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March for Science

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Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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Brawndo, it's what plants crave
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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Science is slower than one would have thought.
 
I see this not about a 'march for science', but rather as a 'march for truth'!

We're having problems with truth as of late, and like so much I believe it comes from the top.
 
I was just at the one in Boston - there was a great turnout but it was especially amazing to see a huge number of kids (there was a whole 'kids march for science' section).

There's so much anti-intellectualism in today's discourse so it was a great reminder that people do care about this stuff :)
 
Chomsky said:
I see this not about a 'march for science', but rather as a 'march for truth'!

We're having problems with truth as of late, and like so much I believe it comes from the top.
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The top are people who are willfully mentally unbalanced living in a delusional mental state brought about by extremist right wing views . The idea that science should be subjected to conservative political imperatives is so twisted and so downright insane that it threatens our very existence over issues like climate change.

God help us all.
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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Some things take time.

Humans have been around some 200,000 years now, and it's only been in the last 10,000 that we began experimenting with alternatives to the hunter/gatherer lifestyle. It's only been less than a thousand since we began to experiment with science over alchemy and other superstitious nonsense.

So, give us another thousand years or so, and maybe humans will finally have put away the old superstitions and fully adopted science.

Or, it might take longer. There were still hunter/gatherer societies until fairly recently. Maybe it will take another ten thousand years.

Or even longer if we have to take the time to evolve into a truly intelligent species.
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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What does it say about today's scientists that they believe there are people who don't believe in it....
 
I'm okay with this as long they don't lump the climate-change-denying knuckle-druggers in with people with legitimate concerns about whether or not corporate science is telling the truth about vaccines and GMOs.
 
ocean515 said:
Beyond the rhetoric, I think there are likely few people who don't believe in science.
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It depends on whether science is trying to tell them something that counters their beliefs. Take evolution, for example: How many people still don't accept the theory of evolution? I asked that question of Google, and found:

How many people in the world believe in evolution?
Among those who attend church weekly, two-thirds believe in creationism, 25 percent believe in theistic evolution and a mere 3 percent believe in evolution.
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Now, if you tell them that heat rises or that the Bernoulli Effect makes heavier than air flight possible, they'll most likely be bored.

And, they don't have to believe in the Bernoulli Effect to believe that an airplane can fly. Everyone has seen that they do.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It depends on whether science is trying to tell them something that counters their beliefs. Take evolution, for example: How many people still don't accept the theory of evolution? I asked that question of Google, and found:



Now, if you tell them that heat rises or that the Bernoulli Effect makes heavier than air flight possible, they'll most likely be bored.

And, they don't have to believe in the Bernoulli Effect to believe that an airplane can fly. Everyone has seen that they do.
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Well, when you introduce elements like evolution versus creationism, I'm not surprised at such a result. That certainly doesn't mean people don't believe in science, period.

I would imagine if you asked the same people who believe in creationism questions about medical science, or computer science, or the myriad of other scientific endeavors, their belief in science would be obvious.

These facts are why I stated "Beyond the rhetoric". Introducing political agenda to the question only serves to poison the results.
 
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More pictures from the march:
 
ocean515 said:
Well, when you introduce elements like evolution versus creationism, I'm not surprised at such a result. That certainly doesn't mean people don't believe in science, period.

I would imagine if you asked the same people who believe in creationism questions about medical science, or computer science, or the myriad of other scientific endeavors, their belief in science would be obvious.

These facts are why I stated "Beyond the rhetoric". Introducing political agenda to the question only serves to poison the results.
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Which is why I said, "unless it counters their belief system." Really, what is political about evolution?
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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A physicist's take on the March for Science | Fox News

It's just another bunch of empty heads hijacked by the left.
 
calamity said:
Back in 1969, when I saw us put a man on the moon, I was reasonably sure that if I lived to 2017, we'd have bases on other planets, flying cars, and clean energy....no way in a million years did I predict we would have to march to save science from being hijacked by ignorant morons.

Now, I am just waiting for the day when President Comacho signs the executive order demanding we begin irrigating crops with Gatorade.

March for Science Demonstrators Say They'''re the Real Patriots - NBC News
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So let me guess. You object to the scientific hijacking which purports Global Climate change (or whatever they are calling it this week)?
 
ocean515 said:
Beyond the rhetoric, I think there are likely few people who don't believe in science.
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This guy ran for a seat on the house of representatives, and won overwhelmingly, thanks to the great people of Georgia. He served on the House science committee. Here he is on the campaign trail, preaching to a lot of "Amen"s and "Hallelujah"s:

God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior. There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says. And what I’ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it. It teaches us how to run our lives individually. How to run our families, how to run our churches. But it teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the Holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that.”
-Paul Broun (R), Georgia
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ocean515 said:
Well, when you introduce elements like evolution versus creationism, I'm not surprised at such a result. That certainly doesn't mean people don't believe in science, period.

I would imagine if you asked the same people who believe in creationism questions about medical science, or computer science, or the myriad of other scientific endeavors, their belief in science would be obvious.

These facts are why I stated "Beyond the rhetoric". Introducing political agenda to the question only serves to poison the results.
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They believe whatever Breitbart and Sean Hannity tell them to believe. In their world, Hannity has more credibility in his little pinky than all the scientific organizations on the planet put together.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Which is why I said, "unless it counters their belief system." Really, what is political about evolution?
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This thread involves a march about science. It's not about religion. If you want to poison the thread with a discussion on faith, I'm not the one to assist you. I think there are other places on DP for that type of discussion.

The scientific method involves healthy debate and peer review. Theory is rejected frequently by those who don't believe in the conclusion offered. Does that mean those scientist who don't believe are any less respected or capable than those who do?

Now, it may be that this march was ideological, and didn't really have anything to do with the issue of science. If that was the reason for it, then it was just another political march with the usual propaganda and rhetoric one would expect.
 
ataraxia said:
This guy ran for a seat on the house of representatives, and won overwhelmingly, thanks to the great people of Georgia. He served on the House science committee. Here he is on the campaign trail, preaching to a lot of "Amen"s and "Hallelujah"s:
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Last time I checked, "science" as a discipline and field of study, extended beyond the question of human origin and into a myriad of areas including medical, chemical, electrical, space, etc..

Do you think science only applies to the issue of human origin? I certainly don't, but you're welcome to your own beliefs.
 
ocean515 said:
This thread involves a march about science. It's not about religion. If you want to poison the thread with a discussion on faith, I'm not the one to assist you. I think there are other places on DP for that type of discussion.

The scientific method involves healthy debate and peer review. Theory is rejected frequently by those who don't believe in the conclusion offered. Does that mean those scientist who don't believe are any less respected or capable than those who do?

Now, it may be that this march was ideological, and didn't really have anything to do with the issue of science. If that was the reason for it, then it was just another political march with the usual propaganda and rhetoric one would expect.
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The march was not ideological.
I'm not trying to inject religion into the thread.
I'm just pointing out why the organizers think there is a need for a march for science. One would think that, in the 21st. century, science would no longer be controversial.

But, it must be.
 
ataraxia said:
They believe whatever Breitbart and Sean Hannity tell them to believe. In their world, Hannity has more credibility in his little pinky than all the scientific organizations on the planet put together.
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I can't say for sure, but I would think they are not as hobbled by ideology as some people offering opinions reveal themselves to be, so it's likely what you're suggesting is not accurate.
 
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