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Mental health professionals raise red flags regarding Trump

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Trump's mental health and temperament have been a concern from the moment he declared his interest in running for president. Mental health professionals in particular have been raising red flags on his flagrant narcissism and tenuous relationship with facts from the beginning. But even those who are not mental health professionals always knew there was something not quite right about his outsized personality.

Analysts have focused specifically on the applicability of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which the Mayo Clinic defines by “an inflated sense of [one’s] own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism." The outcomes of even slight criticisms in such individuals can be extremely violent, exaggerated, and often unpredictable, with the critics often facing draconian consequences. One psychologist, Ben Michaelis, called Trump “textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder.” Psychologist George Simon called Trump “so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in my classes and workshops because there’s no better or classic example of this disorder.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/

But mental health specialists have been averse to speaking out about Trump's "strangeness" because of an old rule they themselves made. Ever since 1973, they have been professionally restrained by something called the Goldwater Rule from commenting on the mental fitness of any person they have not personally examined. Because the rule was established by the American Psychiatric Association (who are MDs-medical doctors), psychologists (who have PhDs) are not expressly forbidden from making public pronouncements about the mental health of public figures. But the American Psychological Association has also affirmed the rule and psychologists generally abide by it.

In recent years, however, especially since the Trump candidacy, mental health experts have begun speaking out against the rule. For psychologist John Gartner, who has over 41,000 professional signatures to a Facebook petition stating that mental health experts have a duty to warn the public of the dangers posed by Trump’s behavior, the rule is obsolete, established before diagnostic criteria abandoned Freudian interpretation in favor of observable behavior.

.... a group of prominent mental health professionals today agreed that they have an ethical obligation to expose to the public every instance of reality distortion, impulsive decision-making, and violation of presidential norms of behavior that singularize the Trump presidency.

At a conference held at Yale University Medical School and led by Bandy Lee, assistant clinical professor in law and psychiatry, mental health experts met to discuss whether their professional responsibility includes a duty to warn the public of dangers posed by President Trump’s behavior. For them the issue is no longer what psychiatric diagnosis Donald Trump merits or not. It is how to avert the "malignant normality"—as psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton called it—now threatening American democracy.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201704/shrinks-define-dangers-trump-presidency

This has now become a professional dilemma for mental health specialists: do they just let democracy take their course ("We are not the police for society, we just have a responsibility to the individual patient who seeks our services", as one of the few opposed to this view stated at the conference), or should they have an ethical responsibility to society at large to educate them about a clearly very odd and abnormal behavior, with potentially very dangerous consequences? This is a little like the dilemma they face when a patient confides in them that they are going to kill someone or plant a bomb somewhere. Do they violate doctor/patient confidentiality to warn the potential victim or police, or does the privacy of their client come first? Are there times when their duty to society at large should outweigh their professional obligations to an individual patient?

For Harvard psychiatrist Judith Herman, the signs of Trump’s mental instability are so visible professional expertise is not even needed to recognize them. Still, last fall, she wrote a letter to then-President Obama expressing alarm over the mental health of the president-elect and requesting he undergo a full neuropsychiatric and medical evaluation. She, too, found colleagues unwilling to sign the letter because of ethical restraints and/or fear of being targeted. But she also noted that many in the mental health community have principled concerns about the political use and potential for misuse of psychiatry.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201704/shrinks-define-dangers-trump-presidency
 
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Judging by "observable behavior" the vast majority of Progressive-Left SJW's (including the most vocal of these "mental health professionals") are the ones exhibiting serious mental health issues. :coffeepap:
 
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Judging by "observable behavior" the vast majority of Progressive-Left SJW's (including the most vocal of these "mental health professionals") are the ones exhibiting serious mental health issues. :coffeepap:

Oh yeah? How so? Because they are acting freaked out for having someone running their country who thinks it's OK to grab woman's p****ies whenever he pleases just because he's a celebrity, or because he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax, or because he just wakes up one morning and makes up stuff about a former president wiretapping him just because he feels like it?

