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Police Shootings and Media Stupidity

The Media love to sensationalize it when a black man is killed by the police.

The outcry is usually pretty much the same when these tragedies happen.

Yet it should NOT be the same. Every shooting is different and must be treated as unique.

For those who know the law and are familiar with police procedures, it's easy to see that most, if not all, of the shootings of the past couple of years have ended with the CORRECT outcome.

Yet the Media lump them all together and, if anything, push the notion that the police are at fault.

Because that's where the money is........demonizing police is how you keep the ratings high.

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Ever situation involving competing interests have different interests. When you say the "CORRECT outcome" the question that begs to be answered is correct for whom? For the police? For the establishment? For the victim? For the citizens?

The fact is that the law enforcement community does not really represent the interests of the citizens. They claim to, but their real constituency is the establishment. The establishment is the alliance of the government and the oligarchs who own and control them.

The divide is really not between the criminals and the non criminals, it is between the rich and the poor just as it always has been.
The job of the police is to maintain an environment in which the rich can exploit the poor, and in return they are allowed to have special privilege like beating and killing whomever they choose without fear of prosecution.
 
Ever situation involving competing interests have different interests. When you say the "CORRECT outcome" the question that begs to be answered is correct for whom? For the police? For the establishment? For the victim? For the citizens?

The fact is that the law enforcement community does not really represent the interests of the citizens. They claim to, but their real constituency is the establishment. The establishment is the alliance of the government and the oligarchs who own and control them.

The divide is really not between the criminals and the non criminals, it is between the rich and the poor just as it always has been.
The job of the police is to maintain an environment in which the rich can exploit the poor, and in return they are allowed to have special privilege like beating and killing whomever they choose without fear of prosecution.

You have a strange mixture of truth and fantasy here.

"Correct" simply means justice was served. A just decision was rendered.

You say law enforcement does not represent the interests of the citizens. Depends on the citizens. If they're criminals or criminal sympathizers like BlackLivesMatter, then law enforcement certainly doesn't represent their interests.

If it comes to me (a citizen) law enforcement certainly DOES represent my interests.

Your statement that police have "special privilege like beating and killing whomever they choose without fear of prosecution" is clearly ludicrous.

Police are often prosecuted, fired, punished and even sometimes sent to prison for beating and killing in the line of duty that was adjudged excessive and unwarranted.

You are correct that there is, as always, a divide between rich and poor......but that's an easy one.......taking it farther and portraying police as being above the law due to their agreement with the rich is fantasy.

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The sad reality is that there are so many guns around, our cities remain violent, so cops are understandably scared. Any traffic stop can prove fatal. Yet on the other hand, black parents still give their sons "the talk," the reminder that they are viewed as dangerous.p, which still must break hearts to tell your kid he is less human. I am a swarthy-ish white guy. Mistaken for a Puerto Rican, three plain clothes cops trained guns on me and cursed at me. They never identified themselves. I almost ran.

In a previous job I used to visit prisons. Lot of white guys there. Also a lot of white guys on death row, so it's is established that white people break the law. Have to assume it happens sometimes, but I don't recall reports of unarmed white gusy shot in the back by police.
 
The sad reality is that there are so many guns around, our cities remain violent, so cops are understandably scared. Any traffic stop can prove fatal. Yet on the other hand, black parents still give their sons "the talk," the reminder that they are viewed as dangerous.p, which still must break hearts to tell your kid he is less human. I am a swarthy-ish white guy. Mistaken for a Puerto Rican, three plain clothes cops trained guns on me and cursed at me. They never identified themselves. I almost ran.

In a previous job I used to visit prisons. Lot of white guys there. Also a lot of white guys on death row, so it's is established that white people break the law. Have to assume it happens sometimes, but I don't recall reports of unarmed white gusy shot in the back by police.

Bad luck being swarthy-ish. Young black men (at about 6% of the general population) kill about 43% of the cops killed. (FBI Statistics.)

No wonder cops are cautious and quick to shoot. They're dealing with the deadliest demographic in existence.

Yes, white guys do get shot by police, but police aren't as concerned with whites for the reason above.

Which is entirely logical and understandable.

Oh......and, don't blame guns. We had plenty of guns around in the 60s, 70s and 80s and the killing was nothing like it is today. Things have changed. Inner city violence has gone nuts.

Place the blame where it belongs.......on violent, vicious, psychopathic and hopeless people who choose to do crime and have no moral or ethical foundation.

