimentation.
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Reading, Writing, Arithmetic ... and Football, Basketball and Hot-Cheerleaders :mrgreen:
 
Cigar said:
100 PERCENT OF URBAN PREP SENIORS ADMITTED TO COLLEGE - For The 8th Consecutive Year

Students at Urban Prep are making Chicago proud. For the eighth consecutive year 100 percent of the school's seniors have been admitted to college.

But as the students celebrate their accomplishments, they also honor a fellow classmate who was not with them today.

It took a village to get the young men to this point, from their parents to their teachers. And there were definitely challenges along the way.

On Thursday, they proved not only to themselves, but also their community, that dreams do come true.


100 percent of Urban Prep seniors admitted to college for 8th consecutive year | abc7chicago.com


Those are "excellent" results regardless of what corner of the Country you live in.

Congratulations ... yet again.
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People spew Chicago. Never mention its 7 th? In violent crime?
Memphis other confederate cities above it?
 
YorkshirePete said:
People spew Chicago. Never mention its 7 th? In violent crime?
Memphis other confederate cities above it?
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;) Because us an I know it has nothing to do with the City and more to do with an agenda and a belief.

But that's ok, their agendas and beliefs are their baggage, not my problem.
 
Cigar said:
Reading, Writing, Arithmetic ... and Football, Basketball and Hot-Cheerleaders :mrgreen:
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Can't say I disagree. Except for the hot cheerleaders. Always did like them.

Seriously, extracurricular activities are a part of education. Football, basketball, or the debate or chess club. None are exactly bad. Any are bad when the tail begins to wag the dog.

Unrelated, but curious, how did your niece feel about the all girls charter school experience?
 
blackjack50 said:
Why wouldn't we see something about a well funded charter school kicking the crap out of public education in Chicago? I think this confirms the conservative view on public education...it doesn't tear it down.


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Would you be willing to say a few bad charter schools don't paint all charter schools bad? ;)
 
jimbo said:
Can't say I disagree. Except for the hot cheerleaders. Always did like them.

Seriously, extracurricular activities are a part of education. Football, basketball, or the debate or chess club. None are exactly bad. Any are bad when the tail begins to wag the dog.

Unrelated, but curious, how did your niece feel about the all girls charter school experience?
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The lack of the Arts and Structured Sports is why this country has a bunch mama's boys who can only exercise their thumbs from Video Games.

All the real Bad-Ass's need Guns as a Exercise in Manhood.
 
Cigar said:
The lack of the Arts and Structured Sports is why this country has a bunch mama's boys who can only exercise their thumbs from Video Games.

All the real Bad-Ass's need Guns as a Exercise in Manhood.
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Yeah it's solely the lack of Arts, & sports in the schools.

The nearly nonexistent traditional family structure, & straight up invisible positive male role models within that structure surely hasn't a thing to do with them thar Console_Commandos.
 
Hymie_VunderBud said:
Yeah it's solely the lack of Arts, & sports in the schools.

The nearly nonexistent traditional family structure, & straight up invisible positive male role models within that structure surely hasn't a thing to do with them thar Console_Commandos.
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I've seen plenty of homes with plenty of family structure with the same couch potato's mindlessly staring at the idiot tube or walking around like zombies texting on phones.
 
Cigar said:
I've seen plenty of homes with plenty of family structure with the same couch potato's mindlessly staring at the idiot tube or walking around like zombies texting on phones.
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I agree. The comment I quoted, left the taste of an all encompassing reason on my eyes is all.

Sure, lack of Arts & Sports programs may Play a role, but it all starts at home.

Self-motivation & decipline to do anything but fiddle with tech. Gadgets is something instilled by the family structure....and missing.

Then again, with everyone else in the family online at the same time, the only actual physical Activity anyone's getting, is getting up to try to get someone else offline!
 
Cigar said:
The lack of the Arts and Structured Sports is why this country has a bunch mama's boys who can only exercise their thumbs from Video Games.

All the real Bad-Ass's need Guns as a Exercise in Manhood.
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To your first, I agree.

To the second not so much. The strongest biggest person I know was a division 1 scholarship basketball player. He's also a CC carrier with over 40 guns. His dad is also a carrier, though not a collector. Generally it's the little guy who hates guns,
 
Hymie_VunderBud said:
I agree. The comment I quoted, left the taste of an all encompassing reason on my eyes is all.

Sure, lack of Arts & Sports programs may Play a role, but it all starts at home.

