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Confederate monuments[W:1182]

Re: Confederate monuments

TurtleDude said:
It appears what really is behind this silliness is that you are upset that the Southern States tend to vote for Republican candidates and you want to castigate them for that without actually coming out and saying it.
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given the fact that many northern states vote republican your theory doesnt even pass ...anything
 
Re: Confederate monuments

katzgar said:
you challenge me to address your ignorance? Holy crap dude.
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No, I challenge you to quote where your claims were substantiated in posts. Is that too difficult for you, if they actually have been?
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
i shall explain further

up until early 1861 for the present to call out the militia he must get approval from the state legislatures of the states he wants to use the militia from.

in 1861 congress authorizes the president to callout militia from states without state legislature approval for rebellions, then in 1869 congress does the same for insurrections
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Ahh. OK. Now that makes much more sense. Thank you.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

TurtleDude said:
I am asking you how you are harmed in any way by a 120 year old monument in a state you don't even live in
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the real question is why do you support a monument to white nationalism/ insurrection
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
you didn't read it very good:doh, because if you had you would see that the president cannot call out the militia unless approval is given by the state legislature.

in 1807 under the insurrection act the president can call out regular troops for insurrection.......Lincoln called out militias

in 1861 congress authorizes the president to call out the militias for rebellions without state legislature approval

in 1869 congress authorizes the presidnet to call out militias for insurrections without state legislature approval
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you can try playing this word game with law all you want, when the Lincoln had about a million troops entering the CSA, he was the law. end story.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
oh, then you have to know the british were trading with the confederacy.

British subjects were in the civil war serving in the confederacy
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There's a big difference between trading, and a few adventurers "volunteering" for action, and a full scale intervention. If the British had actually intervened, they would broken the blockade.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
you can try playing this word game with law all you want, when the Lincoln had about a million troops entering the CSA, he was the law. end story.
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when the war started is what we are dealing with

before 1861 Lincoln has no authority to call out militia of the states without the state permission

congress grants him authority 1 month before the war to callout the militia without permission for rebellions......but not for insurrections.

lincoln called up militia on apr 15 1865
 
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Napoleon said:
So was the Liberty Monument. A plaque was installed years ago that explained what the monument was and how far the city had come since the events it was built to commemorate.
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Ooh, a plaque. Never mind the entire point of the statue, or the fact that it continues to symbolize something; they added a plaque that a few people might notice, so now everything's supposed to be hunky dory right?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
There's a big difference between trading, and a few adventurers "volunteering" for action, and a full scale intervention. If the British had actually intervened, they would broken the blockade.
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you talked about values, not whether they entered the war.

and its clear they favored trading with the confederacy
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
you talked about values, not whether they entered the war.

and its clear they favored trading with the confederacy
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No,mid they'd really "favored trading with the confederacy" so much they would have broken the blockade. Anti slavery sentiment amongst the vast majority of the British populace meant that didn't happen.
 
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TurtleDude said:
I am asking you how you are harmed in any way by a 120 year old monument in a state you don't even live in
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You don't have to be personally harmed by something to oppose it. I've never been harmed by human trafficking. That doesn't stop me from opposing it and those who practice and supported it.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
No,mid they'd really "favored trading with the confederacy" so much they would have broken the blockade. Anti slavery sentiment amongst the vast majority of the British populace meant that didn't happen.
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sorry but you wish to deflect the subject and you cannot, the values of the british government did not keep them with trading with the confederacy, and you suggested before the british and French had values as if they would not stain their hands dealing with the south
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
Ooh, a plaque. Never mind the entire point of the statue, or the fact that it continues to symbolize something; they added a plaque that a few people might notice, so now everything's supposed to be hunky dory right?
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I don't care if its "hunky dory" or not. If people can't move through world without learning how to cope with things that may offend them without destroying them then they lack intellectual maturity.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
You don't have to be personally harmed by something to oppose it. I've never been harmed by human trafficking. That doesn't stop me from opposing it and those who practice and supported it.
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bad example, human trafficking is a rights violation, monuments making people feel uncomfortable is not.
 
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Napoleon said:
I don't care if its "hunky dory" or not. If people can't move through world without learning how to cope with things that may offend them without destroying them then they lack intellectual maturity.
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A monument to the people who tried to keep your ancestors in slavery or outright murdered them is a little more than just "offensive".

If you really feel that way, how about we put up a memorial to the Waffen SS or the IJN? After all, it's "just offensive" right?
 
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Master PO said:
bad example, human trafficking is a rights violation, monuments making people feel uncomfortable is not.
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Slavery violates your human rights. The monument represents people who fought for the preservation of slavery.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Master PO said:
when the war started is what we are dealing with

before 1861 Lincoln has no authority to call out militia of the states without the state permission

congress grants him authority 1 month before the war to callout the militia without permission for rebellions......but not for insurrections.

lincoln called up militia on apr 15 1865
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1861, lincoln calls militia,

1865, south's ass is royally kicked.

The law of might makes right disagrees with you.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

apdst said:
I've hit the jackpot every time in this thread.
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That's pretty blatantly false. After all, you tried to allege that I'm a Nazi. Since I'm not.....you just shot yourself in the foot.
 
Re: Confederate monuments

Tigerace117 said:
A monument to the people who tried to keep your ancestors in slavery or outright murdered them is a little more than just "offensive".
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Another sign of intellectual immaturity.

Tigerace117 said:
If you really feel that way, how about we put up a memorial to the Waffen SS or the IJN? After all, it's "just offensive" right?
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Do you know why Auschwitz is still there and open to the public?
 
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