I think it would be abnormal NOT to be exhibiting some kind of crazy behavior at someone like that running your country. This is what the mental health professionals worry about when they express concern about this kind of behavior becoming considered normal by society being constantly exposed to it. This is not normal. It's abnormal and highly dysfunctional.

"Mental health experts... have an ethical requirement to expose “malignant normality,” the adaptation to and normalization of dangerous behavior that occurs in the absence of speaking up. “It’s important for professionals to point out Trump’s assault on reality and his attempts to impose it on the rest of us.”

An audible gasp of understanding rose from the audience when he ended his remarks with a line from poet Theodore Roethke: “In a dark time, the eye begins to see.”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201704/shrinks-define-dangers-trump-presidency
 
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The right's fascination with Trump as a candidate is not unlike the fascination of a repeatedly battered and abused woman falling for abusive men in their life. They promise her they will love her, they tell her they will make everything great. So they keep falling for them: the Sarah Palins, the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party types, the Koch brothers, and now this. And they keep showing up to work with broken jaws and bruised eye sockets. "But he tells me he loves me, and knows what's best for me", they say. And they keep going back for more punishment. Does it come from poor self-esteem? Or is it just ignorance and lack of education?

Trump Voters Stand to Suffer Most From Obamacare Repeal and a Trade War - NBC News
 
Trump's mental health and temperament have been a concern from the moment he declared his interest in running for president. Mental health professionals in particular have been raising red flags on his flagrant narcissism and tenuous relationship with facts from the beginning. But even those who are not mental health professionals always knew there was something not quite right about his outsized personality.

Analysts have focused specifically on the applicability of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which the Mayo Clinic defines by “an inflated sense of [one’s] own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism." The outcomes of even slight criticisms in such individuals can be extremely violent, exaggerated, and often unpredictable, with the critics often facing draconian consequences. One psychologist, Ben Michaelis, called Trump “textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder.” Psychologist George Simon called Trump “so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in my classes and workshops because there’s no better or classic example of this disorder.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/

But mental health specialists have been averse to speaking out about Trump's "strangeness" because of an old rule they themselves made. Ever since 1973, they have been professionally restrained by something called the Goldwater Rule from commenting on the mental fitness of any person they have not personally examined. Because the rule was established by the American Psychiatric Association (who are MDs-medical doctors), psychologists (who have PhDs) are not expressly forbidden from making public pronouncements about the mental health of public figures. But the American Psychological Association has also affirmed the rule and psychologists generally abide by it.

In recent years, however, especially since the Trump candidacy, mental health experts have begun speaking out against the rule. For psychologist John Gartner, who has over 41,000 professional signatures to a Facebook petition stating that mental health experts have a duty to warn the public of the dangers posed by Trump’s behavior, the rule is obsolete, established before diagnostic criteria abandoned Freudian interpretation in favor of observable behavior.



This has now become a professional dilemma for mental health specialists: do they just let democracy take their course ("We are not the police for society, we just have a responsibility to the individual patient who seeks our services", as one of the few opposed to this view stated at the conference), or should they have an ethical responsibility to society at large to educate them about a clearly very odd and abnormal behavior, with potentially very dangerous consequences? This is a little like the dilemma they face when a patient confides in them that they are going to kill someone or plant a bomb somewhere. Do they violate doctor/patient confidentiality to warn the potential victim or police, or does the privacy of their client come first? Are there times when their duty to society at large should outweigh their professional obligations to an individual patient?

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Thank you. A good example of what they are talking about when they say "malignant normality": the adaptation to and normalization of dangerous and highly dysfunctional behavior.
 
Trump's mental health and temperament have been a concern from the moment he declared his interest in running for president. Mental health professionals in particular have been raising red flags on his flagrant narcissism and tenuous relationship with facts from the beginning. But even those who are not mental health professionals always knew there was something not quite right about his outsized personality.

