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Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hillary

Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

If you support Hitlary, then your support the Neo Con agenda, because she supported the Neo Con agenda 100%. It was Trump who promised non interventionism. Of course he obviously lied. But now the Liberals have the Neo Con agenda they voted for.

Good gosh, one reason many liberals never really liked Hillary was her "Neo Con" agenda. I voted for her in spite of that because I thought Trump would be as bad or worse, and "or worse" appears to have been a good call.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Insurance by its nature pools risk in order to offer more to people in need at the expense of others who are lucky enough not to need it. It works because it is a voluntary system that benefits all involved.

When government steps in and attempts to mandate coverage's that are not feasible under normal market conditions they upset the natural balance that made the system work to begin with. They must then impose tyrannical rules on people including forcing people to purchase coverage that do not want it, and forcing others to pay more than the market would other wise charge in order to provide their vision of a fair system. The issue is it is not fair at all.

It is never fair to steal the property of one person to give to another regardless of the circumstances. You see life itself is not fair. Life is a crapshoot in which some live and some die, some prosper and some suffer, some are happy and some are miserable.

You get no guarantee when you check into this world, except the basic right to reap what you have sown. If you do not have the right to keep what you have earned then you are simply a indentured slave working for the wellbeing of others.

You have the right to whatever healthcare you can afford, or others are willing to provide for you by their own free will. You are not entitled to rob others by force to enhance your quality of life at the expense of lessening theirs.

You've had 48 hours.

DO YOU BELIEVE DISABLED AMERICANS SHOULD BE GIVEN HEALTH COVERAGE - FOR FREE

Or are you a proponent of eugenics? You have to make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. You can't favor incredibly evil things and claim them to be righteous. So tell me, tell the forum, pick a position!
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

So you used a lot of words. I'd like you to stop and answer a question:

DO YOU FAVOR INSURING DISABLED AMERICANS

Three times now, no answer. Because it sounds like you're in favor of letting disabled Americans die so you can have more money. I'm not saying that's how you think. I'm saying that's what your previous posts implied. Justifying it doesn't make it less evil or disgusting.

Also, I'm not on medicaid. You repeatedly imply that I'm on medicaid. I have an auto immune disease and still work a full time job. Are you reading what I'm saying or waiting to spew your garbage?

Are you asking do I want to pay for your insurance? No I do not. I especially do not want to be robbed by force to pay for your insurance. If I were asked to contribute to a fund to help as a charity, I would consider it.

I never implied you were on Medicare, but any government subsidized plan in which citizens are robbed by threat of violence and their money taken for the benefit of others is criminal regardless of the reason.

I sympathize with your condition, but no one, and I mean no one owes you anything because you contracted a disease.

Obamacare adds 10 billion dollars to the National Debt every year, and that debt will be placed on the backs of future generations.

Why should the people who have nothing to do with you be saddled with the cost of treating your illness? Do you think the world owes you medical care out of their hard work?
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Good gosh, one reason many liberals never really liked Hillary was her "Neo Con" agenda. I voted for her in spite of that because I thought Trump would be as bad or worse, and "or worse" appears to have been a good call.

Clinton was owned by the military industrial establishment. If you voted for her you voted to involve the US in murderous war for profit. Trump promised to non interventionist, and then sold out. At least the people who voted for him can have the clear conscience of trying to stop the senseless killing. Clinton voters sold out from the very beginning.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

You've had 48 hours.

DO YOU BELIEVE DISABLED AMERICANS SHOULD BE GIVEN HEALTH COVERAGE - FOR FREE

Or are you a proponent of eugenics? You have to make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. You can't favor incredibly evil things and claim them to be righteous. So tell me, tell the forum, pick a position!

Sorry, unlike many on this forum, I have a real life and do not do this every day. My earlier post outlines my position.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Clinton was owned by the military industrial establishment. If you voted for her you voted to involve the US in murderous war for profit. Trump promised to non interventionist, and then sold out. At least the people who voted for him can have the clear conscience of trying to stop the senseless killing. Clinton voters sold out from the very beginning.

