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Are the NKoreans are crazy fanatics, perhaps you should educate yourself

Getting smashed in the other thread and had to go cry in another? Cute.

You're the guy "defending RT times as being as good as or better than PBS or BBC in it's unbiased reporting"?
 
You're the guy "defending RT times as being as good as or better than PBS or BBC in it's unbiased reporting"?

I've stated that all media has bias. RT has an obvious Russian bias, the MSMs have their own biases, western media will have western bias, talk radio has it's own bias. More perspectives > less perspectives. RT isn't a threat to anyone. They are barely a blip on the radar of the propaganda that we are subjected to on a daily basis from both left and right leaning sources. No more, no less.

poweBob just can't handle factual statements and has to create stawman fallacies.

No, RT isn't as good as PBS and BBC. They are less good at propaganda and do it a bit more openly and they also don't have nearly as good production quality and their anchors are pretty bad. Production wise, they are about on par with our local stations, perhaps less so.
 
No, RT isn't as good as PBS and BBC. They are less good at propaganda and do it a bit more openly and they also don't have nearly as good production quality and their anchors are pretty bad. Production wise, they are about on par with our local stations, perhaps less so.

Wait a minute. You think RT, PBS and the BBC engage in similar amounts of propaganda?

Are you defining propaganda as spreading known falsehoods or just as bias in general?
 
Wait a minute. You think RT, PBS and the BBC engage in similar amounts of propaganda?

Are you defining propaganda as spreading known falsehoods or just as bias in general?

Not similar amounts, but I believe most media does it to such a level that it almost become irrelevant. But even then, there are some doozies out there. For example, if you were to ask the average person who invaded who first in the Russian-Georgia conflict, almost everyone would say Russia. This is not factually correct. Georgia was the first to invade and then they got slapped down.

That aside, there is bias that is so strong that they unknowingly will spread falsehoods. I think this is reaching epidemic levels in the MSMs. You have to look no further than who is reporting what here. Again, I'm willing to entertain some examples of RT being ridiculous in their propaganda. I've only watched them a few times, when it comes up on youtube or some link to youtube.

How often have you watched RT? Maybe you have more experience with them so you have a better perspective. Do you watch them a few times a week, once a week, bi-weekly, once a month? How often do you watch it so I can understand the breadth of your experience with them.
 
Not similar amounts, but I believe most media does it to such a level that it almost become irrelevant. But even then, there are some doozies out there. For example, if you were to ask the average person who invaded who first in the Russian-Georgia conflict, almost everyone would say Russia. This is not factually correct. Georgia was the first to invade and then they got slapped down.

That aside, there is bias that is so strong that they unknowingly will spread falsehoods. I think this is reaching epidemic levels in the MSMs. You have to look no further than who is reporting what here. Again, I'm willing to entertain some examples of RT being ridiculous in their propaganda. I've only watched them a few times, when it comes up on youtube or some link to youtube.

How often have you watched RT? Maybe you have more experience with them so you have a better perspective. Do you watch them a few times a week, once a week, bi-weekly, once a month? How often do you watch it so I can understand the breadth of your experience with them.

I've seen plenty of absurd articles from RT. It is not like PBS or BBC. It is directly fed articles by a corrupt regime which also controls editing and all material. Totally different.
 
I've seen plenty of absurd articles from RT. It is not like PBS or BBC. It is directly fed articles by a corrupt regime which also controls editing and all material. Totally different.

So how often do you watch or read RT? Plenty isn't really that specific. I could say plenty but I've only watched some youtube stuff but probably more than most people. I still wouldn't put it at a level were I could assess it. So I'm guessing you read and watch their stuff all the time to get your more robust perspective. So how often to you consume their product?
 
Fun story: A fraternity brother of mine was in the army, stationed in SK for a bit. They got their hands on some Nork propaganda videos -- apparently, these things are hilarious. Things like Kim Jong Il (he was still alive then) throwing knives through cinder block walls and stuff like that. I'm fairly certain most people in NK pretend to believe the hype so they don't get disappeared, because most of it is so ridiculous that no sane person could buy it, even if they'd been indoctrinated by it their entire lives.