Analysts have focused specifically on the applicability of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which the Mayo Clinic defines by “an inflated sense of [one’s] own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism." The outcomes of even slight criticisms in such individuals can be extremely violent, exaggerated, and often unpredictable, with the critics often facing draconian consequences. One psychologist, Ben Michaelis, called Trump “textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder.” Psychologist George Simon called Trump “so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in my classes and workshops because there’s no better or classic example of this disorder.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/

But mental health specialists have been averse to speaking out about Trump's "strangeness" because of an old rule they themselves made. Ever since 1973, they have been professionally restrained by something called the Goldwater Rule from commenting on the mental fitness of any person they have not personally examined. Because the rule was established by the American Psychiatric Association (who are MDs-medical doctors), psychologists (who have PhDs) are not expressly forbidden from making public pronouncements about the mental health of public figures. But the American Psychological Association has also affirmed the rule and psychologists generally abide by it.

In recent years, however, especially since the Trump candidacy, mental health experts have begun speaking out against the rule. For psychologist John Gartner, who has over 41,000 professional signatures to a Facebook petition stating that mental health experts have a duty to warn the public of the dangers posed by Trump’s behavior, the rule is obsolete, established before diagnostic criteria abandoned Freudian interpretation in favor of observable behavior.



This has now become a professional dilemma for mental health specialists: do they just let democracy take their course ("We are not the police for society, we just have a responsibility to the individual patient who seeks our services", as one of the few opposed to this view stated at the conference), or should they have an ethical responsibility to society at large to educate them about a clearly very odd and abnormal behavior, with potentially very dangerous consequences? This is a little like the dilemma they face when a patient confides in them that they are going to kill someone or plant a bomb somewhere. Do they violate doctor/patient confidentiality to warn the potential victim or police, or does the privacy of their client come first? Are there times when their duty to society at large should outweigh their professional obligations to an individual patient?
I believe many people who have any knowledge at all about mental illness understand that this man is not balanced

I don't know if using one's profession to speak out about him would be a positive at this point

if he gets totally out of hand, and I believe he will, they (his controllers) will force him out and hopefully it won't be too late
 
The right's fascination with Trump as a candidate is not unlike the fascination of a repeatedly battered and abused woman falling for abusive men in their life. They promise her they will love her, they tell her they will make everything great. So they keep falling for them: the Sarah Palins, the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party types, the Koch brothers, and now this. And they keep showing up to work with broken jaws and bruised eye sockets. "But he tells me he loves me, and knows what's best for me", they say. And they keep going back for more punishment. Does it come from poor self-esteem? Or is it just ignorance and lack of education?
Do you have your mental health credentials handy? Or are you just another liberal on the internet lecturing us on things you know nothing about?

Yes, if Trump voters are so enamored with the left wing approach, they would have voted for Clinton. Perhaps you will simply argue that they were too stupid to know what they really want or what they were really voting for. After all, you guys on the left know whats best, don't you.
 
The right's fascination with Trump as a candidate is not unlike the fascination of a repeatedly battered and abused woman falling for abusive men in their life. They promise her they will love her, they tell her they will make everything great. So they keep falling for them: the Sarah Palins, the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party types, the Koch brothers, and now this. And they keep showing up to work with broken jaws and bruised eye sockets. "But he tells me he loves me, and knows what's best for me", they say. And they keep going back for more punishment. Does it come from poor self-esteem? Or is it just ignorance and lack of education?

Trump Voters Stand to Suffer Most From Obamacare Repeal and a Trade War - NBC News

Sounds as if you've nailed it. There is a term for the above: trauma bonding. I think it applies.
 
Oh yeah? How so? Because they are acting freaked out for having someone running their country who thinks it's OK to grab woman's p****ies whenever he pleases just because he's a celebrity, or because he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax, or because he just wakes up one morning and makes up stuff about a former president wiretapping him just because he feels like it?

I think it would be abnormal NOT to be exhibiting some kind of crazy behavior at someone like that running your country. This is what the mental health professionals worry about when they express concern about this kind of behavior becoming considered normal by society being constantly exposed to it. This is not normal. It's abnormal and highly dysfunctional.

Exactly!
 
Yes, if Trump voters are so enamored with the left wing approach, they would have voted for Clinton. Perhaps you will simply argue that they were too stupid to know what they really want or what they were really voting for.


ummm... yeah, that about sums it up.

