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Ann Coulter vows to speak at UC Berkeley after school calls off event

and subsequently was uninvited

which tells us she is no longer welcome to speak, according to the authorities who manage the berkeley campus

No, according to the violent, self-appointed thought police who have determined that she isn't welcome there. This is Berkeley giving in to a form of terrorism, which will only encourage it's further use.
 
rabble rouser
no different than the KKK wanting to march in a predominately black community
the purpose is to incite

coulter is able to speak, but not at a locale that has opted not to provide her with a podium to do so
she is Constitutionally welcome to rent/borrow a facility from a willing berkeley locale owner and speak there
and she will also enjoy the opinions of those who disagree with her unless she also arranges to prevent them from occupying her speaking facility

objecting to her being unable to speak on that disapproving campus is little different from objecting to being unable to post hate speech on this forum; a very stupid position to hold and share

No different than a bakery refusing to bake a a cake for homosexual wedding???
 
I agree. Let Ann Coulter spew her stupid ****!

Better yet let everyone say as they like. There is no one I trust for the job of policing conversations, and what's more there is no good reason to do it.
 
What the university is to to do is to deploy police forces in the number required to insure that their students to not employ violence in the project of shutting down speech that they dont like.

My understanding is that it is not the students causing these violent episodes.
 
then you presume that the authorities responsible for managing the berkeley campus are without the authority to deny someone the opportunity to present a speech on that campus
i don't believe that even you would subscribe to such bull****

The decision of those persons was action by the state of California. Do you think a state may restrict speech solely on the basis of its content?
 
My understanding is that it is not the students causing these violent episodes.

The thing about the professional agitators is that there are not many of them, if the students refused to support their actions they could not operate, so while I appreciate your point it does not change my mind.
 
Ann Coulter vows to speak at UC Berkeley - CNN.com


I’ll preface everything by stating that I hate Ann Coulter’s methodology. I view her as the instigator type, that is those who say absurd and outrageous things specifically to elicit an emotional reaction in both supporters and distractors because by doing so, it creates attention, coverage, and sells books. So on some level, I take her as an actor, playing this part in order to make money. Not that there is really anything wrong with making money, but it’s more to do that her style isn’t there to promote any sort of discussion, but rather reaction; a reaction specifically tailored to sell. It’s part and parcel to America’s “drama first” consumption trends these day.

That being said, she should go and seek to make her speech regardless of Berkley because it’s important that we keep free speech open and that we engage in it. Now I do think that the University is between a rock and a hard place. Given the antics as of late, particularly by the Antifa assholes. That organization was, long ago, some anti-fascist organization, but is now the fascists themselves. Terrorists even, on some level, using violence and fear to shut down the free exercise of rights. And so the University now has to look at the safety of their campus and consider what these guys will do. I don’t think the University itself is actively trying to undercut free speech, but that they know that there is going to be violent reaction and they need to time to secure the police force and venue necessary to best protect against it.

But it feels a bit too much like giving into terrorist demands, that by not letting Coulter on campus, it legitimizes their use of violence. This is all wrong. The rights and liberties of the individual, of all individuals, is important and must be upheld. The right to speech and the right to protest alike. But we must abide by the rights of others, and the use of violence to oppose the free exercise of rights cannot be tolerated. But what’s the University to do?

We could just carte blanche increase police protection for these events for the time being. That would cost money, but hopefully we would be driving the system to more reasonable ends in the interim. We could increase policing as well, meaning that we pursue aggressive policing/arresting strategies against groups known to cause violence. Typically for these things the police will stand back somewhat, try to keep the peace, and try to stay out of it unless necessary. This isn’t a bad strategy when rational heads prevail, but as of late rational heads do not seem to be prevailing.

