Lets help Independents get on the Ballot

Getting the 100 or so signatures to get on the ballot isn't easy...

Don't ask friends or you will have fewer of 'em.

It's like asking for peoples first born to have them sign the nominations papers.

We need a centralized forum where aspiring candidates can ask for help with this stupid restriction.

Only people that belong to organizations have no problem with the signature requirement.

Lets face it the Powers That Be don't want honest politicians... Not for a second.

If you can't get 100 signatures, how do you expect to be a viable candidate where you need millions, not to mention campaign funds.

If it's easier for your guy, then it's easier for the ten million other guys who's like to run.

When Gray Davis was re called in California in 2003, there was 135 candidates, only four of whom broke the 1% of vote total threshold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_gubernatorial_recall_election#Recall_election

That is basically what a third party independent is faced with.

I think the only way to fundamentally change our system enough to allow third parties a chance is to implement ranked choice voting. It would instantly obliterate the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy and people could just vote for the people that they support the most instead of trying to play off other people's decisions.

chuckiechan said:

If you can't get 100 signatures, how do you expect to be a viable candidate where you need millions, not to mention campaign funds.

If it's easier for your guy, then it's easier for the ten million other guys who's like to run.

When Gray Davis was re called in California in 2003, there was 135 candidates, only four of whom broke the 1% of vote total threshold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_gubernatorial_recall_election#Recall_election

That is basically what a third party independent is faced with.

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You couldn't be more wrong. The 100 signatures doesn't prevent the totally corrupts from running.

Having just a few pathetic candidates is far worse than too many well qualified (honest) candidates.

Those numbers are lower for civic elections (like 4)

Anybody is better than what the Chamber of Commerce and their like that currently crowd the ballot.
The CofC running forums is just pathetic as well. The forums end up being all about their issues.

SpectateSwamp said:

Getting the 100 or so signatures to get on the ballot isn't easy...

Don't ask friends or you will have fewer of 'em.

It's like asking for peoples first born to have them sign the nominations papers.

We need a centralized forum where aspiring candidates can ask for help with this stupid restriction.

Only people that belong to organizations have no problem with the signature requirement.

Lets face it the Powers That Be don't want honest politicians... Not for a second.

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We have independents in Congress, they usually caucus with the Democrats, why is this?

So let us not have Independent in place of Democrat, but Independent where otherwise it would be Reprobate.

Fake independents run all the time

Exquisitor said:

We have independents in Congress, they usually caucus with the Democrats, why is this?

So let us not have Independent in place of Democrat, but Independent where otherwise it would be Reprobate.

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So You don't think that the main parties would run "fake independents" just to improve their chances of winning power?

No crooked politician can make jokes like this:
The fruit growers and farmers wanted to know what we would do / suggest to improve their situation.
We live in a community with one of the highest average ages in Canada.
Plant more soft fruit and prunes.

The Chamber of Commerce will try and flood the forums with independents

For sure the main problem with Democracy is the Chamber of Commerce.

When we build an app to help candidates get the signatures required to run. We must identify CofC vs non CofC candidates.

They have off-shored and out-sourced everything in their quest for more and more. At any other time they would be charged with treason.

Re: The Chamber of Commerce will try and flood the forums with independents

Ballot access is surely a problem.

But the Democin / Republicrat political duopoly basically has a lock.

3rd party victories like Governor Jesse Ventura are rare.

Lets help Independents get on the Ballot

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RA #3 beat me to it.

It's also known as "instant run-off" voting.

Some say Condorset voting is even better. But I don't understand it well enough to describe it.

Sitting on Your hands doing nothing won't accomplish anything - HELP INDEPENDENTS

sear said:

Ballot access is surely a problem.


It's also known as "instant run-off" voting.

Some say Condorset voting is even better. But I don't understand it well enough to describe it.

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Access isn't the problem.. The quality of candidates is. Most of those that get on the ballot would not be in my circle of friends.
I'm all for any system that would give us a choice of Honest and Conscientious candidates.
I don't see it as problem having hundreds of candidates running.. Far better than those few preselected by the CofC

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"I'm all for any system that would give us a choice of Honest and Conscientious candidates." SS #9

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Governor Carter (D-GA) is an honest, conscientious man.
And the electorate chose him after the un-elected President Ford pardoned the ruthless crook Richard Nixon.

And President Carter is widely regarded as one of the worst presidents we ever had.

Governor Clinton was a philandering liar, and he brought U.S. perhaps the most sustained duration of prosperity in U.S. history.

Ironically, President Trump is neither honest nor capable; and already seems on track to be one of the worst U.S. presidents of all time.

The problem with that is, Trump is virtually handing the White House to the Democrats on a silver platter in the 2020 election.

Trump's current popular opinion poll popularity is reportedly the lowest of any U.S. president in modern public opinion polling history.

Exquisitor said:

We have independents in Congress, they usually caucus with the Democrats, why is this?

So let us not have Independent in place of Democrat, but Independent where otherwise it would be Reprobate.

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Sanders and King are independents in name only. Only one other Democratic senator voted the Democratic Party line more than Sanders. I suppose those two like to be called independents, but they're not. True independents wouldn't caucus with either major party. Also political pundits count both King and Sanders as Democrats. Why not, that is their color and whom they support.

When it is a straight party line vote, it is always reported 52 Republicans, 48 Democrats. Not 52 Republicans, 46 Democrats and 2 independents.

There are no Good Presidents period.

All politicians everywhere are only interested in looking after themselves and their friends.

Your leaders have no clue why America is hated Worldwide.
Here in Canada I would hesitate to name any of our past politicians as Good.
The Chamber of Commerce often names "Citizen of the Year" winners I'm sure all your leaders have won that meaningless award many times.

Re: There are no Good Presidents period.

"All politicians everywhere are only interested in looking after themselves and their friends." SS #12

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"All" is the most conspicuous error in that comment.

Citizens choose public service for a variety of reasons.

Do you have any reason to argue that U.S. military members are less devoted to the welfare of the whole People they serve than their civilian counterparts in our legislatures?

Perhaps seemingly paradoxically, some of the most benevolently motivated public servants provide some of the worst public service.

President Jimmy Carter comes to mind: a very good man, but not a very good president.