Trump Voters Stand to Suffer Most From Obamacare Repeal and a Trade War - NBC News

(notice how we are not hearing a peep these days from the right anymore about how healthcare by federal government is unconstitutional. It's because these Trump voters finally figured out that a nationalized healthcare plan was the best thing that ever happened to them. So they have quietly let all that nonsense go. So now it's no longer about that Cadillac driving welfare queen).

These Trump/Tea Party voters are like a stupid angry bull at the rodeo. Wave that red cape of "darned libruls" and "founding fathers", and you can get them to charge in any direction you like, even to their own death if need be. Look at how many times Trump has flip flopped on all issues, and his supporters follow him all around the ring. It's very amusing to watch.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-flip-flop-president/522840/
 
So it would be normal to NOT act freaked out if a certifiable mental patient is running your country?

Yes, it would be normal not to freak out.
 
ummm... yeah, that about sums it up.

Trump Voters Stand to Suffer Most From Obamacare Repeal and a Trade War - NBC News

(notice how we are not hearing a peep these days from the right anymore about how healthcare by federal government is unconstitutional. It's because these Trump voters finally figured out that a nationalized healthcare plan was the best thing that ever happened to them. So they have quietly let all that nonsense go. So now it's no longer about that Cadillac driving welfare queen).

These Trump/Tea Party voters are like a stupid angry bull at the rodeo. Wave that red cape of "darned libruls" and "founding fathers", and you can get them to charge in any direction you like, even to their own death if need be. Look at how many times Trump has flip flopped on all issues, and his supporters follow him all around the ring. It's very amusing to watch.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/the-flip-flop-president/522840/

Its amusing to you because you don't know what you are talking about and you are speaking for people you don't know and have no right to speak for.
 
Trump's mental health and temperament have been a concern from the moment he declared his interest in running for president. Mental health professionals in particular have been raising red flags on his flagrant narcissism and tenuous relationship with facts from the beginning. But even those who are not mental health professionals always knew there was something not quite right about his outsized personality.

Analysts have focused specifically on the applicability of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which the Mayo Clinic defines by “an inflated sense of [one’s] own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism." The outcomes of even slight criticisms in such individuals can be extremely violent, exaggerated, and often unpredictable, with the critics often facing draconian consequences. One psychologist, Ben Michaelis, called Trump “textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder.” Psychologist George Simon called Trump “so classic that I’m archiving video clips of him to use in my classes and workshops because there’s no better or classic example of this disorder.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/07/trump-and-sociopathy/491966/

But mental health specialists have been averse to speaking out about Trump's "strangeness" because of an old rule they themselves made. Ever since 1973, they have been professionally restrained by something called the Goldwater Rule from commenting on the mental fitness of any person they have not personally examined. Because the rule was established by the American Psychiatric Association (who are MDs-medical doctors), psychologists (who have PhDs) are not expressly forbidden from making public pronouncements about the mental health of public figures. But the American Psychological Association has also affirmed the rule and psychologists generally abide by it.

In recent years, however, especially since the Trump candidacy, mental health experts have begun speaking out against the rule. For psychologist John Gartner, who has over 41,000 professional signatures to a Facebook petition stating that mental health experts have a duty to warn the public of the dangers posed by Trump’s behavior, the rule is obsolete, established before diagnostic criteria abandoned Freudian interpretation in favor of observable behavior.



This has now become a professional dilemma for mental health specialists: do they just let democracy take their course ("We are not the police for society, we just have a responsibility to the individual patient who seeks our services", as one of the few opposed to this view stated at the conference), or should they have an ethical responsibility to society at large to educate them about a clearly very odd and abnormal behavior, with potentially very dangerous consequences? This is a little like the dilemma they face when a patient confides in them that they are going to kill someone or plant a bomb somewhere. Do they violate doctor/patient confidentiality to warn the potential victim or police, or does the privacy of their client come first? Are there times when their duty to society at large should outweigh their professional obligations to an individual patient?

