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Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

calamity said:
lol...the irony.
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Its a true fact that china control a lot of different portions of North Korea. SO why all the Hate for the Trump statement?
 
calamity said:
"Korea actually used to be part of China." :doh

No wonder this moron won the election. He's just like most Americans--ignorant as ****.

Furious South Koreans Blast 'Ignorant' Trump For 'Distortion Of History' | The Huffington Post
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"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Korean_history

108 BC: Han Dynasty destroys Wiman Joseon, establishing four commanderies in northern Korean Peninsula.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki
"Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future."

"In this treaty, China recognized the independence of Korea and renounced any claims to that country."



And then there is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Gate

"The Independence Gate (Hangul: 독립문; Hanja: 獨立門) is a memorial gate located in Seoul, South Korea. The gate was built following the First Sino-Japanese War to inspire a spirit of independence away from Korea's previous status as a Chinese tributary state, which was declared by the Treaty of Shimonoseki.[1] It was designed by Soh Jaipil, a Korean political activist.[2]"





#fakenews


splittimng hairs so you can dutifully call him a moron. It's pretty sad when you get all "hes a moron" but turns out to be less ignorant than your post.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Korean_history

108 BC: Han Dynasty destroys Wiman Joseon, establishing four commanderies in northern Korean Peninsula.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki
"Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future."

"In this treaty, China recognized the independence of Korea and renounced any claims to that country."



And then there is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Gate

"The Independence Gate (Hangul: 독립문; Hanja: 獨立門) is a memorial gate located in Seoul, South Korea. The gate was built following the First Sino-Japanese War to inspire a spirit of independence away from Korea's previous status as a Chinese tributary state, which was declared by the Treaty of Shimonoseki.[1] It was designed by Soh Jaipil, a Korean political activist.[2]"





#fakenews


splittimng hairs so you can dutifully call him a moron. It's pretty sad when you get all "hes a moron" but turns out to be less ignorant than your post.
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It is moronic to oversimplify a rather complex relationship between Korea and various invading factions in East Asia as "being part of China."

Duh.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What a stupid post. He's literally giving you a history lesson and this is the best you an muster? It has nothing to do with "defending trump" but historical accuracy.
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I know the history. At no time ever was Korea "part of China."
 
jdog21 said:
Its a true fact that china control a lot of different portions of North Korea. SO why all the Hate for the Trump statement?
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Because Korea is not nor ever was "a part of China." :roll:
 
Korea was conquered by the Han dynasty around 100 BC.
 
calamity said:
I know the history. At no time ever was Korea "part of China."
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You are playing semantic games. two times it was historically "part of china", The goreyau (sp?) area for nearly 100 years and again in the same area later on. han dynasty, and the mongol controlled era. You can disagree and take whatever liberal rag you want to base your opinion on, but to call someone a "moron" over the comment shows your ignorance of the history, not that trump is a "moron".
 
Harshaw said:
Korea was conquered by the Han dynasty around 100 BC.
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So? It was still never "part of China." Poland was conquered by Germany for a minute too. Does that mean Poland was once "part of" Germany?

holbritter said:
I like this comment :“No respectable historian would make such a claim,” said Kyung Moon Hwang, a history professor at the University of Southern California and author of A History of Korea, when I asked him via email to assess Trump’s statement.

Guess what, no one ever claimed Trump was a historian. I'll admit it's not smart to repeat what you thought was being told to you without checking. But one word off could have sealed his fate for his haters.

If Xi said “something like this,” though, it is unlikely that he said anything as strong as Korea being “part of China.” He could have reasonably said something to the effect of, “Korea was once a part of the same empire as China.” That would apply to the Yuan Dynasty, the one set up by the Mongols and ruled by Kublai Khan. Or he may have said, “China once ruled Korea,” which could maybe work for the Han Dynasty. Trump could have then interpreted either of those statements as meaning Korea was “part” of China—which would be wrong, of course. Or maybe there was a translation issue. We’ll probably never know what Xi actually said.

