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Collusion conspiracy[W:147]

Re: Collusion conspiracy

I can see why the opposition wants to keep these investigations going as long as possible, it is hurtingTrump's
ability to get moving on his agenda & hurting his approval ratings but I bet only about 1 in 10 who hope that
this will damage Trump actually believe Trump colluded with anyone!
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
He doesn't want facts, he wants speculation....which he can then say are just speculation, doesn't prove anything.....and then he can enjoy his bliss*.
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Yes, I want speculation. I am curious as to what people think Trump actually did. Did he call Putin and ask hi to hack Podesta? What?
 
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slick said:
I can see why the opposition wants to keep these investigations going as long as possible
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Who are you quoting that wants these investigations to go on as long as possible?
It's the U.S. intelligence agencies, and bi-partisan senate and house that are doing the investigation.

Do you not think these investigations are important? Do tell.
 
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Fletch said:
Yes, I want speculation. I am curious as to what people think Trump actually did. Did he call Putin and ask hi to hack Podesta? What?
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I cant talk to you (and I don't know why anyone else would) when you created the premise:

"Could someone who believes all the Trump/Russia collusion nonsense"

I don't, and neither do you, know all of the collusion(s), "nonsense" or otherwise. This is just a bait thread.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
With so much information on that out there and so easily available, that you would ask that simply shows you're not actually interested in rational or honest discourse on the matter since you haven't lifted a finger to inform yourself.
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Chalk up another one that doesn't have an answer. Exhibit A, ladies and gentlemen.
 
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Mach said:
First, there is an FBI/intelligence agency, a House committee, and a Senate committee investigation Russia's involvement in our election process,
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I could have saved the government a lot of money by telling them that Russia would have preferred Trump. That people on Trump's transition team talked to the Russian ambassador and such is not something to point a finger at. This is especially true when they were trying to improve relations with Russia Obama sabotaged those relations as a parting shot in his lame-duck session.
 
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Bob N said:
Well one thing that I can be factual about is, is that Trump did invite the Russians to hack inside the USA and retrieve supposed emails that Hillary was in possession of. That alone is not cool! Especially with a country like the Soviet Union. :roll:
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Lol...more lies again. He made a joke about hacking her emails, because she failed to turn over 30K of them, despite being required to provide them by law. At the time of the joke, her server was already down and in FBI possession so it would be literally impossible to hack it. Keep those fantasies going, though.
 
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If you do want to know why the FBI chose to include the Trump administration in their espionage investigation of Russian meddling in the election:

Such deals typically involve quid pro quo.
Russia benefits from having pro-Russian advocates in power in the U.S.
U.S. officials benefit from getting Russian assistance in winning their presidential campaign.
(and Russian blackmail, and Russian investments, gifts, money, etc.)

Russians factually assisted in the presidential campaign in favor of Trump.
The speculation, now this is a UUUUGGEE stretch of the imagination, is that people in the Trump campaign coordinated their factual attempts at winning the election, with the factual attempts by the Russians to help them win the election.

You are correct in that if they are smart, they would not have to leave a trail of any kind, to coordinate this way. If they are smart, they would only leave circumstantial evidence.
And there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, which is why there are investigations that include this.

Flynn - paid by Russians (and Turkey) in recent years, Flynn lies about speaking with the Russian government about sanctions. He was booted out of national security advisor position and is currently under investigation.
campaign chairman Paul Manafort and other members of his campaign, had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016,
Page: stated in 2017 he had no meetings with russian officials.
Two days later backtracked and said he "did not deny" having meetings with Russians. Oops
Roger Stone: Trump advisor - Admitted in March 2017 that he had been in contact with Guccifer 2.0 who is believed to be tied to the hacking of the DNC
Steel Dossier: Former MI6 official compiled an intelligence report based on Russian sources, and turned it over to the FBI. Claims Russia has blackmail on Trump from years back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

So we'll see how deep Russian meddling goes, and we'll clean house of anyone dumb enough to get caught lying about it.
We likely won't find a smoking gun, because only idiots leave smoking guns on something that requires no gun at all.
 
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Mach said:
As for hypothetical, can you really not imagine any plausible scenarios given all that circumstantial evidence that you just read, that would tie Trump campaign to Russia directly for meddling in the election? Looks like our government can imagine a few, so it's pursuing an investigation on it. I certainly hope the Trump folks were just stupid and not treasonous.
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Why would Russia need to collude with Trump to effect the election in the manner that they are being accused of? It's not like Trump would have anything of value to give them. Everything that Russia is accused of needed no input from Trump or his team.
 
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Fletch said:
This thread isn't about you proving how obnoxious and arrogant you are. Take that elsewhere.
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I see you're unfamiliar with his posting. That's all he has.
 
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Fishking said:
Lol...more lies again. He made a joke about hacking her emails, because she failed to turn over 30K of them, despite being required to provide them by law. At the time of the joke, her server was already down and in FBI possession so it would be literally impossible to hack it. Keep those fantasies going, though.
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The comes a point when one has to surrender to the fact there are people who will never accept anything that isn't feed to them. One could hold up a rock in front of them, and they
will insist it is a loaf of bread. Doesn't matter if you show the a geologists report; They have been told it's a loaf of bread, and that is it.

I'm beginning to think it's rather pointless to even comment any more. It's like telling a blind person to describe the picture you just drew for them.
 