Ya know, I think I fear folks like you far more the the guy in the oval office. :doh
 
I believe many people who have any knowledge at all about mental illness understand that this man is not balanced

I don't know if using one's profession to speak out about him would be a positive at this point

if he gets totally out of hand, and I believe he will, they (his controllers) will force him out and hopefully it won't be too late


What I find interesting is that most Americans understood that Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Jim Jones and Adolf Hitler to name a few were unbalanced to the point that they were incapable leaders, dangerous leaders. We didn't need those people to go through formal analysis to determine mental stability. Now I am not saying that Trump is or will ever be a mass murderer. I will say that his serious instability coupled with his power and responsibility might well cause suffering and/or death for millions of people. Further I would submit that many, probably most, Americans have concerns about Trump's mental health and his ability to do the job.

I have a severe to profound hearing loss. I've had it most of my life. I wear hearing aids. (Thank you, VA) Face to face, one to one or maybe 3 or 4 of us having a conversation I'll probably be able to hear most of what is said. But add background noise, higher pitched women's voice, greater distance between me and the person talking and several other factors and my ability to comprehend what is said decreases rapidly. That is the nature of my disability. Phone conversations vary and are often less than a pleasant experience for me or the poor bastard on the other end trying to talk to me.

Would anyone want me to become a sonar operator? LOL How about a police dispatcher? Would you advocate for me to be hired as a 911 operator? Ah, probably not and with good reason. Suicide hotline? :shock: I doubt it.

At the very least you'd want me to spend quite a bit of time being tested by an audiologist and probably an ENT. Fair enough. You'd want me tested. That's reasonable. That's smart. You probably wouldn't want a person with very limited vision driving a fire truck. You'd want that person tested as well. You would rightly be upset if people actively worked to hide my limitations, and you should be. If I didn't self-identify and I attempted to pass as hearing I could very well endanger the health and safety of many people if became a sonar operator, or a police dispatcher or a 911 operator.

And then there is a president who appears to have serious mental health issues that may affect his competency as President of the United States.
 
Oh yeah? How so? Because they are acting freaked out for having someone running their country who thinks it's OK to grab woman's p****ies whenever he pleases just because he's a celebrity, or because he thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax, or because he just wakes up one morning and makes up stuff about a former president wiretapping him just because he feels like it?

I think it would be abnormal NOT to be exhibiting some kind of crazy behavior at someone like that running your country. This is what the mental health professionals worry about when they express concern about this kind of behavior becoming considered normal by society being constantly exposed to it. This is not normal. It's abnormal and highly dysfunctional.

What makes you think that Trump thinks it is OK to grab woman's ******s whenever he pleases just because he's a celebrity?
 
What I find interesting is that most Americans understood that Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Jim Jones and Adolf Hitler to name a few were unbalanced to the point that they were incapable leaders, dangerous leaders. We didn't need those people to go through formal analysis to determine mental stability. Now I am not saying that Trump is or will ever be a mass murderer. I will say that his serious instability coupled with his power and responsibility might well cause suffering and/or death for millions of people. Further I would submit that many, probably most, Americans have concerns about Trump's mental health and his ability to do the job.
you have said "most" but I fear there are "many" Americans who have no understanding of mental health and really no ability to grasp it

they view it as lefty speak or some type of magical thinking

I believe they are living in the Trump bubble and that they enjoying immense glee at the fear and distress that is apparent and exhibited by most thinking individuals who are aware of just what could happen given the power that Trump appears to have

I have a severe to profound hearing loss. I've had it most of my life. I wear hearing aids. (Thank you, VA) Face to face, one to one or maybe 3 or 4 of us having a conversation I'll probably be able to hear most of what is said. But add background noise, higher pitched women's voice, greater distance between me and the person talking and several other factors and my ability to comprehend what is said decreases rapidly. That is the nature of my disability. Phone conversations vary and are often less than a pleasant experience for me or the poor bastard on the other end trying to talk to me.