The younger generation is a lot less brainwashed, at least those not living in pyongyang. Those who do live there avoid the pirated foreign stuff at all cost, as if they're caught, their whole family may be removed from the capital. But since china does a lot of trading and things are digital now, more gets in

But it's like china itself tries desperately to censor info about tienamen, yet even the students there now who were born after the slaughter do know about it. Censorship is a hopeless enterprise any more
 
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What we have above is a screen-grab from a video uploaded to YouTube by the RT YT Channel. RT was filming a story on Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visiting the Hmeimim airbase in Latakia province which is Russia's primary Syria airbase. What the RT cameraman failed to realize is that his video footage included munitions attached to weapon-pylons under the wing of a Russian SU-34 attack jet. The munitions are clearly marked (Cyrillic) RBK-500 ZAB-2.5SM. These particular bombs are packed with incendiary submunitions containing thermite that ignite when falling. Thermite is the hottest burning man-made substance in the world. Such incendiary munitions are restricted by international convention. As soon as the blunder was discovered, RT removed the video, excised the frames showing the munitions, and then re-uploaded. Too late though. Screen-grabs had already captured the illegal munitions. This is precisely the sort of dishonesty that the Kremlin-owned RT regularly engages in.
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-1953/&usg=AFQjCNF94uwNL6x4QSHDOML4qYtIIZGO0A

The fact is the history of both Korea and Viet Nam are much different than we have been told. The freedom of the people and their rights to self determination were secondary to the desires of the banking and military establishments to expand their web of exploitation. Read the article and see how much history you really know. Like the fact that the US intentionally used incendiary bombs including napalm to exterminate between 20 - 30% of the North Korean civilian population. Or the fact that the US and its puppet government were the ones who actually started hostilities with every intention of starting war.

North korea is a true authoritarian regime, unlike others we have framed in the past. But they are also a true threat, had it been like anyone else we would have invaded them already, the fact that they hold south korea hostage through the largest stockpile of artillery on earth says they are not rational and have zero regard for human rights.

North korea though has very little known except from the few who managed to escape. They are extremely secretive, and any tourists there can only do and see what the govt allows them. That country will also jail foreigners for things like having a bible, talking to anyone not govt approved, and many other dumb things.

Heck from what I have heard so far from defectors statements, north korean govt tells their people that they are the richest people on eartch, followed by china, and that america and europe are so poor and starving that they need to capture and eat pigeons to survive.
 
And you believe what? That Korea should've been left with the Japanese after WW2? Or that the Soviet Union, and thus the Kim family, should've been given the entire Korean peninsula? That the suffering of the North Korean people should be ignored because the US played a role?

The fact is that both Kim il sung and Ho chi minh were allies during WW2 and fought with the US against the Japanese to free their occupied homelands in the understanding that their allies supported them and that following the war their countries would be free and sovereign. Both countries were betrayed by the US and the US went so far as to instill a brutal and murderous government in S Korea.

Had the US kept its promises and supported the sovereignty of Korea after WW2, Korea would probably be as peaceful as Viet Nam is today.
 
North korea is a true authoritarian regime, unlike others we have framed in the past. But they are also a true threat, had it been like anyone else we would have invaded them already, the fact that they hold south korea hostage through the largest stockpile of artillery on earth says they are not rational and have zero regard for human rights.

North korea though has very little known except from the few who managed to escape. They are extremely secretive, and any tourists there can only do and see what the govt allows them. That country will also jail foreigners for things like having a bible, talking to anyone not govt approved, and many other dumb things.

Heck from what I have heard so far from defectors statements, north korean govt tells their people that they are the richest people on eartch, followed by china, and that america and europe are so poor and starving that they need to capture and eat pigeons to survive.

Do you really believe there is something in their soil which drives them crazy? The fact is that the country is paranoid because the most powerful country in the world has been hell bent on destroying them and has actively done everything they could do to crush them since their inception. Are you aware that the US killed nearly a third of all civilian's in N Korea ON PURPOSE. The atrocities the US committed on the Koreans would have made Hitler and Stalin blush. You really need to educate yourself.
 
The fact is that both Kim il sung and Ho chi minh were allies during WW2 and fought with the US against the Japanese to free their occupied homelands in the understanding that their allies supported them and that following the war their countries would be free and sovereign. Both countries were betrayed by the US and the US went so far as to instill a brutal and murderous government in S Korea.

Had the US kept its promises and supported the sovereignty of Korea after WW2, Korea would probably be as peaceful as Viet Nam is today.

Kim Il-sung spent most of WW2 in China and the USSR. That aside, you're wiilfully ignoring the fact the Soviets and Chinese had as much to do with the partition of Korea as the US did. They too installed a brutal and murderous government, and yet South Korea became a wealth and peaceful democracy, despite US influence, whereas NK still languishes well behind in every measurable aspect. Communism and the Kim dynasty are the problem with North Korea, not the actions of the US post-WW2.
 
Are you aware that the US killed nearly a third of all civilian's in N Korea ON PURPOSE. The atrocities the US committed on the Koreans would have made Hitler and Stalin blush. You really need to educate yourself.

Are you aware that your claim is completely full of crap? By "educate yourself", one can only presume you mean reading wackjob anti-US blogs created for terrorist Imams and Unabombers.