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Bad luck being swarthy-ish. Young black men (at about 6% of the general population) kill about 43% of the cops killed. (FBI Statistics.)

No wonder cops are cautious and quick to shoot. They're dealing with the deadliest demographic in existence.

Yes, white guys do get shot by police, but police aren't as concerned with whites for the reason above.

Which is entirely logical and understandable.

Oh......and, don't blame guns. We had plenty of guns around in the 60s, 70s and 80s and the killing was nothing like it is today. Things have changed. Inner city violence has gone nuts.

Place the blame where it belongs.......on violent, vicious, psychopathic and hopeless people who choose to do crime and have no moral or ethical foundation.

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For someone who hails from the "land of logic," you have Trump's ideas of crime rates. They are down. I tend to think that unarmed white guys get away from fleeing cops cause cops instinctively know that there is a bigger price to pay if they shoot. Give me the examples of unarmed white guys shot in the back. By your totals of police killings, half of these deaths should be white.
 
The Media love to sensationalize it when a black man is killed by the police.

The outcry is usually pretty much the same when these tragedies happen.

Yet it should NOT be the same. Every shooting is different and must be treated as unique.

For those who know the law and are familiar with police procedures, it's easy to see that most, if not all, of the shootings of the past couple of years have ended with the CORRECT outcome.

Yet the Media lump them all together and, if anything, push the notion that the police are at fault.

Because that's where the money is........demonizing police is how you keep the ratings high.

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Very Wise words...and of course you are 100% right. Now Imagine the Black guy as a white guy and Police as Muslims/black or brown...Would you advocate the same instance by instance with any media hype?

Diving Mullah
 
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I tend to think that unarmed white guys get away from fleeing cops cause cops instinctively know that there is a bigger price to pay if they shoot. Give me the examples of unarmed white guys shot in the back. By your totals of police killings, half of these deaths should be white.

Those are not MY totals, those are government statistics.....Young black men (at about 6% of the general population) kill about 43% of the cops killed.

What deaths are you talking about?

White guys aren't being shot (as often) because they're not trying to kill cops.

Black guys are being shot because they're trying to kill cops (as those government statistics clearly show).

Trying to kill a cop will get you shot.

This is the way of the world........anywhere in the world.

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The Media love to sensationalize it when a black man is killed by the police.

The outcry is usually pretty much the same when these tragedies happen.

Yet it should NOT be the same. Every shooting is different and must be treated as unique.

For those who know the law and are familiar with police procedures, it's easy to see that most, if not all, of the shootings of the past couple of years have ended with the CORRECT outcome.

Yet the Media lump them all together and, if anything, push the notion that the police are at fault.

Because that's where the money is........demonizing police is how you keep the ratings high.

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Man bites dog. Don't trust the media to give you an accurate picture of what is actually happening.


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Very Wise words...and of course you are 100% right. Now Imagine the Black guy as a white guy and Police as Muslims/black or brown...Would you advocate the same instance by instance with any media hype?
Diving Mullah

You're asking that I imagine white guys acting like black guys?

That's a stretch.

White guys can't dunk and they can't dance......I don't imagine they'd be able to kill cops with any degree of proficiency either.

And you want me to imagine Muslim police? How would that work?

Would they arrest women for driving cars?

Whole new traffic laws?

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Those are not MY totals, those are government statistics.....Young black men (at about 6% of the general population) kill about 43% of the cops killed.

What deaths are you talking about?

White guys aren't being shot (as often) because they're not trying to kill cops.

Black guys are being shot because they're trying to kill cops (as those government statistics clearly show).

Trying to kill a cop will get you shot.

This is the way of the world........anywhere in the world.

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Only 43%... Doesn't that suggest that at least 50% of cops are liked by non blacks? I still don't see dead white guys. The cause seems to be that ours if a violent society with a lot of weapons still affected by racism and the legacy of segregation. Doesn't mean we shouldn't support our police... It does mean we should be thankful for cameras everywhere, and prosecute when necessary and appropriate.
 
Only 43%...

ONLY........ONLY??? 43%????

FORTY-THREE PERCENT SHOT BY SIX PERCENT?????????????

DON'T YOU GET HOW OUT OF PROPORTION THAT IS????????

Please......think about it.

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ONLY........ONLY??? 43%????

FORTY-THREE PERCENT SHOT BY SIX PERCENT?????????????

DON'T YOU GET HOW OUT OF PROPORTION THAT IS????????

