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Democrats Lose Due To The Economy

Praxas said:
Keep telling yourself that. The fact is Republicans don't know how to govern, that is for sure. Its a mess in congress and the White House now with the clowns in charge.
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I don't have to tell myself anything.

I only need grin at the election results map turning more and more red...


... and laugh.

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Praxas said:
The economy did play a part for some voters and it's a case of "the grass looks greener on the other side". When Trump fails to deliver on his promises and the economy keeps going at a slow rate they will realize their mistake. You complain about tax and spend, but seem to favor tax cuts and spending instead. How did that go for Bush and how did that economy go on his way out? Oh yeah it took a Dem to clean up the mistakes of a Republican and now we'll be right back in the same **** hole or worse when Trump leaves office. Yeah, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for not giving a **** about other people.
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You mean if the economy grows at Obama's rates?
 
Kurmugeon said:
Without a majority of the Working White Vote, the Dems will never win another national election.


Live by the Race-Card, Die by the Race-Card.




The Democratic Party is now dead, dead, DEAD!

It just doesn't know it yet!


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I agree with you that unless regain their former traction with the Working White Vote, hell the working people period, they'll be relegated to minor party status. They are well on their way to that already now.

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http://politistick.com/stunning-graph-shows-wrecking-ball-obama-taken-democrat-party/
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Are they dead? No, I'm not sure they are dead yet. They certainly need to listen and actually hear what the electorate is telling them, and the mood of the electorate, neither of which they seem to be doing now, and they also have to curb their careening to the left, as when working people hear all the free giveaway stuffs, they also hear their take home pay going down to pay for it all.
 
Moderate Right said:
What on Earth does that have to do with what I posted? Is the left going to learn anything from their loss or not?
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From your post: "One finding from the polling stands out: A shockingly large percentage of these Obama-Trump voters said Democrats’ economic policies will favor the wealthy — twice the percentage that said the same about Trump."

Try to keep up with your own posts.
 
lurchadams said:
From your post: "One finding from the polling stands out: A shockingly large percentage of these Obama-Trump voters said Democrats’ economic policies will favor the wealthy — twice the percentage that said the same about Trump."

Try to keep up with your own posts.
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And this is a good thing for your side?
 
Moderate Right said:
Will they listen to themselves or will they continue saying it was voter turnout, Comey, the Russians, gerrymandering, and the EC? Did I forget anything? It's so hard to keep track of the looney left.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-card-a:homepage/story&utm_term=.a2e47e15c2c0
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Interesting. The article or some portions of it remind me of my grand daughter. A Wall Street Problem. She's going to Kennesaw State and was a Sanders supporter. Once Hillary gained the nominate and the choice became Trump vs. Hillary, she decided to stay home and not vote. As she said, her words, the election was between Wall Street Hillary and Racist Trump. I tried to get her to voice her objections to both major party candidates to no avail. Follow my lead so to speak.

Wall Street's candidate, how or why did she view Hillary that way? There were the three speeches to Goldman Sachs for $600,000 each. Then there was Sanders railing against Clinton and Wall Street. She felt betrayed when Sanders eventually back Clinton. How can one guy so degrade his opponent as being in Wall Street's hip pocket and then back her? Questions she couldn't answer.

That's only one voter, one original Sanders supporter, but start adding them up and soon you come up with real numbers. But let's forget those who stayed home and compare those who did vote. Democratic base, 89-8 Clinton over Trump. Sanders supporters, 65-22 Clinton over Trump with 13% voting third party. I would say the perceived rigging of the Democratic primaries in Clinton's favor came home to haunt her and the Democrats.

From looking at the numbers and not citing a paragraph and a half of them, I don't think the problem was Obama voters voting for Trump. I think the problem was Obama voters either staying home or voting third party. Okay, a couple of numbers. The young, 18-29 age group went to Obama 60-37, Clinton won this group 55-36 with 9% voting third party. In 2012 only 1% of blacks voted third party, 2% of Hispanics did. in 2016, 4% of each group did. Union households 6% in 2016 third party, 2% in 2012 and so on.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmm. Did you read the article? It wasn't about cherry picked stats from Mother Jones. It was about Democrats own analysis of why they lost.
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No. It's a hard fact. Republicans suck on the economy, often crashing it: Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, now Trump. Democrats, OTOH, usually usher in boom times: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, WJC, BHO.

Couple exceptions are Carter and Ronnie. But, Ron Ron drove up the debt, which we are still stuck trying to pay down.
 
Moderate Right said:
How do you think Republicans wound up with the most power of any party since 1928 - because Democrats don't know how to govern.
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Dems lost because they put up a candidate with luggage.
 
Kurmugeon said:
I don't have to tell myself anything.

I only need grin at the election results map turning more and more red...


... and laugh.

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Did you say the same thing in 2006 and 2008? Didn't think so.
 
Praxas said:
Did you say the same thing in 2006 and 2008? Didn't think so.
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When Republicans take it in the pooper for a couple of election cycles, it's just a minor hiccup. When Democrats do, it's the end of the party forever!
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Democrats have a nasty habit of assuming that almost everyone who matters buys into their press releases, that the groupthink they control from on high is working. They are doing it even Post Trump.
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What's that you said in the other thread?

Hawkeye10 said:
I'm a lefty
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:lol:
 
Praxas said:
Did you say the same thing in 2006 and 2008? Didn't think so.
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We didn't have Keith Ellison, Black Lefties Murdering Whites/Cop in the streets, and "My Job is the Shut Up the White People" in 2008.

Under Obama, the Democratic Party transformed into All for Blacks/Muslims, All of the Time, in All Aspects of Life!

Once you go FULL-PREFERENCES-BLACK, you can never go back...