There were numerous atrocities and massacres of civilians throughout the Korean war committed by both the North and South Koreans. Many started on the first days of the war. South Korean President Syngman Rhee ordered the Bodo League massacre on 28 June,[125][333][334] beginning numerous killings of more than 100,000 suspected leftist sympathizers and their families by South Korean officials and right-wing groups.[335][336] During the massacre, the British protested to their allies and saved some citizens.[335][336]

In occupied areas, North Korean Army political officers purged South Korean society of its intelligentsia by executing every educated person—academic, governmental, religious—who might lead resistance against the North; the purges continued during the NPA retreat.[31] When the North Koreans retreated north in September 1950, they abducted tens of thousands of South Korean men. The reasons are not clear, but the intention might have been to acquire skilled professionals to the North.[337]

In addition to conventional military operations, North Korean soldiers fought the UN forces by infiltrating guerrillas among refugees. These soldiers disguised as refugees would approach UN forces asking for food and help, then open fire and attack. U.S. troops acted under a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" policy against any civilian refugee approaching U.S. battlefield positions,[338] a policy that led U.S. soldiers to kill an estimated 400 civilians at No Gun Ri (26–29 July 1950) in central Korea because they believed some of the refugees to be North Korean soldiers in disguise.[339] The South Korean Truth and Reconciliation Commission defended this policy as a "military necessity".[340]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Civilian_deaths_and_massacres

Wikipedia > your wackjob blog
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-1953/&usg=AFQjCNF94uwNL6x4QSHDOML4qYtIIZGO0A

The fact is the history of both Korea and Viet Nam are much different than we have been told. The freedom of the people and their rights to self determination were secondary to the desires of the banking and military establishments to expand their web of exploitation. Read the article and see how much history you really know. Like the fact that the US intentionally used incendiary bombs including napalm to exterminate between 20 - 30% of the North Korean civilian population. Or the fact that the US and its puppet government were the ones who actually started hostilities with every intention of starting war.

Let's, for the sake of argument, accept everything you said. How does that change the realities that exist in North Korea now? That country is one giant mess of propagandized and ignorant people by design of a ridiculously oppressive regime.
 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-1953/&usg=AFQjCNF94uwNL6x4QSHDOML4qYtIIZGO0A

The fact is the history of both Korea and Viet Nam are much different than we have been told. The freedom of the people and their rights to self determination were secondary to the desires of the banking and military establishments to expand their web of exploitation. Read the article and see how much history you really know. Like the fact that the US intentionally used incendiary bombs including napalm to exterminate between 20 - 30% of the North Korean civilian population. Or the fact that the US and its puppet government were the ones who actually started hostilities with every intention of starting war.

I insist you read this article...
LONG READ: Yeonmi Park, a young woman who fled North Korea after seeing friends and family tortured and killed, tells her harrowing story


Yeonmi Park was nine years old when she was invited to watch her best friend’s mother be shot.
Growing up in North Korea, Yeonmi had seen executions before. She remembers her mother piggy*backing her to public squares and sports stadiums to watch the spectacles used by Kim Jong-il’s Workers’ Party to silence even the slightest whisper of dissent.
But this killing lodged in her mind. Yeonmi watched in horror as the woman she knew was lined up alongside eight other prisoners and her sentence was read out. Her crime was having watched South Korean films and lending the DVDs to friends. Her punishment in this most paranoid of dictatorships was death by firing squad.
Escape from North Korea: 'How I escaped horrors of life under Kim Jong-il' - Telegraph

A North Korean defector has told how he was forced to eat snakes and the bark from trees to live after his family fell foul of the country's crazed leader.
Sungju Lee faced a daily struggle to survive and ended up becoming a 'teenage gangster' who lived on the streets from the age of 12 after being abandoned by his parents.
Brainwashed into believing Britain and other western countries were 'evil', the teenager lived in constant fear of being executed or sent to a detention camp where almost everyone died from starvation.


Read more: 12 year old boy who escaped North Korea recalls his time there | Daily Mail Online
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SEOUL -- In Camp No. 14, the North Korean political prison where Shin Dong-hyuk was born and where he says he watched the hanging of his mother, inmates never saw a picture of Kim Jong Il.

"I had no idea who he is," Shin said, referring to the leader whose photograph is displayed nearly everywhere in North Korea.

Inmates did not need to know the face of their "Dear Leader," as Kim is called. Behind electrified fences, they tended pigs, tanned leather, collected firewood and labored in mines until they died or were executed.
North Korean Prison Camp Escapee Tells of Horrors, Worries About Those Left Behind

You were saying "jdog"?
 
Kim Il-sung spent most of WW2 in China and the USSR. That aside, you're wiilfully ignoring the fact the Soviets and Chinese had as much to do with the partition of Korea as the US did. They too installed a brutal and murderous government, and yet South Korea became a wealth and peaceful democracy, despite US influence, whereas NK still languishes well behind in every measurable aspect. Communism and the Kim dynasty are the problem with North Korea, not the actions of the US post-WW2.