Self-motivation & decipline to do anything but fiddle with tech. Gadgets is something instilled by the family structure....and missing.

Then again, with everyone else in the family online at the same time, the only actual physical Activity anyone's getting, is getting up to try to get someone else offline!
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We don't have Kids, but we have plenty of Nieces and Nephews.

They are forced to do different thing and experience new things and surround themselves with real people who are in the real world.

If Fox News was their only news source they would think that there's Shooting going one everywhere in Chicago, Only Black People are doing the Shooting and the entire place is a Ghetto. In other words, they would do through life ignorant, stupid and racist.

Thankfully they're not hiding under their beds all day :lol:
 
jimbo said:
To your first, I agree.

To the second not so much. The strongest biggest person I know was a division 1 scholarship basketball player. He's also a CC carrier with over 40 guns. His dad is also a carrier, though not a collector. Generally it's the little guy who hates guns,
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I'm talking about the Gang Bangers who point Guns Sideways and think they can hit something.
 
Cigar said:
We don't have Kids, but we have plenty of Nieces and Nephews.

They are forced to do different thing and experience new things and surround themselves with real people who are in the real world.

If Fox News was their only news source they would think that there's Shooting going one everywhere in Chicago, Only Black People are doing the Shooting and the entire place is a Ghetto. In other words, they would do through life ignorant, stupid and racist.

Thankfully they're not hiding under their beds all day :lol:
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I guess I'm failing to see how this all follows back to it being solely a school programs issue.

I'm from Milwaukee, lived in Chicago for a long while, & still have relatives, & friends there.

There (in Milwaukee) are boys & girls clubs on every other corner in the urban areas, I know there are many, & other programs, in the Chicago area as well.

I'm still rolling the "Forced" word around a bit.... Seems Encouraged would fit better..... Then again, families usually encourage better than institutions....
 
Cigar said:
Would you be willing to say a few bad charter schools don't paint all charter schools bad? ;)
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I'm not against public education...if that is what you are hilariously trying to imply. I think our education system has some major flaws. Starting with how it is funded. How standards are applied. How teacher performance is evaluated. How teachers are paid. And so on.

Every school has its problems. Each is unique to that school. But also has similarities to others. There is no one size fits all chart.


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blackjack50 said:
I'm not against public education...if that is what you are hilariously trying to imply. I think our education system has some major flaws. Starting with how it is funded. How standards are applied. How teacher performance is evaluated. How teachers are paid. And so on.

Every school has its problems. Each is unique to that school. But also has similarities to others. There is no one size fits all chart.


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You'd be surprised at the number of Elected Politicians who are products of Public Education and Government-Backed College Education ;)

Why was it Good enough for them and why do they now feel the need to Cut those programs they benefited from?
 
Fishking said:
They need to bring educators in from the surrounding schools and see what they are doing and try and model it in their own schools.
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What they are doing is teaching them how to get accepted to college, not how to succeed once they get there. If you focus on one primary goal to the exclusion of most others, it's easy to achieve that goal, but only at the cost of the others. UP has put all thier focus on getting their students accepted, but they've left out preparing them for college. UP falls substantially short of the district and state averages for college readiness, meaning that UP is really good at getting students into college, but really bad at getting them ready to succeed in college. As a model to be emulated, they leave a lot to be desired.

https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/School.aspx?source=trends&Schoolid=15016299025010C

Look at UP's college readiness score - They are at 16%, their district averages 30% and the state averages 46%. This is not success, it's picking out one thing to make these young men feel good about themselves, but failing to take them beyond that feeling. The people running this school should be ashamed of themselves.

Now look at their PARCC numbers. They are grossly under-performing.

Next, look at their chronic truancy rates, they run about twice what the state runs.

Overall, this seems like more of a feel good effort than a real work to educate these young men and prepare them for a future.
 
Cigar said:
You'd be surprised at the number of Elected Politicians who are products of Public Education and Government-Backed College Education ;)

Why was it Good enough for them and why do they now feel the need to Cut those programs they benefited from?
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Sigh. While I don't have the entire day to explain how public education works...and I certainly don't know if you would benefit from taking classes on education like I did (history of education, educational psychology, and so on)...I can go over the one major flaw in your argument as you REALLY don't seem to have a grasp on it.

Our education system is primarily funded through PROPERTY TAX at the local level. Now follow me on this, because I know this is a REALLY ****ing hard concept to follow...but if you come from a rich family (or semi wealthy)...and you have the fortune to live in the area with the higher bracket for property tax...your public school...is going to much better funded than the poor property tax funded school.