Please......think about it.

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Of course it's out of proportion. What's your point? Our history shows that crime has been greater in certain neighborhoods by certain groups, who have historically shared the same problems. "If it weren't for the Irish and Germans," wrote a newspaper in the 1800s, police would have nothing to do. Hundred years ago it was Italians and Jews in gangs.
 
Of course it's out of proportion. What's your point?

That's easy to see.

It's GROSSLY out of proportion for six percent of the population to be killing 43 percent of the police officers who are killed.

Taking strong action against that six percent could save a lot of lives.

Instead, the Media and the BlackLivesMatter and their friends the Liberals give that six percent sympathy and treat them like they're the victims.

Tail is wagging the dog. Things need to change.

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You have a strange mixture of truth and fantasy here.

"Correct" simply means justice was served. A just decision was rendered.

You say law enforcement does not represent the interests of the citizens. Depends on the citizens. If they're criminals or criminal sympathizers like BlackLivesMatter, then law enforcement certainly doesn't represent their interests.

If it comes to me (a citizen) law enforcement certainly DOES represent my interests.

Your statement that police have "special privilege like beating and killing whomever they choose without fear of prosecution" is clearly ludicrous.

Police are often prosecuted, fired, punished and even sometimes sent to prison for beating and killing in the line of duty that was adjudged excessive and unwarranted.

You are correct that there is, as always, a divide between rich and poor......but that's an easy one.......taking it farther and portraying police as being above the law due to their agreement with the rich is fantasy.

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You are delusional if you think the police give a rats ass about your interests, or are concerned with justice in any way shape or form.
In addition when ever the police are prosecuted for a crime it is an anomaly in which occasionally a cop is sacrificed by the system in order to attempt to deceive the sheeple that the system works sometimes....

The police take an oath to uphold the Constitution and then each and every one of them wipe their asses with the sacred document and proceed to sell their souls to the establishment for privilege, and money.

The majority of law enforcement are clinical psychopaths who are addicted to violence, and their own egos.

As a group, they have one of the highest occurrence's of alcoholism, drug addiction including steroids, domestic violence, depression, and suicide.

Hell, they cannot even stand themselves for the scourge on society they have become.
 
I wonder how you came to have this irrational and astounding hatred of the police.

Without them to protect you the criminals would be having you for lunch.......with great pleasure.

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It's always Sensational when an Un-Armed Human Being is shot Multiple Times ... Always.

It's The Principle reason why every time I leave home, I'm Armed.

In my 50 years, I've never once worried about any encounter with a Thug, even though I've regularly gone in and out of Chicago worst Neighborhoods for most of my life. My Father was a Cop, and I have multiple friends and family who are trained Law Enforcement Processionals. The one thing my Family and friends all know, they will never have to worry about reading that I was an Un-Armed Victim.

you carried in Chicago before it was legal to do so?
 
you carried in Chicago before it was legal to do so?

... and as predicted, a Texas Police Officer is Fired and Charged with Murder with shooting in to a Car with his Shotgun, killing a 15 year old honor student.

... because he "feared" for his life. :roll:

Your Move. ;)
 
... and as predicted, a Texas Police Officer is Fired and Charged with Murder with shooting in to a Car with his Shotgun, killing a 15 year old honor student.

... because he "feared" for his life. :roll:

Your Move. ;)

what does that have to do with anything. even under the bannerrhoid wet dream society, cops would still be armed
 
That's easy to see.

It's GROSSLY out of proportion for six percent of the population to be killing 43 percent of the police officers who are killed.

Taking strong action against that six percent could save a lot of lives.

Instead, the Media and the BlackLivesMatter and their friends the Liberals give that six percent sympathy and treat them like they're the victims.

Tail is wagging the dog. Things need to change.

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You still haven't answered the question. Hard to find sympathy for cop killers, except for some hangers on in the Black Lives Matter movement. But that movement came about because of the perceived or real failure to prosecute white people, including white officers who abused blacks, in a way suggesting that black lives did matter. I can easily find examples of cops who have abused black people and were not punished, dating from the Rodney King incident. Can you find a example of a someone who was caught on tape abusing or killing a cop who wasn't prosecuted?
 
You still haven't answered the question. Hard to find sympathy for cop killers, except for some hangers on in the Black Lives Matter movement. But that movement came about because of the perceived or real failure to prosecute white people, including white officers who abused blacks, in a way suggesting that black lives did matter. I can easily find examples of cops who have abused black people and were not punished, dating from the Rodney King incident. Can you find a example of a someone who was caught on tape abusing or killing a cop who wasn't prosecuted?

