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Trump Dynasty = Next Bush Dynasty?

VanceMack said:
I have no love for Trump. I think he is a douche. I dont excuse his words...I am just honest about his words (comes with knowing what he actually said vs regurgitating stupid peoples ****). Doesnt change the facts. Anyone that supported EITHER Clinton and pretends to be poutraged over Trumps comments is a hypocrite.

Ive said it before...I didnt vote for Trump. I voted for Huntsman. But Trump is the president we have today. If our country is going to thrive, he kinda has to be able to do his job. Sure...Trump has alternately supported democrats and republicans. He isnt so much a politician as he is a businessman. His positions on many issues changed when he ran. Again...I didnt vote for the guy. Mindless partisans gave the country a choice between Trump and Clinton. Many people sat out the election. Some of us voted 3rd party or write in. Some voted for those two. Trump won. Deal with it.
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Alright, just pointing out that Trump supported those EVIL Clinton's you were ranting about. Praised their character and everything, until it was convenient for him not to. So if they are bad news...so is Trump.

As for dealing with a Trump presidency, maybe you were asleep during the Obama years, but the right wing reaction was just as hysterical. Face it, we are in an extremely divided era of politics, and Trump is a decisive character. Even the GOP despises him.

As for Huntsman, he's one of the better Republicans in my view. Too bad your fellow GOPer's aren't interested in sane candidates like Huntsman. A reality T.V. star who gets into feuds with people on twitter about T.V. ratings was apparently the more "qualified" choice in their view/
 
VanceMack said:
2020 is a long time away.
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True. Anything can happen. i just believe that if he can, and his health allows him too, he will probably will run again in 2020, at least right now. But when 2020 comes around, he may have a different perspective on things.
 
Puigb said:
Alright, just pointing out that Trump supported those EVIL Clinton's you were ranting about. Praised their character and everything, until it was convenient for him not to. So if they are bad news...so is Trump.

As for dealing with a Trump presidency, maybe you were asleep during the Obama years, but the right wing reaction was just as hysterical. Face it, we are in an extremely divided era of politics, and Trump is a decisive character. Even the GOP despises him.

As for Huntsman, he's one of the better Republicans in my view. Too bad your fellow GOPer's aren't interested in sane candidates like Huntsman. A reality T.V. star who gets into feuds with people on twitter about T.V. ratings was apparently the more "qualified" choice in their view/
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Weve had partisans in the past...no doubt. What we are seeing today transcends even that. This isnt just lunatic partisans on the fringe...this is damn near every elected rat, celebrity, and the vast majority of media outlets. Weve not seen this kind of orchestrated vitriol since maybe Nixon.
 
VanceMack said:
You exemplify the problem with the anti-Trump left. You dont know what you are actually talking about and are just regurgitating what you have been told to think. Trump didnt say it was OK to sexually assault women. You need to listen to his actual words. On the other hand, leftists voted...twice...for a man that is a rapist and has committed acts of sexual assault and sexual harassment and the left still adores him. The left was eager to rush to the voting booths to vote for his wife, who has spent 40 years attacking her husbands victims. Your pretense of upset over Trumps words (or rather what you have been told were his words) while at the same time excusing and justifying your support for rat politicians that actually COMMITTED the acts you pretend to be upset about are what has changed US politics for the worse.
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I'm not going to take the bait and engage you.
 
lurchadams said:
I'm not going to take the bait and engage you.
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You apparently didnt bother engaging facts before you started with the anti-Trump rhetoric, so why start now?
 
VanceMack said:
Weve had partisans in the past...no doubt. What we are seeing today transcends even that. This isnt just lunatic partisans on the fringe...this is damn near every elected rat, celebrity, and the vast majority of media outlets. Weve not seen this kind of orchestrated vitriol since maybe Nixon.
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You're ignoring the fact that Trump's own political party despises him. Remember the primaries where they did everything in their power to deny him the nomination?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe so many people hate Trump because he's an asshole of epic proportions?
 
Puigb said:
You're ignoring the fact that Trump's own political party despises him. Remember the primaries where they did everything in their power to deny him the nomination?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe so many people hate Trump because he's an asshole of epic proportions?
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I'm not ignoring anything. But if you cant tell the difference between the vitriol and hatred on the left from the right, you arent paying attention.
 