Would anyone want me to become a sonar operator? LOL How about a police dispatcher? Would you advocate for me to be hired as a 911 operator? Ah, probably not and with good reason. Suicide hotline? :shock: I doubt it.
sorry about the hearing limitations...your example is very apt and illustrates well the truth of the situation

At the very least you'd want me to spend quite a bit of time being tested by an audiologist and probably an ENT. Fair enough. You'd want me tested. That's reasonable. That's smart. You probably wouldn't want a person with very limited vision driving a fire truck. You'd want that person tested as well. You would rightly be upset if people actively worked to hide my limitations, and you should be. If I didn't self-identify and I attempted to pass as hearing I could very well endanger the health and safety of many people if became a sonar operator, or a police dispatcher or a 911 operator.
yes at the very least

however how could such testing be administered given that mental balance and stability can be subjective when controlled

I am thinking of Orwellian societies as an example...or just plain power to make things appear other than they are

And then there is a president who appears to have serious mental health issues that may affect his competency as President of the United States.

as well as the rest of the world...yes
 
Thank you. A good example of what they are talking about when they say "malignant normality": the adaptation to and normalization of dangerous and highly dysfunctional behavior.

No mental health professional worth his or her salt would make a diagnosis without a complete evaluation. This is nothing more than partisan hackery.
 
I believe many people who have any knowledge at all about mental illness understand that this man is not balanced

I don't know if using one's profession to speak out about him would be a positive at this point

You are correct- probably not. We are, after all, talking about a demographic which is suffering from a rabid level of anti-intellectualism. Whether it's biologists talking about evolutionary biology, or physicists and climate change scientists talking about the climate, or epidemiologists and public health specialists talking about the impact of guns on public safety- all of the evidence, the science, and experience and observations will mean nothing if it goes against their ideology. But if someone says something that agrees with their ideology- why, then Sean Hannity will have more credibility in his little finger than all those professionals and their mountains of data put together. In fact, isn't that why they elected "an outsider", with absolutely no knowledge of or prior experience in government, to run their government? There is a deep mistrust of expertise or professionalism. If the mental health profession comes out with any official statement, it probably won't have any more credibility than a hill of beans. After all, every single scientific academy/society/organization has put out formal statements talking about the dangers of climate change. Has it had any impact? Nope. None at all. This won't be any different.

I am afraid this is going to be one of those situations where we are just going to have to let reality be the best teacher. It's a harsh teacher, but a good one in the end. It's just that these folks are taking the rest of us along on this ride too. We just gotta buckle up and say our prayers.

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
-Isaac Asimov
 
No mental health professional worth his or her salt would make a diagnosis without a complete evaluation. This is nothing more than partisan hackery.

Exactly. They have no idea what he truly believes or why he is acting a certain way. One of the statements the psychiatrists made was that he is delusional, because he thinks his crowd size was bigger than Obama's. Does he truly believe that? Were there motivations different then what the psychiatrists want to ascribe? There are so many things this group can't possibly know without sitting down and discussing with Donald Trump. They can assign any motivation that they want to it, but that is only their perception and their reality... It is not necessarily reality.

What we really learned is there are a bunch of psychiatrists, that would put their politics ahead of everything else.
 
No mental health professional worth his or her salt would make a diagnosis without a complete evaluation. This is nothing more than partisan hackery.

Maybe- but that was probably more true in the past than now. As pointed out in the OP:

But mental health specialists have been averse to speaking out about Trump's "strangeness" because of an old rule they themselves made. Ever since 1973, they have been professionally restrained by something called the Goldwater Rule from commenting on the mental fitness of any person they have not personally examined....

In recent years, however, especially since the Trump candidacy, mental health experts have begun speaking out against the rule. For psychologist John Gartner, who has over 41,000 professional signatures to a Facebook petition stating that mental health experts have a duty to warn the public of the dangers posed by Trump’s behavior, the rule is obsolete, established before diagnostic criteria abandoned Freudian interpretation in favor of observable behavior.
 
Maybe- but that was probably more true in the past than now. As pointed out in the OP:

What is funny.. is if you do a search, you can find many "mental health experts" ascribing mental illness to many past presidents. Obama? Check. Bush? check. It's all BS.

There hae been books written about Obama's supposed mental health problems.. by psychiatrists and psychologists.
 
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