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Trump signs internet privacy repeal

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Your internet provider is now free to sell your browsing history to whoever it wants, and they don't need your permission. You cannot "opt out" of this.

President Trump signed a bill on Monday repealing internet privacy rules passed last year by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that would have given internet users greater control over what service providers can do with their data, a White House spokeswoman confirmed.

The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements.
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Also educational is how much the telecom industry paid each member of Congress to get this bill passed.

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them - The Verge

If you want to change Mitch McConnell's position, all you need is over a cool $251,110.
 
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The government will tell you that, if you are breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about. Your response should always be "If I am not breaking the law, then what I do is nobody's damn business but mine".

With that in mind, you CAN opt out of government surveillance. You just have to take some steps to do it. Here is a starter:

https://ssd.eff.org/




 
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Cardinal said:
Your internet provider is now free to sell your browsing history to whoever it wants, and they don't need your permission. You cannot "opt out" of this.

Also educational is how much the telecom industry paid each member of Congress to get this bill passed.

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them - The Verge

Trump and the Republican Party: working for the little guy.
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If you are surfing the internet, you have no expectation of privacy. Why should the internet be different than any other form of communication?
 
Cardinal said:
No, that is not accurate.
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Actually, it IS accurate. The link shows you how to encrypt data, use proxies, and gives you other tools which make surveillance on you much more difficult. You are essentially opting out by being proactive and using these tools.
 
MaggieD said:
If you are surfing the internet, you have no expectation of privacy. Why should the internet be different than any other form of communication?
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A couple of issues with it.
1. You pay for your service, if they sell your data, you should at least get a discount on it.

2. They won't be able to tell if your a minor or adult and spying on kids, whether or not you know they're a kid is creepy.

3. I personally, value my privacy.

I already took the steps to be more hidden on the interwebs after this was announced.
 
danarhea said:
Actually, it IS accurate. The link shows you how to encrypt data, use proxies, and gives you other tools which make surveillance much more difficult. You opt out by being proactive and using these tools.
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I've been over this stuff more times than I can tell you. Proxies and VPN's don't protect your privacy except insofar as your blind trust that they will not share your browsing with a third party. The service you're using as a proxy or tunnel can view your traffic every bit as well as your isp can, and unlike an isp, there is no regulatory agency to audit their practices or confirm they are abiding whatever is on their privacy statements.
 
Cardinal said:
I've been over this stuff more times than I can tell you. Proxies and VPN's don't protect your privacy except insofar as your blind trust that they will not share your browsing with a third party. The service you're using as a proxy or tunnel can view your traffic every bit as well as your isp can, and unlike an isp, there is no regulatory agency to audit their practices or confirm they are abiding whatever is on their privacy statements.
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I think there is a way to create your own VPN.

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Yea you can, I'm fairly sure you can use a Pi to make it as well.
 
MaggieD said:
If you are surfing the internet, you have no expectation of privacy.
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Why do you feel that way? I can certainly explain to you why I feel differently, but why do you not believe in privacy?

Why should the internet be different than any other form of communication?
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Shouldn't the better question be why can't all forms of communication be private from for-profit third parties?
 
Great, now I have to be one of those weirdos who has to buy hard copies of porn with cash again if I want to have any sort of privacy.
 
danarhea said:
The government will tell you that, if you are breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about. Your response should always be "If I am not breaking the law, then what I do is nobody's damn business but mine".

With that in mind, you CAN opt out of government surveillance. You just have to take some steps to do it. Here is a starter:

https://ssd.eff.org/
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MaggieD said:
If you are surfing the internet, you have no expectation of privacy. Why should the internet be different than any other form of communication?
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Would you say that insurance companies should just be able to buy your browsing history to see if you've been googling symptoms of a disease?
 
Cardinal said:
Your internet provider is now free to sell your browsing history to whoever it wants, and they don't need your permission. You cannot "opt out" of this.



Also educational is how much the telecom industry paid each member of Congress to get this bill passed.

The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them - The Verge

If you want to change Mitch McConnell's position, all you need is over a cool $251,110.
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Yay!!! The article is a list of people you can hate for repealing something that hadn't gone into effect yet so, essentially, didn't change a damned thing. What your ISP can do after this repeal is no different than what they could do before the repeal.
 
Cardinal said:
I've been over this stuff more times than I can tell you. Proxies and VPN's don't protect your privacy except insofar as your blind trust that they will not share your browsing with a third party. The service you're using as a proxy or tunnel can view your traffic every bit as well as your isp can, and unlike an isp, there is no regulatory agency to audit their practices or confirm they are abiding whatever is on their privacy statements.
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True, but a VPN company's entire financial success depends on maintaining a reputation of security and confidentiality. Selling that data isn't something that could be kept secret very long. The watchdogs would get them and they would lose their customer base. ISPs don't have to worry about that because in most places they have a virtual monopoly.

Obviously I am talking about paid VPNs, not free ones.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Can't you just change the IP?

There are other things as well, image achives and HTTPS everywhere (although that's about 10% functional).
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You're the holder of the vpn, so the ip is always you.

As for extensions such as ghostery, https everywhere, etc., those only deal with the websites you visit. They don't have any effect on your isp.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
True, but a VPN company's entire financial success depends on maintaining a reputation of security and confidentiality. Selling that data isn't something that could be kept secret very long. The watchdogs would get them and they would lose their customer base. ISPs don't have to worry about that because in most places they have a virtual monopoly.

Obviously I am talking about paid VPNs, not free ones.
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These VPN's exist in countries which have little oversight though, remember. (It's the exact reason they can exist).
 
Cardinal said:
You're the holder of the vpn, so the ip is always you.

As for extensions such as ghostery, https everywhere, etc., those only deal with the websites you visit. They don't have any effect on your isp.
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What's the damn point of a home VPN server then?
Why do people bother making them?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
True, but a VPN company's entire financial success depends on maintaining a reputation of security and confidentiality. Selling that data isn't something that could be kept secret very long. The watchdogs would get them and they would lose their customer base. ISPs don't have to worry about that because in most places they have a virtual monopoly.

Obviously I am talking about paid VPNs, not free ones.
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It's a business model you can't audit and there's no regulatory agency for. As trust goes, it's really flimsy, paid or not.
 
Nilly said:
These VPN's exist in countries which have little oversight though, remember. (It's the exact reason they can exist).
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Some. And some of the VPNs exist in countries like the US, Canada and other places that allow lawsuits against companies that violate user agreements.

If you are American and use a US based, reliable, VPN that prevents information sharing in its user agreement then the only legal way anyone can get your information is with a warrant. If the VPN violates the user agreement then they open themselves up to a class action lawsuit.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
What's the damn point of a home VPN server then?
Why do people bother making them?
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It allows you to securely surf the internet from unsecured locations. For example, if you are using public wifi at a Starbucks it is very easy for a hacker to see everything you are doing, unless it is to a https site. What your home VPN does is encrypt all your internet traffic between you and the VPN, thus giving you a secured connection even from public wifi locations.
 
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