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Obama's own Defense Deputy admits Obama Admin spied on Trump.

iguanaman said:
They were survailing RUSSIANS and Trumps people kept turning up on the other end. WHY? You still can't answer that simple question. Why the constant chatter with Russian agents? Don't feel too bad, Trump or his people have no answer either. Cover-ups, distractions and denials are not answers so we are left to draw our own conclusions and they are not good.
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That isn't what your source says:

As part of intelligence operations being conducted against the United States for the last seven months, at least one Western European ally intercepted a series of communications before the inauguration between advisers associated with President Donald Trump and Russian government officials, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
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If this foreign intel apparatus, that was spying on The President Elect of The United States passed this information to the Obama administration, this is heavy-duty-****.
 
apdst said:
That isn't what your source says:



If this foreign intel apparatus, that was spying on The President Elect of The United States passed this information to the Obama administration, this is heavy-duty-****.
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Can't you read? Russians were being monitored. If the Trump people didn't want it known they should not have been speaking to known Russian agents. They WILL need to explain that and if they lie they will be liable for perjury. And I am reminding you that again you have no clue what they may have been doing in those contacts. Come on now, there must be something that is not a crime that they were doing? Think of something, a fantasy football league, the weather in Moscow....something besides ilegal colluding with Russian hackers to hurt Hillary chances.
 
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JumpinJack said:
They weren't. This has been investigated by our intelligence agencies. There isn't one speck of evidence that Obama, or anyone else, wiretapped or surveilled Trump (and by extension, his team). AND Comey made it clear that no President has the authority to even order such a thing.

That is not what the woman in the video says at all.

Fake news by a partisan media guy, the ones who spread the fake news. Russia participated in the spreading of the fake news, too, and putting out trolls in social media to spread fake news and whip up the alt-righters, to divide America and convince people not to vote for Clinton. That's part of the intelligence conclusion of their investigation into who had hacked us and whether Russia had interfered with our democracy.

Apparently one way you can spot the trolls and bots is by looking for the same words over and over. That's how they whip up the alt-righters...they aim at the sweet spot, dish up the same words that seem effective, and hit it hard repeatedly by different trolls and bots. (Example: "lock her up!") I'm NOT saying this op is a troll (he's just repeating what he found on Youtube by an extremist); just saying to watch out for the trolls and fake news stories. They are still going on.

Rubio reported that this week there were attempts from Russian IP addresses to hack his former campaign staffers who have classified information. Those attempts were unsuccessful, he said, as far as they could determine.
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A couple of points I missed to even further destroy this argument:

When Trump said he was "Wiretapped" he was using the term to mean "general electronic surveillance." The strict definition of "Wiretapped" is what was done to landline phones 30 years ago. Comey was dishonestly sticking to the strict definition when he said Trump was not "Wiretapped."

When Trump said "Trump Tower" he was referring to his campaign in general. Comey was being dishonest sticking to just "Trump Tower."

When Trump referred to Obama he was talking about intelligence agencies under Obama. Base on the dates it's an established fact that Obama was briefed about the electronic surveillance of the Trump campaign.

When asked Rubio also established he did not know what a VPN is. A VPN is a service that anyone can get that will make you IP look like it's anywhere in the world. It's how anyone can get away with illegally downloading movies and music. If an IP was from Russia it's guaranteed it was anyone but the Russians.

Saul Alinsky 101: accuse your opponents of doing what you are. Over half of Hillarys likes on Facebook and Twitter were from bots provided by David Brock. There is no evidence Trump benefited from bots in any meaningful way.
 
iguanaman said:
Can't you read? Russians were being monitored. If the Trump people didn't want it known they should not have been speaking to known Russian agents. They WILL need to explain that and if they lie they will be liable for perjury. And I am reminding you that again you have no clue what they may have been doing in those contacts. Come on now, there must be something that is not a crime that they were doing? Think of something, a fantasy football league, the weather in Moscow....something besides ilegal colluding with Russian hackers to hurt Hillary chances.
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And when the information/names were leaked it was a Felony. The absolute only crimes were committed against the Trump campaign not by them.
 
Just a reminder...
On Oct 7th US intelligence said Russia hacked voter registration databases.
On Oct 15th - FBI got a FISA warrant on SVB and Alfa Bank.
 
Casca XV said:
A couple of points I missed to even further destroy this argument:

When Trump said he was "Wiretapped" he was using the term to mean "general electronic surveillance." ...
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Like camera's...in microwave ovens.

:lol
 
Casca XV said:
And when the information/names were leaked it was a Felony. The absolute only crimes were committed against the Trump campaign not by them.
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Then why were they "constantly" talking to Russian agents? No one can answer this. Until they do the only answer is collusion....and treason.
 
iguanaman said:
Then why were they "constantly" talking to Russian agents? No one can answer this. Until they do the only answer is collusion....and treason.
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The communications were normal for any incoming administration. Comey, Clapper and several other intelligence officials say there is 0% evidence of collusion or wrongdoing.
 
iguanaman said:
Can't you read? Russians were being monitored. If the Trump people didn't want it known they should not have been speaking to known Russian agents. They WILL need to explain that and if they lie they will be liable for perjury. And I am reminding you that again you have no clue what they may have been doing in those contacts. Come on now, there must be something that is not a crime that they were doing? Think of something, a fantasy football league, the weather in Moscow....something besides ilegal colluding with Russian hackers to hurt Hillary chances.
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Obviously YOU can't read.

This is from YOUR source:

As part of intelligence operations being conducted against the United States for the last seven months...
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iguanaman said:
Then why were they "constantly" talking to Russian agents? No one can answer this. Until they do the only answer is collusion....and treason.
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They were the incoming administration. It's kinda part of what incoming administrations do.
 
iguanaman said:
Not if they were talking to Russian agents who have FISA Warrants to monitor them. