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Why Mexico may, in fact, pay for a wall...

BillRM said:
Once more we now have bitcoins that work just fine as far as moving funds between nations for zero costs and who can not be trace and therefore can not be tax.

It an attempt to placed such a fee/tax on money orders to Mexico look likely I am planning on investing big time in bitcoins as their value should shoot up to the moon and beyond.
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Mexico made bitcoin transactions for large purchases such as payments involving real estate, cars and other things illegal a couple years ago btw. and you think the undocumented immigrant is going to have a bitcoin wallet?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
How is taxing me when I send money to Mexico the same as making Mexico pay for it?
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Most of the money sent to mexico via those transactions are from Mexican nationals sending money to Mexico not by americans sending money to mexico.
 
Porkuloss said:
Just to reiterate the previous post in different words : there are ways to send money that don't involve banks or piles of cash.
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There are, but not many people use them. as most of those methods charge as much or more than the 3% fee I mentioned. You could use paypal and pay 2.9% plus .30 cents plus the exchange rate fee.
and it would be easy enough for the 3% fee I mentioned to be added to this as well.
You could use bitcoin as another mentioned... of course some digital currency transactions are illegal in some countries as I mentioned in the other reply. and you gamble on the rates on that as they fluctuate wildly and you could lose a lot more than a 3% fee, that's if it isn't of course illegal and you have the setup to redeem it somewhere etc..
 
Considering Bill Clinton touted a wall, Barrack Obama was all for barriers, and HRC even proudly proclaimed her support for and vote for a wall, I still have a really hard time understanding why democrats STILL **** themelves so often over Trump wanting to build a wall. I mean...seriously...do leftists just completely ignore videos of their senior elected officials saying the EXACT SAME THING Trump said?
 
VanceMack said:
Considering Bill Clinton touted a wall, Barrack Obama was all for barriers, and HRC even proudly proclaimed her support for and vote for a wall, I still have a really hard time understanding why democrats STILL **** themelves so often over Trump wanting to build a wall. I mean...seriously...do leftists just completely ignore videos of their senior elected officials saying the EXACT SAME THING Trump said?
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700 miles of border barrier was approved by congress in '06, I think? Problem is, this congress won't fund it. They've (congress) had a decade.
 
BillRM said:
Sorry but illegal immigrants now do not get so call benefits and there are one hell of a lot of under the table and off the books jobs available and that will always be available.

Go to the nearest Home depot and take note of the men waiting around on their parking lots for job offers for example.

The reason that there are illegal immigrants is that there is an economic need for that work force. For further information just ask Trump who had in the past hired Polish workers to take down a building for him.

footnote when and if the minimum wage is going up to 15 dollars plus that demand for a few more millions workers with no right to demand those wages will kick in big time.
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You punish the hell out of anyone who hires them.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
We do not need the virtual wall.
Just make sure they are being paid a fair wage for the work being done. Make sure all taxes are paid. Instead of a Paying FICA which they will not receive until they are legal immigrants or citizens have them pay an immigration tax. Use that money to secure our border and to make sure people entering our country are doing so legally. Most important you do not come to this country looking to undercut and take someone else's job. You either have a job or you are visiting. If while visiting you are caught working you will be deported immediately. The people who hired you get fined as well as the person working and your right to enter this country is revoked for a period of time.

I guarantee you the people hiring these criminals are only doing it to get around paying a fair wage for a days work as well as their fair share of the taxes. They do not want to pay taxes, a fair wage, provide benefits, or even provide safe working environment. They are undermining everything our unions, our parents, and our grandparents fought for. These businesses can afford to pay a fair salary but would rather become filthy rich exploiting these people while skirting their fair share of the taxes.
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Well, they severely disrupt supply and demand. How do you set what a fair wage is? I simply want illegal immigrant gone and for several reasons. Only those who qualify through our legal immigrant system should be here.
 
SocialD said:
It would be easy to get them to pay for it. Ive said it several times and others have as well. simply add on a federal fee to all international money transfers. I had read that ~85% of all international western union transfers go to mexico. and its ALOT of money annually.
You could had like a 3% fee and would be raking in billions a year.
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Mexico is already paying for the wall with lost income from jobs that have stayed in the U.S. instead of going to Mexico........over the next 50 years this will cost Mexico fifty to 100 billion dollars.

Mexico has also lost revenue because terrified illegals are leaving their U.S. jobs and scuttling back to Mexico to avoid Trump's ICE agents.......thus not sending millions in greenbacks home every month........huge loss to the Mexican economy.

The wall is bought and paid for.

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Ain't nothing wrong with undocumented people.
 
Winston said:
Ain't nothing wrong with undocumented people.
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Other than the fact that they're stealing millions of jobs that Americans should have and costing us a fortune in welfare and and breaking the law......I guess you're right.

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Lord of Planar said:
Well, they severely disrupt supply and demand. How do you set what a fair wage is? I simply want illegal immigrant gone and for several reasons. Only those who qualify through our legal immigrant system should be here.
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A fair wage would be at least minimum wage for jobs that require no experience or seasonal work. Your right the only reason they are here is because greedy pathetic people here do not want to pay a fair wage or their fair share of taxes. Lots or these illegal aliens are cleaning houses, yard work, and other jobs that used to be done by slaves. While there are no chains anymore the people are still being exploited. They work for less than citizens out fear of their masters deporting them.

Our immigration laws are nothing but a joke to the people who only follow laws they want. Look at all the grief our president is taking over securing our border and trying to enforce our immigration laws. You would think he was killing women and children. The blind hate and bigotry of the parties is beyond pathetic and will be the downfall of this country.
 
Vox said:
Mexico is already paying for the wall with lost income from jobs that have stayed in the U.S. instead of going to Mexico........over the next 50 years this will cost Mexico fifty to 100 billion dollars.

Mexico has also lost revenue because terrified illegals are leaving their U.S. jobs and scuttling back to Mexico to avoid Trump's ICE agents.......thus not sending millions in greenbacks home every month........huge loss to the Mexican economy.

The wall is bought and paid for.

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The real advantage of securing our border will come from reduced crime by keeping criminals out of our country by controlling who is allowed in. Plus all the added taxes paid in by people making a livable wage and actually paying their taxes who will now be doing those jobs. Plus the people allowed into the country legally will be paid a fair wage and will pay taxes along with their employers. It is time to end the corruption associated with the millions of criminals who think our laws are a joke. Between the people exploiting these workers, the citizens no longer doing these jobs for a fair wage, and the scum who support this criminal behavior it is no wonder this country is sinking into the abyss we are now seeing.
 
Vox said:
Other than the fact that they're stealing millions of jobs that Americans should have and costing us a fortune in welfare and and breaking the law......I guess you're right.

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Welfare? what welfare are illegals receiving from the government?

Give me a hint of what branch of government is cutting checks to people who do not have proof that they are here legally.

After you do the above for us then list the jobs that illegals are taking that US citizens would wish to have at the pay they are receiving.
 
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Lord of Planar said:
You punish the hell out of anyone who hires them.
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You mean like Trump or a large percent of the farmers in the nation or the many small businesses like the Ultralight dealership who once employed a Latin gentleman who was my flight instructor years ago and the English gentleman who they have overhauling my plane engine.
 
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SocialD said:
It would be easy to get them to pay for it. Ive said it several times and others have as well. simply add on a federal fee to all international money transfers. I had read that ~85% of all international western union transfers go to mexico. and its ALOT of money annually.
You could had like a 3% fee and would be raking in billions a year.
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We could have marched an army into Mexico City and just taken the money too. But is illegal under international law just like your "solution". Not to mention they could just mail the cash instead of paying a "fee".
 
Lord of Planar said:
I think we need a virtual wall. Not a real one. Just make it next to impossible for illegal immigrants to get jobs and benefits that are designed for legal US residents.
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Stop talking logically. You'll spoil the illusion and besides companies need those cheap workers so we cannot interfere with PROFITS under Trump for Pete's sake. We just need to keep them scared and hungry so they will work faster and cheaper.
 
iguanaman said:
We could have marched an army into Mexico City and just taken the money too. But is illegal under international law just like your "solution". Not to mention they could just mail the cash instead of paying a "fee".
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We already in the past marched the army to Mexico city suburbs and then from that position talk them into giving us most of Northern Mexico now better known as the US southwest so I guess we could do it again international law or not.
 
BillRM said:
As I said good luck in taxing those funds or should I state very bad luck for the American banks that up to this point had been handling that flow of funds as people switch to other means of sending funds home.
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You need to look into the issue a little deeper. The people sending money generally don't have bank accounts. In general, the only banks involved are the ones assisting Western Union, or others, who actually handle the transfers.

Given the cultural failure of Mexico, there are few "other means" of sending funds home that don't put the funds at risk of ever reaching their intended parties.
 
BillRM said:
Welfare? what welfare are illegals receiving from the government?

Give me a hint of what branch of government is cutting checks to people who do not have proof that they are here legally.

After you do the above for us then list the jobs that illegals are taking that US citizens would wish to have at the pay they are receiving.
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Sure, Bill.......drive through my town and you will see Mexican roofing crews crawling all over the houses because we had some storm damage and people want the cheapest new roof they can get.

The Mexicans travel all over--in huge numbers......everywhere there's been storm damage and take the work away from Americans who charge more.

That's just ONE example......they do this undercuttng of American workers in every business and line of work.

As for welfare.......all a woman has to do is get into this country pregnant and get to a hospital and have her baby. The government will pay for it and she gets the added benefit that now she has a child that's an American citizen.......so she can stay and establish a base and bring in the father and the whole extended family of uncles, aunts and cousins.

Thank God.......Trump IS putting a stop to this infestation of Mexicans into the U.S.

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Vox said:
Sure, Bill.......drive through my town and you will see Mexican roofing crews crawling all over the houses because we had some storm damage and people want the cheapest new roof they can get.

The Mexicans travel all over--in huge numbers......everywhere there's been storm damage and take the work away from Americans who charge more.

That's just ONE example......they do this undercuttng of American workers in every business and line of work.
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There is no undercutting because there are no Americans willing to do the backbreaking labor that migrant workers do for peanuts. I suppose nothing is preventing you from laboring in the summer sun for 85 cents per 90 pound box of oranges you pick and shift though. That's what farmers are willing to pay so sign up!
 
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Napoleon said:
There is no undercutting because there are no Americans willing to do the backbreaking labor that migrant workers do for peanuts. I suppose nothing is preventing you from laboring in the summer sun for 85 cents per 90 pound box of oranges you pick and shift though. That's what farmers are willing to pay so sign up!
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Did you not READ what I wrote???????????

Let me repeat it for your elucidation. This is not all about picking lettuce.

"Sure, Bill.......drive through my town and you will see Mexican roofing crews crawling all over the houses because we had some storm damage and people want the cheapest new roof they can get.

The Mexicans travel all over--in huge numbers......everywhere there's been storm damage and take the work away from Americans who charge more."

These American roofing companies are going out of business because the Mexicans undercut them.

THE AMERICANS WANT THE WORK!!

The Mexicans steal it from them because they travel all over, live in their cars like animals and have almost nothing in the way of expenses and overhead.

Now do you get it? And this is just ONE example.

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woodsman said:
I get that you need to try your best with the left lunacy justifications, BTW, 52 and still living in the basement ,Wow, how did you manage to get the old folks to sign over the deed to make you a homeowner?
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Ah, comprehension problems. This is all starting to make sense to me now. Who else would defend Trump but someone who rejects reality? Let me ask you, do you live in a house or a "home"? Are there people in white coats who feed and bathe you? Do you get little cups with pretty pills every morning that make the monsters stop talking? Yeah....

I sure hope this isn’t a trend. It’s obvious that the OP was troll bait in my opinion, and that twisted-ness is there for all to notice with the reverse boarder rant.
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It seems I caught a troll, just not a smart one.

Know this D_NATURED you lost the debate with every keystroke you typed, my pointing it out is just,,,,well,,,,fun for me and obvious for all.
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You're having fun because you are oblivious to what's happening in the world. How could anyone pay attention with so much paranoia and inanity streaming through their mind. Take your pills and get away from the keyboard. Let the adults talk.
 
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