Actually, it was the US who proposed the division of Korea, despite the fact that Korea was already forming its own government. In hindsight, it was a mistake for Russia and China to agree to it, but they were concerned with keeping a buffer zone on their own borders.
 
Let's, for the sake of argument, accept everything you said. How does that change the realities that exist in North Korea now? That country is one giant mess of propagandized and ignorant people by design of a ridiculously oppressive regime.

It does not change the situation, but in order to intelligently deal with any situation, you must do so from a position of knowledge in which you understand how the situation was created to begin with. In addition, unless you want to recreate the situation repeatedly you need to cease the behavior which creates the problem to begin with..
 
Actually, it was the US who proposed the division of Korea, despite the fact that Korea was already forming its own government. In hindsight, it was a mistake for Russia and China to agree to it, but they were concerned with keeping a buffer zone on their own borders.

But they still agreed. And both the Communists and the US ignored those in North and South Korea who were making the way for peaceful independence (the likes of Cho Man-sik, murdered by the Kim regime, and Lyuh Woon-hyung, murdered by a North Korean) in favour of those who would fulfill ideological goals.

The Kim regime, and all the evils it perpetuates on the Korean people is a result of Soviet and Chinese actions, not the US.
 
But they still agreed. And both the Communists and the US ignored those in North and South Korea who were making the way for peaceful independence (the likes of Cho Man-sik, murdered by the Kim regime, and Lyuh Woon-hyung, murdered by a North Korean) in favour of those who would fulfill ideological goals.

The Kim regime, and all the evils it perpetuates on the Korean people is a result of Soviet and Chinese actions, not the US.

Not true. The Kim regime is the result of 70 years of the US trying endlessly to destroy NK. Do you realize that the US purposely targeted civilian cities, towns, and villi gages for total destruction? Our policy since the war has been one of complete aggression in trying to starve the country with occasional victories in doing so.
 
Not true. The Kim regime is the result of 70 years of the US trying endlessly to destroy NK. Do you realize that the US purposely targeted civilian cities, towns, and villi gages for total destruction? Our policy since the war has been one of complete aggression in trying to starve the country with occasional victories in doing so.

No, the Kim regime is the result of the Soviets setting up horrifically awful puppet states after WW2, and the Chinese intervening to keep it propped up.

Gee bud, what do you think happens when a dictator tries to shield his industry with his own people? The US strategic bombing campaign was highly effective in reducing the Norks' combat effectiveness.

Gee, did US commandos cross the border and try to assassinate the North Korean premier? Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid
 
No, the Kim regime is the result of the Soviets setting up horrifically awful puppet states after WW2, and the Chinese intervening to keep it propped up.

Gee bud, what do you think happens when a dictator tries to shield his industry with his own people? The US strategic bombing campaign was highly effective in reducing the Norks' combat effectiveness.

Gee, did US commandos cross the border and try to assassinate the North Korean premier? Nope.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_House_raid

.S. Air Force, bombed and napalmed cities, towns and villages across the North. The bombing was merciless, even by the assessment of America’s own leaders. “Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,” Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed “everything that moved in North Korea.

To the rest of the world, the US government is more guilty of war crimes than Hitler and Stalin combined.
 
.S. Air Force, bombed and napalmed cities, towns and villages across the North. The bombing was merciless, even by the assessment of America’s own leaders. “Over a period of three years or so, we killed off — what — 20 percent of the population,” Air Force Gen. Curtis LeMay, head of the Strategic Air Command during the Korean War, told the Office of Air Force History in 1984. Dean Rusk, a supporter of the war and later secretary of state, said the United States bombed “everything that moved in North Korea.

To the rest of the world, the US government is more guilty of war crimes than Hitler and Stalin combined.

Guess what buddy? That's what happens when you place military and industrial targets next to civilians in a cynical attempt to shield them.

Boo ****ing hoo. The North Koreans invaded the South; they got what was coming to them. Only Kim Jong Un fanboys like you have a problem with that.

The rest of the world thinks nothing of the sort. Only your masters in North Korea think that, and the rest of the world despises North Korea.

"More war crimes than Hitler and Stalin combined".

I don't know how you type such utter bull**** with a straight face.
 
Guess what buddy? That's what happens when you place military and industrial targets next to civilians in a cynical attempt to shield them.

Boo ****ing hoo. The North Koreans invaded the South; they got what was coming to them. Only Kim Jong Un fanboys like you have a problem with that.

The rest of the world thinks nothing of the sort. Only your masters in North Korea think that, and the rest of the world despises North Korea.

"More war crimes than Hitler and Stalin combined".

I don't know how you type such utter bull**** with a straight face.

You seem to have some kind of learning disability. We used inhuman means to purposefully murder civilians. What part of that do you not understand.
 
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