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    Re: Berkeley reverses decision to cancel speech by conservative pundit Ann Coulter

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I do think there's evidence the federal RFRA was created to protect minority religions such as by native tribes. But like many benignly titled laws, a more unwieldy form took over in recent years at the state level, directly in response to the progress that's been made in cities passing anti discrimination laws.

    Chuck Shumer who introduced the federal RFRA said the claim that the indiana version mirrors it is "completely false" and "disingenuous" and "in no way resembles the intent or application of the federal RFRA."

    Here is the relevant pathetically simplistic federal text:

    Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion...Exception...(1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest

    So this has nothing to do with lgbt clearly and no court has allowed it to be used for discrimination, as government does have a compelling interest to prevent that.

    The indiana version is much longer and protects the religious 'expression' of for profit corporations, which is the most preposterous thing ever and not at all in the spirit of protecting religious minorities (section 7.3). Section 9 also makes clear that action can be taken not only when religious expression is actually burdened but when a claimant *feels* that it *could* be burdened (i.e. by the 'gay agenda')

    This is a direct conflict with equal protection, in which the civil rights act protects certain groups but not others. It's nothing more than a license to discriminate. In fact, when the indiana "RFRA" was amended due to the backlash to exclude discrimination, the very groups behind it were displeased. So what does that tell you about the purpose of it all along. The fact is that if the federal and state RFRA were identical, there's no reason for a state version

    And yeah, Scalia never met my intellectual standards
    Right, 'coz Chuck Schumer would never lie through his teeth for political hay. Not Chuck.
    If you feel a need to "reinterpret" the Constitution, you must know that what you want to do is unconstitutional.
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    Re: Berkeley reverses decision to cancel speech by conservative pundit Ann Coulter

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I forgot to add: if the federal and state RFRA were identical, there'd be no need for a state version to come after, except of course politics - to perpetuate us vs them in the same way the state ballots to ban gay marriage did, even where it was already banned, and in the same way Coulter does everything

    She goes out of her way to be divisive as hell and THAT was her purpose of feigning an interest in speaking at Berkeley
    The federal RFRA applies to the federal government only, not the states. So yeah, there's plenty of reason for state RFRAs that are identical to the federal act.
    If you feel a need to "reinterpret" the Constitution, you must know that what you want to do is unconstitutional.
    "AND WHEN THE LAST LAW WAS DOWN, AND THE DEVIL TURNED 'ROUND ON YOU, WHERE WOULD YOU HIDE, ROPER, THE LAWS ALL BEING FLAT?"


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    Re: Berkeley reverses decision to cancel speech by conservative pundit Ann Coulter

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Right, 'coz Chuck Schumer would never lie through his teeth for political hay. Not Chuck.
    hey don't knock chuck now, he's doing a great job for the democrat party, but i think Elizabeth Warren could do better!


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    Re: Berkeley reverses decision to cancel speech by conservative pundit Ann Coulter

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    And yeah, Scalia never met my intellectual standards
    No doubt posters here who have seen you display your profound understanding of constitutional law on these forums will not be surprised to hear that. I don't recall you saying what law school you graduated from, but surely they would not imagine that a dim bulb like Justice Scalia could measure up to you.

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