We can probably assume that Trump did not have ideas of his own about this matter of Asian history, and in fact got this notion from Xi. But where would Xi have gotten it? “It’s possible that Xi said something like this, as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades,” added Hwang.
There are two moments in history that come close. The first was under the Han Dynasty, which in the second century BC set up four “commanderies” in the northern part of Korea. These, however, were more like British colonial rule in India, and not a formal union of Chinese and Korean territory. Still, Chinese researchers have tried to argue that this places Korea within “Chinese local history.”
The next moment came in 13th century AD, when the Mongol empire’s global domination happened to include both China and Korea. After a total of seven campaigns to take Korea, the Mongols succeeded, but “even then, the Mongols controlled China more directly than Korea,” said Hwang. Setting aside the controversial question of whether the empire of Mongol invaders counts as “China,” Korea was regardless only a vassal state of the Mongols.

https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-and-korea-trump-makes-false-claim-that-korea-was-part-of-china/
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ReverendHellh0und said:
You are playing semantic games. two times it was historically "part of china", The goreyau (sp?) area for nearly 100 years and again in the same area later on. han dynasty, and the mongol controlled era. You can disagree and take whatever liberal rag you want to base your opinion on, but to call someone a "moron" over the comment shows your ignorance of the history, not that trump is a "moron".
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Semantic games?

Dude, words matter.

I know that accuracy in word usage and historical fact do not matter to Trumpies. But, that just proves my op. Doesn't it?
 
calamity said:
So? It was still never "part of China." Poland was conquered by Germany for a minute too. Does that mean Poland was once "part of" Germany?
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It was part of the empire. :shrug:

Sorry you didn't do enough research.

And, at least half of present-day Poland was, in fact, part of Germany. And not just any old fringe slice of Germany, but Prussia.

Next: calamity tells us that Ireland was never part of the United Kingdom.
 
Harshaw said:
It was part of the empire. :shrug:

Sorry you didn't do enough research.

And, at least half of present-day Poland was, in fact, part of Germany. And not just any old fringe slice of Germany, but Prussia.

Next: calamity tells us that Ireland was never part of the United Kingdom.
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First off, Prussia is not "Germany." And being conquered by Mongols does not mean you're "part of China."
 
calamity said:
First off, Prussia is not "Germany." And being conquered by Mongols does not mean you're "part of China."
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Prussia is about as quintessentially Germany as it gets. Not that it matters, because about a third of Germany - actually Germany, and the areas encompassing Prussia, was sliced off by the Russians and given to Poland. That's after a different chunk was sliced off and given to Poland after WWI. Your grasp of history is abhorrent.

And I didn't say "the Mongols." I said "the Hans." Do you think they're the same? See my sentence re: your grasp of history immediately above.

You started this thread having no idea at all what the history actually was. All you knew was "Trump HAS to be wrong." And now you're rejecting actual history in order to cling to that.
 
calamity said:
So? It was still never "part of China." Poland was conquered by Germany for a minute too. Does that mean Poland was once "part of" Germany?
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But the Han Dynasty conquered them for roughly 200 years. Can't say the same for Nazi's Germany's occupation of Poland. However, the Han Dynasty conquered just the northern part of Korea, not the entire Korean peninsula like Trump stated.
 
ocean515 said:
It has been proved your claim is not true. Why try to re-write history? I would think that a difficult task to accomplish.
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Uh, no.
 
Harshaw said:
Prussia is about as quintessentially Germany as it gets. Not that it matters, because about a third of Germany - actually Germany, and the areas encompassing Prussia, was sliced off by the Russians and given to Poland. That's after a different chunk was sliced off and given to Poland after WWI. Your grasp of history is abhorrent.

And I didn't say "the Mongols." I said "the Hans." Do you think they're the same? See my sentence re: your grasp of history immediately above.

You started this thread having no idea at all what the history actually was. All you knew was "Trump HAS to be wrong." And now you're rejecting actual history in order to cling to that.
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Dude, that's like saying "Germany" destroyed the Roman Empire. Again, details and accurate usage of language matters in these things. I know Trumpies fail to understand that. Hence, their alternative facts universe persists.

Mongols conquered the entire peninsula. Hans barely had a hold of the North.
 
calamity said:
Dude, that's like saying "Germany" destroyed the Roman Empire. Again, details and accurate usage of language matters in these things. I know Trumpies fail to understand that. Hence, their alternative facts universe persists.
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Yeah, they DO matter, and what I said is NOTHING "like" that. Nor do "the Hans" equal "the Mongols," so the word problem is yours, not mine.

You're flailing.
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah, they DO matter, and what I said is NOTHING "like" that. Nor do "the Hans" equal "the Mongols," so the word problem is yours, not mine.

You're flailing.
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Please show where I said the Hans were the Mongols. :roll:
 
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