It would be pretty awful if I could. Would not expect a cop-killer to go free.

Abused black people??? If they were abused it's because they were resisting arrest.

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Pit bulls have demonized themselves by their consistent bad behavior.

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Nope, that is due to idiots that make them that way, every pit I have met is a big teddy bear, There are no mean dogs, just people that make them that way, if one or the other needs to be put down it is the person that created the scared dog.
 
Nope, that is due to idiots that make them that way, every pit I have met is a big teddy bear, There are no mean dogs, just people that make them that way, if one or the other needs to be put down it is the person that created the scared dog.

That's ridiculous.

Read the pit bull thread for numerous incidents where supposedly nice family dogs of good owners suddenly snapped and attacked and maimed or killed a child.

Your rosy pit bull opinion differs from reality.

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It would be pretty awful if I could. Would not expect a cop-killer to go free.

Abused black people??? If they were abused it's because they were resisting arrest.

And you know this from what study? You are pretty naive. I was nearly shot by white cops when I thought of running away from them. My bad. Only problem was they were in plainclothes and didn't identify themselves as cops. I thought they were muggers. The world is not as simple as you describe it. Cops are human, subject to all the fears and prejudices that the rest of us have. That is why a statement like "if they were abused it's because they were resisting arrest," is naive... the certainty of that absurdity is dangerous to all of us. Judge each incident on its own.
 
That's ridiculous.

Read the pit bull thread for numerous incidents where supposedly nice family dogs of good owners suddenly snapped and attacked and maimed or killed a child.

Your rosy pit bull opinion differs from reality.

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Not an opinion, personal experience, in fact we have Pits across the street, a couple more a few homes down and I have known many people that had and still have them and none are vicious. The same used to be said about Dobermans and Rottweiler's and I know that to also be fiction since I grew up with both and have own several of each. Once again, dogs are not born vicious they have to be taught by an idiot to be mean, either through neglect or abuse. Heck the three Dobermans I grew up with were actual working guard dogs and none were vicious by nature, only their natural instinct to protect makes them dangerous when confronted by a threat. I have mixed breeds now, mainly German Sheps that are natural guard dogs also. Not one was vicious and in fact the ONLY dog we ever had that bite someone was my moms Pekinese which bite the mailman when he dropped some mail when handing it to my mom and he reached down to pick it up. Yes, large smart dogs do need good guidance due their power but that just means those that own them should be capable of controlling their pet. Those dogs that do show aggression without just cause are almost always dogs that have been abused and made into what they are, dogs only want to please their masters, it is the master that is the issue. Yes, I have heard the stories of dogs that have bitten family members and it is always the dog that ends up paying the price, but if one were to truly dig into the situation you almost always discover that the issue leads back to the owners of the dog. FYI, pits are not breed to be aggressive towards humans, they tend to love people and are not aggressive unless there is a threat to their property or pack/family, they were breed to be used in dog fighting, a horrible sport made for mans amusement. One of my best friends saved one from exactly such a life, he had been in several fights and when the owner was arrested on other charges she "stole" the dog and brought him home, he lived many years before eventually dying from old age and not once did he ever show the least bit of aggressive behavior except when someone tried breaking into her home one night and once they saw him, he was a Big Pit, the guy ran for his life. The first time I met him he darn near drown me with kisses, he knew right off the bat that I was his friend. No, contrary to the propaganda, no dogs are naturally vicious, to say so proves that they do not actually understand what dogs are about. True, owners should always be aware of leaving very small children with dogs without supervision unless they trust the dog especially, that is just common sense, and by that I mean Any dog. When I was small we had Boxers, another big scary looking dog, they went with me everywhere I went and my parents felt fine with me alone with them, as Boxers are the Best dog one can have with children, Period, they are protective and yet are the ultimate in patience when it comes to small children, seen kids climb all over them and the dogs just let them have their way or get up and find someplace else to lay down, but a stranger better never threaten that child, a Boxer uses it front paws and will hop on you like a big grasshopper with teeth. Anyway, I have no issue with people not wanting a large dog, if they cannot handle them then they probably should not have one, heck they probably should not have an dog for that matter, just do not think you have the right to tell others that they cannot have them if they are no threat to others around them. And I said already, the problem is not the Dog or the breed, it is the People that own them.
 
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