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Killing Indians for Oil

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Today, we pretend to be much more civilized. We show up with court orders and such to push the Indians out of the way when a pipeline needs to be laid or money needs to be made. But, back in 1920, murder was the go-to method to get what you wanted.

I'm not sure we've evolved too far beyond that, but we probably think we have.

In his new book, Killers of the Flower Moon, David Grann describes how white people in the area conspired to kill Osage members in order steal their oil wealth, which could only be passed on through inheritance. "This was a culture of complicity," he says, "and it was allowed to go on for so long because so many people were part of the plot. You had lawmen, you had prosecutors, you had the reporters who wouldn't cover it. You had oilmen who wouldn't speak out. You had morticians who would cover up the murders when they buried the body. You had doctors who helped give poison to people."

In The 1920s, A Community Conspired To Kill Native Americans For Their Oil Money : NPR
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calamity said:
Today, we pretend to be much more civilized. We show up with court orders and such to push the Indians out of the way when a pipeline needs to be laid or money needs to be made. But, back in 1920, murder was the go-to method to get what you wanted.

I'm not sure we've evolved too far beyond that, but we probably think we have.
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This modern world is built by monsters for monsters, and all the good are buried underneath the endless waves of selfishness, corruption, and blood money.
 
Fritz said:
This modern world is built by monsters for monsters, and all the good are buried underneath the endless waves of selfishness, corruption, and blood money.
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Don't fall off the edge.
 
Fritz said:
This modern world is built by monsters for monsters, and all the good are buried underneath the endless waves of selfishness, corruption, and blood money.
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That is what we should be teaching kids...
 
calamity said:
Today, we pretend to be much more civilized. We show up with court orders and such to push the Indians out of the way when a pipeline needs to be laid or money needs to be made. But, back in 1920, murder was the go-to method to get what you wanted.

I'm not sure we've evolved too far beyond that, but we probably think we have.
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Looks like we were both listening to NPR on the drive home today.
 
Allie Reynolds was a member of the Creek nation that was as a whole rounded up & herded to Oklahoma
during the infamous 'Trail Of Tears' as a child and a Yankee fan my dad remarked to me that Reynolds
became a rich man not playing ball for the Yankees but because of the oil on his Oklahoma land holdings.
He played in the 1950's so apparently no one stoled anything from him & the fact that the Creeks were driven
from their ancestrial homes brutally it turned out pretty well for a portion of them
 
slick said:
Allie Reynolds was a member of the Creek nation that was as a whole rounded up & herded to Oklahoma
during the infamous 'Trail Of Tears' as a child and a Yankee fan my dad remarked to me that Reynolds
became a rich man not playing ball for the Yankees but because of the oil on his Oklahoma land holdings.
He played in the 1950's so apparently no one stoled anything from him & the fact that the Creeks were driven
from their ancestrial homes brutally it turned out pretty well for a portion of them
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Somebody has to win the lottery.
 
Fritz said:
This modern world is built by monsters for monsters, and all the good are buried underneath the endless waves of selfishness, corruption, and blood money.
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It's rather disheartening to know that the only way we can fuel our modern world is by pulling poison out of the ground. Once a society makes that Faustian bargain...all bets are off.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is what we should be teaching kids...
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Not exactly, but they should learn about the selfishness of societies and how to rise above it. The future generations are the going to be the ones in control of the world in time, just like all generations coming and going.
 
calamity said:
It's rather disheartening to know that the only way we can fuel our modern world is by pulling poison out of the ground. Once a society makes that Faustian bargain...all bets are off.
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I sadly agree, and the selfishness of humanity will have its consequences. It is actually twistingly comforting to know that nature always wins, and society will eventually realize that. The sun will swallow this planet in millions of years from now, but global warming might hit us before the sun can finish the job.
 
Fritz said:
I sadly agree, and the selfishness of humanity will have its consequences. It is actually twistingly comforting to know that nature always wins, and society will eventually realize that. The sun will swallow this planet in millions of years from now, but global warming might hit us before the sun can finish the job.
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That Indians will turn out to have been right: clean air and water are our most valuable resource; I have no doubt.
 
Fritz said:
Not exactly, but they should learn about the selfishness of societies and how to rise above it. The future generations are the going to be the ones in control of the world in time, just like all generations coming and going.
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How are going generations going to be the ones in control of the world in the future (in time)?
 
They're not Indians. Indians are from India. They are Native Americans.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
They're not Indians. Indians are from India. They are Native Americans.
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American Indians are proud of the name.

Some American Indians prefer the term American Indian over Native American for specific reasons. Lakota activist Russell Means has noted that “the American Indian is the only ethnic group in the United States with the American before our ethnicity” and prefers to use that term because he knows its origins.

American Indian vs. Native American: A note on terminology - Teaching about North Carolina American Indians
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Abbazorkzog said:
They're not Indians. Indians are from India. They are Native Americans.
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No. Native American is offensive. They are Crow... Apache... Seminole... etc.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No. Native American is offensive. They are Crow... Apache... Seminole... etc.
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I would take Native American over "Indian" but "they" hail from "nations" some of which were larger than the entire US Northeast. If we are to be fair and treat all the same, then the guy from St'lo nation should be referred to the same as Europeans, by which nation they are from.
There is no such place on this globe named "east India", and in fact the term itself demonstrates the utter ignorance and stupidity Columbus, who technically lost at sea and rescued by Americans"
And he discovered nothing. In all of his maps, his logs notes, his naming convention, his descriptions etc. not one thing did he get right.

We erect statues for the deeds of Lewis and Clark, but had it not been for Shoshone Sacagawea they'd never have made it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I would take Native American over "Indian" but "they" hail from "nations" some of which were larger than the entire US Northeast. If we are to be fair and treat all the same, then the guy from St'lo nation should be referred to the same as Europeans, by which nation they are from.
There is no such place on this globe named "east India", and in fact the term itself demonstrates the utter ignorance and stupidity Columbus, who technically lost at sea and rescued by Americans"
And he discovered nothing. In all of his maps, his logs notes, his naming convention, his descriptions etc. not one thing did he get right.

We erect statues for the deeds of Lewis and Clark, but had it not been for Shoshone Sacagawea they'd never have made it.
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I think yo meant "West" India.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I would take Native American over "Indian" but "they" hail from "nations" some of which were larger than the entire US Northeast. If we are to be fair and treat all the same, then the guy from St'lo nation should be referred to the same as Europeans, by which nation they are from.
There is no such place on this globe named "east India", and in fact the term itself demonstrates the utter ignorance and stupidity Columbus, who technically lost at sea and rescued by Americans"
And he discovered nothing. In all of his maps, his logs notes, his naming convention, his descriptions etc. not one thing did he get right.

We erect statues for the deeds of Lewis and Clark, but had it not been for Shoshone Sacagawea they'd never have made it.
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I blame the white man...
 
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