Fundamentally, what is even the cause of this? I think it’s true that we see this sort of violence acted out by “leftist” sides more so than “rightist”, but what happened? Even Berkley back in the day was a champion for Free Speech, and they meant it as such, as an environment where all sides could discuss their ideals and arguments. But it has since moved away, and rather quickly in very recent times. Since the 90’s we have been falling, it seems, into more and more partisan roles. When Reagan and Clinton were in charge, cooperation between the R’s and the D’s wasn’t unheard of. In fact, bipartisanship was often championed (under Clinton it was likely starting to close down, though). But since we have seen, I think, a dramatic shift in the politics and a particular rise in hyper-partisan behavior. To the point now where “bipartisanship” is neigh a dirty word. Is the violence we see now emerging a symptom of that?

Surely Trump is not to blame, per say, but he is certainly a divisive figure, more so than any we’ve had previously. But perhaps that too is a symptom and not the root cause. In fact, I’m inclined to think it is.

Why, then, the sudden shift from open discussion and bipartisan compromise to this inflexible, aggressive, and partisan mindset? How can we fix it?

A very good and thought provoking post Ikari. :thumbs:

Some of this is not new. The Black Panther Party, back in the day, tried to shut down the free speech of white people in Oakland and Berkeley. Demonstrations at UC Berkeley in the 1960s, were mostly anti-establishment, radical and socialistic, bordering on communism. Conservatism and common sense were shouted down. Some of the first riots on student campuses in the US, started there, over radical differences in ideology.
Today, we have millennials going bonkers over Maxine Waters. It doesn't get anymore outrageous than that, the woman is certifiably ignorant, racist and nuts! The first sentence here, tells it all.

Democrats’ all-too-telling love for Maxine Waters | New York Post
 
Jail.

And on the short term, that could be OK. But a permanent fix to the problem will likely require education. I think the goal would be to get to a place where people will protest, but not take to violence.
What we have seen across the country is the Antifa have been allowed to violate rights and even commit acts of violence. First step always...stop the bad behavior. Then we can talk all day long.
 
I really dislike people like Coulter and Milo, but the violence we have seen in response to them at Berkeley is much more troubling. There is nothing wrong with a student protest, but when groups like Anti Fa take advantage of the situation to cause trouble there needs to be immediate push back. Instead of push back all we have seen is people seemingly turning their heads at the violence. I would also like to say that, in my opinion, there is a limit to free speech on campus. If you watch the videos of some of the Trump supporters that have been gathering you will spot multiple white supremacist flags. That is unacceptable behavior on a college campus. I have no problem with Coulter trying to speak. I didn't have a problem when Milo tried to do it either.

I don't know anything about this Milo character, but Coulter makes some very logical, direct and truthful statements, people just don't want to hear it.
 
and subsequently was uninvited

which tells us she is no longer welcome to speak, according to the authorities who manage the berkeley campus
No...she wasnt uninvited. Those that invited her still invited her. The University cancelled their right to hear her and her right to speak. They cite fear...from people they have an expectation of violence from. So is that really how you think this should all work. Should they have shut down civil rights rallies out of fear that it might get ugly? Interesting how leftists...the originators of the KKK and those that demonstrated the will to violate rights...are still hard at it.
 
My strategy would be to stay away and let anyone speak anywhere they are invited. Then they could talk to whoever already agrees with them who attends the event. I would only go to an event if I were truly interested in the topic or the speaker's point of view. Otherwise, let them all talk. Protesting the likes of Milo and Coulter seems a bit of overkill. They are obvious provocateurs looking to get a rise out of certain people. Anyone who already likes them is not going to be swayed by protest nor will it change the point of view of the speaker. People should stop giving them free publicity.

That is exactly what media has done for years. Starting with any liberal Democrat that farted. And many of those were true hacks, like Pelosi, Waters, Shumer, etc. and still are today.
They went out of their way to lavish praise on Obama, like he was some sort of god. They give liberals all the free publicity they could.
That is where Trump and Coulter excel, they beat them at their own game and they are in a tizzy over it.
 
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I would agree with you if Berkeley was a private institution... but it's not... they do not have a say in their speakers, if they open the campus up to speakers.

Ultimately not anyone can use the Berkeley campus, it is still private property just owned by the state. And like I said you do not have right to a platform for your speech.
 
Ultimately not anyone can use the Berkeley campus, it is still private property just owned by the state. And like I said you do not have right to a platform for your speech.