You can never take away the fact that the Democratic Party spit upon Working Whites, and called them Racists, inbred, ignorant, stupid, violent, KKK, bitter clinging to guns and bibles, Neo-Nazis, PinHead, Bigots for not voting for .... Hillary, the Queen of Corruption!


And you didn't call Working Whites all those foul things just once... you did it over and over and over... even AFTER, hell, Especially AFTER Trump Won!?


What on earth were you thinking!?


You can NEVER take something like THAT back! EVER!


And yet, without the Working White Vote, while you can win local, "Designated-Minority Majority Region" elections, like Oakland CA,...
you can't win National Elections!


So... the Dems have consigned the party in to a Regional Political Party at best.

A new SLIGHTLY left of center party will form, which will chose to stay Race-Neutral, and the Dems will wither away...


Live by the Race-Card, Die by the Race-Card!

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Hawkeye10 said:
Democrats have a nasty habit of assuming that almost everyone who matters buys into their press releases, that the groupthink they control from on high is working. They are doing it even Post Trump.
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Post Trump?

Clinton was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. She still got 3 million more votes. But because of her terrible campaign, the three states that flipped were completely ignored.

It's like winning the archery competition because your opponent found a way to shoot themselves in the elbow.
 
Mr Person said:
Post Trump?

Clinton was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. She still got 3 million more votes. But because of her terrible campaign, the three states that flipped were completely ignored.

It's like winning the archery competition because your opponent found a way to shoot themselves in the elbow.
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Except for the part where Trump was saying from the escalator ride onwards WASHINGTON SUCKS!, that something needs to be done about Washington.....sucking..........so bad that they gave us Hillary....with no approved options.......and JEB!

Clearly you dont want to listen so I have wasted enough time on your education for now.

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Hawkeye10 said:
Democrats have a nasty habit of assuming that almost everyone who matters buys into their press releases, that the groupthink they control from on high is working. They are doing it even Post Trump.
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Mr Person said:
Post Trump?

Clinton was a terrible candidate who ran a terrible campaign. She still got 3 million more votes. But because of her terrible campaign, the three states that flipped were completely ignored.

It's like winning the archery competition because your opponent found a way to shoot themselves in the elbow.
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Hawkeye10 said:
Except for the part where Trump was saying from the escalator ride onwards WASHINGTON SUCKS!, that something needs to be done about Washington.....sucking..........so bad.......that they gave us Hillary....and JEB!

Clearly you dont want to listen so I have wasted enough time on your education for now.
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Maybe one glorious day, your excellency will deign, stoop, and debase its most Lauded Self to post something that actually responds to my post when you hit the reply button.

I've put the relevant parts in blue, if you want to have a go at actually addressing the point tomorrow.
 
calamity said:
No. It's a hard fact. Republicans suck on the economy, often crashing it: Hoover, Ike, Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, now Trump. Democrats, OTOH, usually usher in boom times: FDR, HST, JFK, LBJ, WJC, BHO.

Couple exceptions are Carter and Ronnie. But, Ron Ron drove up the debt, which we are still stuck trying to pay down.
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Ummmmm. Did you read the article? It wasn't about cherry picked stats from Mother Jones. It was about Democrats own analysis of why they lost.
 
Praxas said:
Dems lost because they put up a candidate with luggage.
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How do you think Republicans wound up with the most power of any party since 1928 - because Democrats don't know how to govern. This was happening long before Trump and Clinton were the nominees. It doesn't have anything to do with the presidential election.
 
Moderate Right said:
Will they listen to themselves or will they continue saying it was voter turnout, Comey, the Russians, gerrymandering, and the EC? Did I forget anything? It's so hard to keep track of the looney left.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-card-a:homepage/story&utm_term=.a2e47e15c2c0
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Well, like any significant illness, the causes are not singular. It is a blend of different things, with varied proportions.

I believe the single largest cause is one you do not mention in this list at all, and you will never find any Democrats, much less DNC member, openly dicussing.

The Current Democratic Party is working on the false Assumption that a majority of the Nation is in political alignment the values, goals, and positions of Black Lives Matter and La Raza...

The Nation IS NOT in Alignment!

Not even a majority of the current Democratic Voters are in Alignment with that position.

So, if the Leadership of the Democats, the DNC, continues to insist on following that path, it will continue to lose all but a few, select, "Designated-Minority Majority" Regional elections.

Hence, the Dems are Dead, Dead, DEAD!

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Moderate Right said:
Ummmmm. Did you read the article? It wasn't about cherry picked stats from Mother Jones. It was about Democrats own analysis of why they lost.
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Not relevant to the basic facts: Republicans tank the economy. Democrats grow it.
 
Moderate Right said:
They voted for Trump because they lost their jobs and the Dems didn't care. That's what the Democrat's own analysis found. It didn't have anything to do with race or religion.
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The Republicans and Trump don't care either. And they voted Trump because they always vote for the GOP candidate. They'd vote for Ronald McDonald if he were the GOP candidate.
 
calamity said:
Not relevant to the basic facts: Republicans tank the economy. Democrats grow it.
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You know the Republicans suck when even their own GOP president once acknowledged that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.
 
Puigb said:
Meh, plenty of hard working blue collar men and women who are black, "hispanic", and Asian support them. The Dems haven't abandoned anyone really, their platform is still the same. That blue collar white voters left them to support the GOP and an idiot like Trump is on them. I'd like to think they'd regret it, but they never will, and will continue to vote against their own best interests because of race and religious reasons.
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I have yet to meet a liberal that didn't like a tax increase or something else that takes money out of my pocket and gives it to someone else.

I have yet to meet a liberal that didn't like a regulation which again takes money out of my pocket.

So yes I very much see voting for most liberals as voting against my self interest.
 
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