I respect your reason for voting for Trump if that was a main one, but I don't see my choice as a sellout. Like on everything, Trump had a half dozen positions on foreign policy, belligerent one day, pacifist the next. And I didn't and do not now trust him on foreign policy - believe we've effectively given the nuclear codes to a madman - and the odds of a foreign policy disaster are, IMO, far higher with Trump than with Clinton. Plus, even if a push, and at worst that's how I weighed it, I preferred Clinton to Trump on most other issues. Wasn't happy about Clinton getting the nomination - preferred Sanders who I think might have actually been a non-hawk, although the position of POTUS tends to make all our Presidents toe a pretty interventionist line - but like you I assume I had to make a difficult choice.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

I respect your reason for voting for Trump if that was a main one, but I don't see my choice as a sellout. Like on everything, Trump had a half dozen positions on foreign policy, belligerent one day, pacifist the next. And I didn't and do not now trust him on foreign policy - believe we've effectively given the nuclear codes to a madman - and the odds of a foreign policy disaster are, IMO, far higher with Trump than with Clinton. Plus, even if a push, and at worst that's how I weighed it, I preferred Clinton to Trump on most other issues. Wasn't happy about Clinton getting the nomination - preferred Sanders who I think might have actually been a non-hawk, although the position of POTUS tends to make all our Presidents toe a pretty interventionist line - but like you I assume I had to make a difficult choice.

Who said I voted for Trump? I voted Libertarian, because it is the only party which even understands what liberty is. I did however listen to all the candidates, and what they were advocating.
I do not believe Trump is a madman, but I do not believe at this point he has any ethics either. He said what it took to get elected, and once in office he assessed who the real power brokers were and made deals.
To be fair, I do not think any President can stand up to the establishment, I think Kennedy tried and was made an example of.
Presidents are transient, and the people who are really in power see them come and go.
Presidents live in a matrix where they depend on certain people who provide the information that they use to try to make decisions. If you control the information, you can also control the decisions. That is why every President simply follows the agenda of the President before him. We are no longer a free country of self determination, we are a dictatorship controlled by oligarchs and as a nation we are too stupid and too cowardly to do anything about it.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Sorry, unlike many on this forum, I have a real life and do not do this every day. My earlier post outlines my position.

No it doesn't. Should a person who is unable to work at all receive free health care? Your previous posts imply that you believe a person with severe developmental disabilities deserves and should receive nothing. Is that what you believe or not?

And you kind of did imply that I was on medicare, because I receive subsidies but my insurance is state run and you don't live in Minnesota. That's where I'm coming from. But see above, you're avoiding the question I asked 4 times. I'm not asking about me, I'm asking about the millions of Americans who cannot work that you're saying should receive nothing (or implying should receive nothing).
 
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Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

No it doesn't. Should a person who is unable to work at all receive free health care? Your previous posts imply that you believe a person with severe developmental disabilities deserves and should receive nothing. Is that what you believe or not?

And you kind of did imply that I was on medicare, because I receive subsidies but my insurance is state run and you don't live in Minnesota. That's where I'm coming from. But see above, you're avoiding the question I asked 4 times. I'm not asking about me, I'm asking about the millions of Americans who cannot work that you're saying should receive nothing (or implying should receive nothing).

I do not believe anyone is entitled to anything except their fair share of air to breathe. If someone is incapable of working then it was the responsibility of their parents to provide for them. They were the ones who brought them into the world. If they are incapable then their survival falls to the charity of people who would VOLUNTAIRILY choose to give their hard earned money to others.

Tell me this, what do you think you are ENTITLED to that other people have worked for and earned?
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

I do not believe anyone is entitled to anything except their fair share of air to breathe. If someone is incapable of working then it was the responsibility of their parents to provide for them. They were the ones who brought them into the world. If they are incapable then their survival falls to the charity of people who would VOLUNTAIRILY choose to give their hard earned money to others.