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Fishking said:
Why would Russia need to collude with Trump to effect the election in the manner that they are being accused of? It's not like Trump would have anything of value to give them. Everything that Russia is accused of needed no input from Trump or his team.
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They would not necessarily have to, Trump could just signal through the media that he was on their side, friendly with them, he could have Flynn let them know they would lift sanctions, he suggested they could hack the DNC server looking for Hillary's emails, etc. At that high of a level, I would think a nod and handshake is about the extent of what they would *need* to do, to collude this way. It would be crumbs at best that they find, I'm guessing. I mean, we can't subpoena the Russians they met with...so it's all unavailable to us. A nice setup to be sure.
 
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Got to hand it to this schiff guy, he's very smooth and everything he says is seconded by
Wolf Blitzer, Jake Tapper, Rachelle Maddow & Lawrence O'Donnell increasing the hopes of the
gullible that there is possible collusion between Trump & the Russians. Believe me Schiff is
bright enough to believe there is no evidence but if he's persuading some to believe otherwise he's
doing his job.
 
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Fletch said:
Could someone who believes all the Trump/Russia collusion nonsense please lay out for me what it is you think Trump or his campaign actually did. Who did he or they collude with, when and how. Near as I can tell, the Russian involvement in the election was hacking Podestas email account and handing it over to WikiLeaks. Where does Trump fit into any of this?
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Most of if not all of Trump's key advisers have been proven to have large ties to Russia. He even hired a well-known Russian Stooge in Manafort. Trump likes Russian Prostitutes. Trump has married a Russian model. He named his own daughter Ivanka, not Sally or Emily. Yeah. Trump has no ties to Russia at all! :roll:
 
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Fishking said:
Chalk up another one that doesn't have an answer. Exhibit A, ladies and gentlemen.
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Showing the timeline, w/all the vaious charachters involved in it with their relationships as well is an answer.

Not at all surprised you have to pretend that it isn't.
 
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Fishking said:
Why would Russia need to collude with Trump to effect the election in the manner that they are being accused of? It's not like Trump would have anything of value to give them. Everything that Russia is accused of needed no input from Trump or his team.
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Thanks for your admission that this entire situation and its ramifications are utterly lost on you.

Trump has things of enormous value to offer Russia; lifting sanctions on them first among several other things.

This seems to have you very confused.
 
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ocean515 said:
I'm beginning to think it's rather pointless to even comment any more. It's like telling a blind person to describe the picture you just drew for them.
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The point of commenting isn't to convince them. That will never happen. It's to break up the narrative and make sure that there is information out there for those who have not had their mind taken over by leftist dogma. If you don't comment then their voice is the only one heard by those on the fence and they will be swayed over. If you don't comment you cede the field.

Keep your eye on the ball.
 
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Fishking said:
Why would Russia need to collude with Trump to effect the election in the manner that they are being accused of? It's not like Trump would have anything of value to give them. Everything that Russia is accused of needed no input from Trump or his team.
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Uh, yeah..no....only like more than 3% of their GDP...which is focused on those at the very top of their pyramid.
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Showing the timeline, w/all the vaious charachters involved in it with their relationships as well is an answer.

Not at all surprised you have to pretend that it isn't.
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Yup...that doesn't answer the question.
 
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American politicians have colluded with Moscow since the days of the Cold War when it would have literally been considered treason, but now all of a sudden Trumpians are getting butthurt over 'circumstantial evidence' that Trump aides may have colluded with Russian hackers...?

:lamo

C'mon let's be adults about this...
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Thanks for your admission that this entire situation and its ramifications are utterly lost on you.

Trump has things of enormous value to offer Russia; lifting sanctions on them first among several other things.

This seems to have you very confused.
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Seems my point went over your cute little head. This is expected. It's not a Trump in office that doesn't give them value, it's Trump had nothing of value to offer them in their alleged hacking. For example, would they need Trump guidance to tell Russia to hack the DNC servers to look for dirt? No, Russia could figure out that for themselves. How about the phishing scam of Hillary's campaign manager? Would Trump have to provide Russia with social engineers to give them that capability to pull that "high speed" operation off? No, I'm sure Russia is plenty capable.

Again, what why would Trump need to collude with Russia? He had nothing to offer in those efforts.
 
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Fishking said:
Seems my point went over your cute little head. This is expected. It's not a Trump in office that doesn't give them value, it's Trump had nothing of value to offer them in their alleged hacking. For example, would they need Trump guidance to tell Russia to hack the DNC servers to look for dirt? No, Russia could figure out that for themselves. How about the phishing scam of Hillary's campaign manager? Would Trump have to provide Russia with social engineers to give them that capability to pull that "high speed" operation off? No, I'm sure Russia is plenty capable.

Again, what why would Trump need to collude with Russia? He had nothing to offer in those efforts.
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Again your inability to deal with reality is on full public display.

Trump had plenty to offer them for any alleged hacking, what he could do for them after getting into office primarily among other things. He was clearly their tool with the suspiciously quick retweeting of their fake news stories, sometime almost word for word.

This is really, really basic stuff.

Look, I'm simply not interested in your pathological denial of reality and inablitiy to face factual data honestly. I'll leave you to your breathless speculation and transparently dishonest motives.

Good luck with your magical thinking!
 
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Fishking said:
Again, what why would Trump need to collude with Russia? He had nothing to offer in those efforts.
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We both just explained one reason they would view him as having "value", and you ignore it.
 
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