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Donald Trump has just double-crossed the American working class

Rogue Valley

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Donald Trump has just double-crossed the American working class

By coddling China, Trump has gone back on his promise to put American jobs first.

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Angry Rust Belt voters, Donald Trump has played you for a fool. You thought Trump was going to fix America’s trade problem. He promised he would put your interests first when it came to trade with China, Mexico and the rest of those countries that are eating our lunch. You thought he was going to bring back all the jobs and make America great again. Surprise! He’s not even going to try. When it comes to trade policy, Trump is just like all the other presidents who while out on the campaign trail promise to defend American jobs, but then change their tune once they are in the White House. The 180-degree switch in Trump’s policy can be traced in a few tweets. In two weeks, he went from talking about what China would give us to talking about what we’d give China.

It wasn’t that Trump had finally figured out that China was no longer manipulating the yuan, it was that Trump no longer cared. As long as there’s a possibility that China will help out with North Korea, who cares about American jobs? “From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.” Well, no. It‘s not “America First,” and the forgotten men and women have been forgotten once more. Oh sure, Trump is still talking about “Buy American, Hire American,” but his rhetoric is hollow, because everyone knows now (especially the Chinese) that Trump won’t put American economic interests first when it comes to negotiating and enforcing trade agreements. Trump has transformed himself not only on trade policy, but on foreign policy writ large. He campaigned on the notion that the people in charge of trade and foreign policy were either corrupt or idiots, quite possibly both. But now Trump is seeing things their way.
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Resurrecting the coal industry? No. 25 million new jobs? No. Getting tough on trade with China? No.

You've been played.
 
they were tired of all the winning, anyway
 
Mac77 said:
Why is an alleged "independent" shilling for the anti trumpsters?
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An attack on me is hardly a working/energetic defense of Trump.
 
I'm confused by your post.

You show Trump shaking hands and you act as though he has GIVEN China something.

But you never state what Trump has GIVEN to China.

Do you see what I mean?

:2usflag:
 
Trump was never really carrying nor competent anyway.
 
Rogue Valley said:
By coddling China, Trump has gone back on his promise to put American jobs first.

Resurrecting the coal industry? No. 25 million new jobs? No. Getting tough on trade with China? No.

You've been played.
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While I am highly critical of Trump, and suspect you will eventually be correct, IMO it's way too early to make this declaration.

Trump is just too unpredictable. He may be friendly to China today, and ready to wage a trade war next week if he doesn't think they are helping with North Korea.
 
Rogue Valley said:
An attack on me is hardly a working/energetic defense of Trump.
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The goal of democrats is to discourage trump supporters and you fit the pattern of constant attacks on trump

I think he will do a good job on trade and bringing jobs back to America is the republicsans in congress go along with his ideas
 
Trump negotiated some help from China on the North Korea situation. Perhaps those on the left would rather let North Korea continue on its current course. Although I can't see why they would.
 
fmw said:
Trump negotiated some help from China on the North Korea situation. Perhaps those on the left would rather let North Korea continue on its current course. Although I can't see why they would.
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Trump received some vague promises about help with NK. There is no indication that they've done anything yet. And again, all it will take is one report on CNN saying that "China isn't doing anything about NK" and we've got a trade war.

Meanwhile, I don't see any evidence that the US has ever managed to convince NK to stop developing nuclear weapons or ICBMs. I for one am not optimistic anything will stop them, as they see it as the ultimate deterrent against a US attack / invasion.
 
Visbek said:
Trump received some vague promises about help with NK. There is no indication that they've done anything yet. And again, all it will take is one report on CNN saying that "China isn't doing anything about NK" and we've got a trade war.

Meanwhile, I don't see any evidence that the US has ever managed to convince NK to stop developing nuclear weapons or ICBMs. I for one am not optimistic anything will stop them, as they see it as the ultimate deterrent against a US attack / invasion.
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You mean no indication that you are aware of.

In fact china is refusing to accept the regular shipments of n korean coal that make up about half of n koreas trade income
 
Mac77 said:
You mean no indication that you are aware of.

In fact china is refusing to accept the regular shipments of n korean coal that make up about half of n koreas trade income
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Yeah, and that carrier group is headed to NK... after it goes to Indonesia first. lol

Diplomatic improvements can take a long long time. It is far too early for anyone to tout any successes, and pushing NK closer to war is hardly a difficult task, let alone an accomplishment.

Meanwhile, China not accepting coal from a nation that basically has almost no energy sources is not exactly immense pressure. When China clamps down on NK leaders purchasing luxury goods via China, let me know.
 
Visbek said:
Yeah, and that carrier group is headed to NK... after it goes to Indonesia first. lol

Diplomatic improvements can take a long long time. It is far too early for anyone to tout any successes, and pushing NK closer to war is hardly a difficult task, let alone an accomplishment.