All tax payers have paid for that campus... all tax payers have a right to it's platforms
 
All tax payers have paid for that campus... all tax payers have a right to it's platforms

to use your 'logic', any taxpayer should be able to attend that public university, being vetted only as being a taxpayer
 
That is exactly what media has done for years. Starting with any liberal Democrat that farted. And many of those were true hacks, like Pelosi, Waters, Shumer, etc. and still are today.
They went out of their way to lavish praise on Obama, like he was some sort of god. They give liberals all the free publicity they could.
That is where Trump and Coulter excel, they beat them at their own game and they are in a tizzy over it.

LOL. Your political messiah Trump was a liberal for nearly his entire life until it became convenient for him not to be. The fact that he fooled a bunch of low information right wing dolts into thinking he's some type of conservative champion is on you guys, not liberals. And neither Coulter or Trump have beat anyone at anything other than conning rubes into falling for their garbage race baiting rhetoric.
 
No...she wasnt uninvited. Those that invited her still invited her. The University cancelled their right to hear her and her right to speak. They cite fear...from people they have an expectation of violence from. So is that really how you think this should all work. Should they have shut down civil rights rallies out of fear that it might get ugly? Interesting how leftists...the originators of the KKK and those that demonstrated the will to violate rights...are still hard at it.

"leftists" weren't the originators of the KKK. Why lie about it?
 
"leftists" weren't the originators of the KKK. Why lie about it?

True--it was southern conservatives--no amount of historical revision can ever change that .
 
I suppose that your definition hate speech is now simply anything that liberal forces on or near campus might disapprove of.

that certainly is true with many leftwing students at universities who tolerate their fascist attitudes.
 
I agree. Let Ann Coulter spew her stupid ****!

what exactly is her stupid $()#)#+?

btw her credentials are far higher than most of the leftwinger talking heads that whine about her. Yeah, she is a bomb thrower but that is sometimes needed to blast down the walls of idiocy that the fascist left has constructed.
 
True--it was southern conservatives--no amount of historical revision can ever change that .

The right wing are experts at revisionist history. MLK was a conservative, and so was Abraham Lincoln. The KKK was liberal. These are popular beliefs among right wing circles.
 
what exactly is her stupid $()#)#+?

btw her credentials are far higher than most of the leftwinger talking heads that whine about her. Yeah, she is a bomb thrower but that is sometimes needed to blast down the walls of idiocy that the fascist left has constructed.

She's a product of affirmative action.
 
True--it was southern conservatives--no amount of historical revision can ever change that .

conservatives can be "left" or "right" depending on the current power structure. Stalinists were conservatives in some periods of Russian history but hardly "right wing". Union leadership in the USA was often "conservative" but hardly right wing either. modern "liberalism" in the USA is often reactionary and statist-every problem is met with a pavlovian demand for more government and more taxes.

and often the "right" is progressive as in the case of the founders and now the libertarian movement.
 
The right wing are experts at revisionist history. MLK was a conservative, and so was Abraham Lincoln. The KKK was liberal. These are popular beliefs among right wing circles.

GOP historical revision started in earnest with Rumsfeld and Cheney and their lying war of choice; the one trump supported before he didn't support it .
 
She's a product of affirmative action.

really? she was a top student in HS that earned her admission into a top drawer college-Cornell. At Cornell she earned honors grades and had a very high LSAT score. that got her admission into one of the most prestigious law schools in the USA-U of Michigan (getting into Michigan as a non resident is no easy feat-I know several people admitted to Harvard and two to Yale who did not get into Michigan). At Michigan she made order of the coif and the law review. I don't believe U of M had affirmative action in terms of grades or law review based on grades but she may have had a break getting into Michigan as a woman-that is something I cannot state one way or the other though I know other people with similar resumes from Cornell who got into Michigan and other similar law schools who were male.

Then she was a clerk for the Circuit court of appeals-a normal achievement for a law review editor from a top ten law school. and from that a Justice Dept. Honors Hire.

so that is a pretty good resume for a political commentator-way ahead of most of the others
 
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