So those "elite politicians" who went to public schools that you seem to think are so great...benefited from the fact that their family was wealthy enough to live in a school funded by higher property tax. They didn't go to the poor school in their district (rarely anyway). They had a good family. And they could afford college (government backed doesn't mean free). So I have no clue what point you THINK you are making...but if you are trying to prove that our education system is working out great? You really aren't making that point.

You also don't seem to grasp how funding works. Because it isn't just "mo money" that will fix the issue. It is the issue of where that money gets spent. Be it better teachers or better books or programs. Doesn't matter.


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Cigar said:
Well its always better to have options ...


Barack and Michelle Obama donate $2 million to summer jobs programs in Chicago

Former President Barack Obama hosted a community event at the Obama Presidential Center in Chicago on Wednesday -- and made some big announcements about the future plans for his center's campus.

The 44th president announced he and his wife, Michelle Obama, will be donating $2 million to summer jobs programs in Chicago.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...illion-summer-jobs-programs-chicago/22067779/
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Being a paid protester is not a job.
 
faithful_servant said:
So Urban Prep is boys only school where uniforms are required and is overwhelmingly (99.1%) black. I couldn't find anything about how the school is funded, but based on the parts of the website where they are looking for donations, I'd say that it's largely private. There's also the small issue of this:

https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/School.aspx?source=trends&Schoolid=15016299025010C
A 16% college readiness rate is NOT good, which leads me to ask why these students are getting accepted, when most of them aren't ready for college. Looking further into their "report card", there's a LOT of holes at UP. In most categories, UP falls short of state and district averages, no Phys Ed. classes, high truancy rates, etc. They are well funded and have a pretty good teacher to student ratio, but the results are confusing given that they underperform academically and have a 100% admission rate (a number which some people have questioned). Lots of questions that should be answered before cheering too loudly...
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If you apply to a Community College, Trade College, or a for profit institution, it's still considered "college". Be that as it may, getting into college is only the first step anyway. Getting through it all is the hard part. Many students don't make it because it's either too academically rigourous or they just get burnout.
 
reinoe said:
If you apply to a Community College, Trade College, or a for profit institution, it's still considered "college". Be that as it may, getting into college is only the first step anyway. Getting through it all is the hard part. Many students don't make it because it's either too academically rigourous or they just get burnout.
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... or because they weren't ready for it (which is what the low college readiness score shows). I think that UP has some really good things going for it, but getting these young men ready to succeed in the colleges they are being accepted into is not one them. UP is basically setting up these young men for failure by getting them into colleges that they aren't ready to succeed in. That's wrong. It does a gross disservice to these young men and is either REALLY misguided or is designed to make the people running the school feel good about themselves at the expense of these young men's future. Sending them to a college that they aren't ready for is NOT a good thing, especially when this school seems to have all the pieces in place to help them succeed beyond getting accepted into college.
 
faithful_servant said:
... or because they weren't ready for it (which is what the low college readiness score shows). I think that UP has some really good things going for it, but getting these young men ready to succeed in the colleges they are being accepted into is not one them. UP is basically setting up these young men for failure by getting them into colleges that they aren't ready to succeed in. That's wrong. It does a gross disservice to these young men and is either REALLY misguided or is designed to make the people running the school feel good about themselves at the expense of these young men's future. Sending them to a college that they aren't ready for is NOT a good thing, especially when this school seems to have all the pieces in place to help them succeed beyond getting accepted into college.
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Reading the articles it looks like the UP graduates are reaching beyond their grasp...

Northwesterns, Georgetown, Dartmoth: These are schools known for being academically rigorous. It sounds like the UP students are being encouraged to "reach" when they may be better suited attending State University and then applying to the honors college that most universities have if they're doing well enough. I say this because that's the exact decision I made. Private School tuition is very expensive and if you stop attending the costs add up very quickly. I was accepted into University Of Southern California but I knew I was a lazy butt who wasn't used to being academically rigorous. I went to the local state school instead and immediately stopped attending for reasons not going into here.

UP sounds like it just pumps up these kids so much and while it's great to believe you can do anything there has to be some sort of realistic expectation. If a student gets a 950 SAT, has a 3.4 GPA, and has a relatively "light" course history: that student's counselors should have the good sense not to tell them to go to attend a school beyond their capability.
 
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