Meanwhile, China not accepting coal from a nation that basically has almost no energy sources is not exactly immense pressure. When China clamps down on NK leaders purchasing luxury goods via China, let me know.
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Nice deflection but I see the news about n korean coal took you by surprise.

It is significent

Exclusive: North Korean ships head home after China orders coal returned | Reuters
 
Visbek said:
Trump received some vague promises about help with NK. There is no indication that they've done anything yet. And again, all it will take is one report on CNN saying that "China isn't doing anything about NK" and we've got a trade war.
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They sent two ships loaded with coal back to NK. They have added military assets to the NK border. There is no trade war.

Meanwhile, I don't see any evidence that the US has ever managed to convince NK to stop developing nuclear weapons or ICBMs. I for one am not optimistic anything will stop them, as they see it as the ultimate deterrent against a US attack / invasion.
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No doubt about it. If the Chinese can't stop them then military action is the only thing that will.
 
Mac77 said:
Nice deflection but I see the news about n korean coal took you by surprise.
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:roll:

You see wrong, I heard about it days ago. It's not a big deal, and anyone who thinks this will pressure NK into getting rid of nukes is hallucinating.
 
fmw said:
They sent two ships loaded with coal back to NK. They have added military assets to the NK border. There is no trade war.
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Dude? It's been what, 1 week?

It is far too early to declare victory. And again, all it takes is for some CNN or Fox News commentator to blast China for not doing enough, and the trade war will be on.

In case you missed it, Trump is incredible unpredictable, unreliable and fickle. Worse yet, his word isn't worth the air it was exhaled with -- which is how we went from "America First" to "the US must fix Syria and North Korea" overnight.


No doubt about it. If the Chinese can't stop them then military action is the only thing that will.
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Oh, really? You sure about that?

Seoul is 35 miles from the DMZ, and has a population of 10 million. If a bunch of rockets or US soldiers land on NK territory, the KPA will fire an incredible amount of artillery and missiles right at Seoul. The casualty count on both sides would be incredible.

Military action is a non-starter.
 
Visbek said:
Dude? It's been what, 1 week?

It is far too early to declare victory. And again, all it takes is for some CNN or Fox News commentator to blast China for not doing enough, and the trade war will be on.

In case you missed it, Trump is incredible unpredictable, unreliable and fickle. Worse yet, his word isn't worth the air it was exhaled with -- which is how we went from "America First" to "the US must fix Syria and North Korea" overnight.



Oh, really? You sure about that?

Seoul is 35 miles from the DMZ, and has a population of 10 million. If a bunch of rockets or US soldiers land on NK territory, the KPA will fire an incredible amount of artillery and missiles right at Seoul. The casualty count on both sides would be incredible.

Military action is a non-starter.
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Dude, who declared victory? I simply corrected some misinformation in your post. What you call fickle and unpredictable could also be described as flexible. I served in the military near the DMZ. I understand the situation there very well. I didn't support military action. I said that, if the Chinese can't stop the North Koreans then only military action would stop them. You are arguing against things I didn't say. So I'll move on.
 
Visbek said:
:roll:

You see wrong, I heard about it days ago. It's not a big deal, and anyone who thinks this will pressure NK into getting rid of nukes is hallucinating.
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North Korea cannot survive on its own recourses alone.

Without foreign currency from china it cannot buy other things that it needs.
 
lurchadams said:
If it's not NewsMax, Drudge, or Breitbart it's fake news. <sarcasm>
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Its just one wacko lib's opinion who happens to have a headline.

Big deal
 
I've known about Donald Trump for 30+ years. He's a conman and he only cares about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's wealth.

He don't care about the Middle Class, the coalminers, manufacturing, nothing but Donald Trump.

So yeah, the people who voted for him were played. Anyone who seriously expected a billionaire real estate tycoon from Manhattan to be 'anti elitist' and a 'populist' is being seriously delusional. I'd love to gloat but unfortunately the people who voted for Trump and their naivety about him is going to cost us ALL, and do much harm to this country.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I've known about Donald Trump for 30+ years. He's a conman and he only cares about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's wealth.

He don't care about the Middle Class, the coalminers, manufacturing, nothing but Donald Trump.

So yeah, the people who voted for him were played. Anyone who seriously expected a billionaire real estate tycoon from Manhattan to be 'anti elitist' and a 'populist' is being seriously delusional. I'd love to gloat but unfortunately the people who voted for Trump and their naivety about him is going to cost us ALL, and do much harm to this country.
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Are there any genuine politicians that you can point out for us?
 
Mac77 said:
The goal of democrats is to discourage trump supporters and you fit the pattern of constant attacks on trump
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Why would I deign to belong to either corrupt party? No thanks.

Unless Trump releases his tax returns and establishes a true blind trust, we're just not gonna get along at all.
 
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