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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

    It's kinda funny that no one seemed to pick up on this until South Korea said something.

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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    "Korea actually used to be part of China."

    No wonder this moron won the election. He's just like most Americans--ignorant as ****.

    Furious South Koreans Blast 'Ignorant' Trump For 'Distortion Of History' | The Huffington Post
    I guess the boiler rooms and other Progressive Machine operations have another dog whistle topic to get the pack barking over.

    I'm certainly no expert on Korea, but I found the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Korea

    Gojoseon was the first Korean kingdom, located in the north of the peninsula and Manchuria, later alongside the state of Jin in the south of the peninsula.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon

    The historical Gojoseon kingdom was first mentioned in Chinese records in the early 7th century BC.[4] During its early phase, the capital of Gojoseon was located in Liaoning;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaoning

    Liaoning is located in the southern part of Northeast China. In the past, it formed part of Korean kingdoms as Gojoseon,

    Seems to me this all indicates the President's statements were accurate. Wonder why HUFFPO didn't take the time to do a little research themselves?

    Actually, I don't. Objective has always overruled facts in the alt-left media.
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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

    So what? America used to be part of Russia.



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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

    Ok, I dug into this a bit, just to---you know--see if I am missing something. And, the closest thing I can find that resembles anything close to what Trump said was a series of Mongol invasions that eventually led to Korea becoming a vassal state.

    Beginning with Wonjong, for approximately 80 years, Goryeo was a vassal state and compulsory ally of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty. The Mongols and Koreans rulers were also tied by marriages as some Mongol prince and aristocrats married Korean princesses and vice versa. During the reign of Kublai Khan, King Chungnyeol of Goryeo married one of Kublai's daughters. Later, a Korean princess called the Empress Gi became an empress through her marriage with Ukhaantu Khan, and her son, Biligtü Khan of Northern Yuan, became a Mongol Khan. The Kings of Goryeo held an important status like other important families of Mardin, Uyghurs and Mongols (Oirat, Hongirat, and Ikeres).[13] It is claimed that one of Goryeo monarchs was the most beloved grandson of Kublai Khan and had grown up at the Yuan court.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Korea
    Now, does this constitute "Korea as being part of China"? No. Not in the slightest, at least not anymore than, say, the Philippians are part of the US, since the Koreans were still fairly autonomous. Besides, I'm not sure I'd call the Mongolian Hordes "China."

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    I like this comment :“No respectable historian would make such a claim,” said Kyung Moon Hwang, a history professor at the University of Southern California and author of A History of Korea, when I asked him via email to assess Trump’s statement.

    Guess what, no one ever claimed Trump was a historian. I'll admit it's not smart to repeat what you thought was being told to you without checking. But one word off could have sealed his fate for his haters.

    If Xi said “something like this,” though, it is unlikely that he said anything as strong as Korea being “part of China.” He could have reasonably said something to the effect of, “Korea was once a part of the same empire as China.” That would apply to the Yuan Dynasty, the one set up by the Mongols and ruled by Kublai Khan. Or he may have said, “China once ruled Korea,” which could maybe work for the Han Dynasty. Trump could have then interpreted either of those statements as meaning Korea was “part” of China—which would be wrong, of course. Or maybe there was a translation issue. We’ll probably never know what Xi actually said.

    We can probably assume that Trump did not have ideas of his own about this matter of Asian history, and in fact got this notion from Xi. But where would Xi have gotten it? “It’s possible that Xi said something like this, as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades,” added Hwang.
    There are two moments in history that come close. The first was under the Han Dynasty, which in the second century BC set up four “commanderies” in the northern part of Korea. These, however, were more like British colonial rule in India, and not a formal union of Chinese and Korean territory. Still, Chinese researchers have tried to argue that this places Korea within “Chinese local history.”
    The next moment came in 13th century AD, when the Mongol empire’s global domination happened to include both China and Korea. After a total of seven campaigns to take Korea, the Mongols succeeded, but “even then, the Mongols controlled China more directly than Korea,” said Hwang. Setting aside the controversial question of whether the empire of Mongol invaders counts as “China,” Korea was regardless only a vassal state of the Mongols.

    https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-a...part-of-china/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I guess the boiler rooms and other Progressive Machine operations have another dog whistle topic to get the pack barking over.

    I'm certainly no expert on Korea, but I found the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Korea

    Gojoseon was the first Korean kingdom, located in the north of the peninsula and Manchuria, later alongside the state of Jin in the south of the peninsula.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojoseon

    The historical Gojoseon kingdom was first mentioned in Chinese records in the early 7th century BC.[4] During its early phase, the capital of Gojoseon was located in Liaoning;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liaoning

    Liaoning is located in the southern part of Northeast China. In the past, it formed part of Korean kingdoms as Gojoseon,

    Seems to me this all indicates the President's statements were accurate. Wonder why HUFFPO didn't take the time to do a little research themselves?

    Actually, I don't. Objective has always overruled facts in the alt-left media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    I like this comment :“No respectable historian would make such a claim,” said Kyung Moon Hwang, a history professor at the University of Southern California and author of A History of Korea, when I asked him via email to assess Trump’s statement.

    Guess what, no one ever claimed Trump was a historian. I'll admit it's not smart to repeat what you thought was being told to you without checking. But one word off could have sealed his fate for his haters.

    If Xi said “something like this,” though, it is unlikely that he said anything as strong as Korea being “part of China.” He could have reasonably said something to the effect of, “Korea was once a part of the same empire as China.” That would apply to the Yuan Dynasty, the one set up by the Mongols and ruled by Kublai Khan. Or he may have said, “China once ruled Korea,” which could maybe work for the Han Dynasty. Trump could have then interpreted either of those statements as meaning Korea was “part” of China—which would be wrong, of course. Or maybe there was a translation issue. We’ll probably never know what Xi actually said.

    We can probably assume that Trump did not have ideas of his own about this matter of Asian history, and in fact got this notion from Xi. But where would Xi have gotten it? “It’s possible that Xi said something like this, as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades,” added Hwang.
    There are two moments in history that come close. The first was under the Han Dynasty, which in the second century BC set up four “commanderies” in the northern part of Korea. These, however, were more like British colonial rule in India, and not a formal union of Chinese and Korean territory. Still, Chinese researchers have tried to argue that this places Korea within “Chinese local history.”
    The next moment came in 13th century AD, when the Mongol empire’s global domination happened to include both China and Korea. After a total of seven campaigns to take Korea, the Mongols succeeded, but “even then, the Mongols controlled China more directly than Korea,” said Hwang. Setting aside the controversial question of whether the empire of Mongol invaders counts as “China,” Korea was regardless only a vassal state of the Mongols.

    https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-a...part-of-china/
    The above post proves a very important point. Words matter.


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    Re: Trump Proves He's a Typical Ignorant American

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
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