VanceMack said:
I'm not ignoring anything. But if you cant tell the difference between the vitriol and hatred on the left from the right, you arent paying attention.
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well, doing everything in your power to stop a candidate from winning the nomination of your party seems like a lot of hatred to me.
 
Puigb said:
well, doing everything in your power to stop a candidate from winning the nomination of your party seems like a lot of hatred to me.
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So you see republicans rioting in the streets since 9 November do you?
 
Puigb said:
Anyone else think this is what will ultimately happen? Wouldn't shock me at all if we get another president Trump in the future. Hell, could even be Ivanka Trump.
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no thanks
 
VanceMack said:
So you see republicans rioting in the streets since 9 November do you?
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How do you know the political affiliation of the people rioting? And why would Republicans riot? They are back in full power. Only thing that they don't want is a Trump presidency, but you best believe they are hoping something happens that will lead to Pence take over Trump's job.
 
slick said:
It's hard to believe but Michelle Obama on one of the sportsbooks I use Betonline was rated the 2nd choice of the Democrats for 2020
just behind Pocahontas who is the favorite to win the nomination. That's how bad things look for the Democrats.
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Well, then you do know, slick, that one of them is assured will win.

I mean, you know, because if the rest of us do NOT vote for one of them it has to be because we are either misogynist or racist or ..., you know, both. There can be no excuses allowed for being of a different political party with different beliefs about the direction of our nation should be headed... that can be of little consequence wherein a female, especially a known Native American or black female, NEEDs be elected so we can save face to the rest of world after the debacle of rejecting Hillary in such a humiliating fashion.

We must make amends for such misdeeds of the past. :lamo
 
Puigb said:
a president's approval ratings usually go up when they are out of office for a few years.
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GWBush did average higher Gallup ratings over his 8 years than Obama. Bush was 7th out of the last 12 and Obama was 9th. Average ratings seem more fair as so often things happen out of the President's control at the end of his term, or at various points along the way.

Obama Averages 47.9% Job Approval as President | Gallup
 
lurchadams said:
I don't know about Cuban's political leanings either. I know he has very little respect for Trump - think's he's a crook and horrible business person.
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And Cuban's assessment of Trump would be correct.

From what I know, Cuban seems to tilt to the left. And unlike Trump, Cuban is a self made man who came from the most humble of beginnings in Pittsburgh. His father was an automobile upholsterer. Cuban was a very smart and very hardworking young man who made his fortune completely on his own. He's a true American success story and someone that kids should aspire to be like.

I could see him challenging Trump in 2020. And if the Dems are smart (which I have yet to see much evidence of), they would run someone like him instead of Elizabeth Warren, for many reasons.
 
Eric7216 said:
GWBush did average higher Gallup ratings over his 8 years than Obama. Bush was 7th out of the last 12 and Obama was 9th. Average ratings seem more fair as so often things happen out of the President's control at the end of his term, or at various points along the way.

Obama Averages 47.9% Job Approval as President | Gallup
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Bush's average approval rating was inflated by his approval ratings after 9-11.

IMO, a more accurate gauge of a president's perceived success by the American voters is their final approval ratings. Both Reagan and Clinton left office with high approval ratings, because they were (right or wrong) seen as successful. Bush left with low approval ratings because he was generally seen as a failure.
 
tres borrachos said:
And Cuban's assessment of Trump would be correct.

From what I know, Cuban seems to tilt to the left. And unlike Trump, Cuban is a self made man who came from the most humble of beginnings in Pittsburgh. His father was an automobile upholsterer. Cuban was a very smart and very hardworking young man who made his fortune completely on his own. He's a true American success story and someone that kids should aspire to be like.

I could see him challenging Trump in 2020. And if the Dems are smart (which I have yet to see much evidence of), they would run someone like him instead of Elizabeth Warren, for many reasons.
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The Dems aren't smart, so the chances of them even entertaining the idea of Cuban as the nominee in 2020 seems very slim, at the moment. That said, I do find it interesting that Trump and his minions seem to be worried about Cuban's political prospects in 2020. It seems Trump and his team are afraid of someone beating Trump at his own game.
 
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