Tell me this, what do you think you are ENTITLED to that other people have worked for and earned?

Ahh, you believe that poor disabled people should be left to die. That's popular. Among neo-nazis. Are you one?

I am entitled to the opportunity to achieve success based on my skills and work ethic. If I am deprived of that opportunity (IE not being able to walk because health insurance companies won't cover me) then I am, in effect, being treated as an inferior American because I was born with a disability.

But you live in your hate bubble and keep stewing in anger until you spontaneously combust while the rest of us think of things other than harming vulnerable adults and children.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Ahh, you believe that poor disabled people should be left to die. That's popular. Among neo-nazis. Are you one?

I am entitled to the opportunity to achieve success based on my skills and work ethic. If I am deprived of that opportunity (IE not being able to walk because health insurance companies won't cover me) then I am, in effect, being treated as an inferior American because I was born with a disability.

But you live in your hate bubble and keep stewing in anger until you spontaneously combust while the rest of us think of things other than harming vulnerable adults and children.

You want to play the victim? Go ahead. The fact is you probably do not even need the expensive medication you have been prescribed by the medical establishment who are basically just pimps for the drug and chemical companies. Most autoimmune diseases are treated more effectively by homeopathic methods than by drugs, but doing something like that requires the person to take charge of their own life and be proactive, and that is not something that liberals are inclined to do. They would rather assume the position of victim and look to others to support them as they fail in life.

So you stew in your hate filled world of victimization and continue to refuse to take responsibility for your self while blaming the rest of the world for your conditions.

The bottom line is that life is what you make of it, You can be productive and independent, or you can be a drain of society, that is your choice.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

You want to play the victim? Go ahead. The fact is you probably do not even need the expensive medication you have been prescribed by the medical establishment who are basically just pimps for the drug and chemical companies. Most autoimmune diseases are treated more effectively by homeopathic methods than by drugs, but doing something like that requires the person to take charge of their own life and be proactive, and that is not something that liberals are inclined to do. They would rather assume the position of victim and look to others to support them as they fail in life.

So you stew in your hate filled world of victimization and continue to refuse to take responsibility for your self while blaming the rest of the world for your conditions.

The bottom line is that life is what you make of it, You can be productive and independent, or you can be a drain of society, that is your choice.

This is one of the most fabulously stipid things I've ever read.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Trump has now sold out on his promises on non interventionism so he is now the puppet of the Neo-Cons just like Hitlary. So why are the liberals still upset? They got what they wanted from the beginning a Neo-Con who has sold out to the establishment so you would think they would be happy. I guess the majority of them are too dumb to know they won.


I'm trying to follow you. Please elaborate.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

I'm trying to follow you. Please elaborate.

Here is a quote from Trump in 2013.... "What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval".

Then what is his first international action as President? To bomb Syria!

There is not any difference whatsoever between the policies of what Hillary advocated and what Trump is doing.
In fact in this case Trump did exactly what she called for... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...30847/&usg=AFQjCNEwhIDsDZ1J89XXzPwdAeos3GNvxQ
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

Here is a quote from Trump in 2013.... "What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval".

Then what is his first international action as President? To bomb Syria!

There is not any difference whatsoever between the policies of what Hillary advocated and what Trump is doing.
In fact in this case Trump did exactly what she called for... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...30847/&usg=AFQjCNEwhIDsDZ1J89XXzPwdAeos3GNvxQ


But that was my major problem with Hillary. She never met a military intervention she didn't like.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

But that was my major problem with Hillary. She never met a military intervention she didn't like.

The military industrial establishment is in control of this country and if we are to survive, that needs to end.
 
Re: Why are the liberals still upset? Trump sold out to the Neo-Cons just like Hilla

The military industrial establishment is in control of this country and if we are to survive, that needs to end.


It is only the military that is preventing that.
 
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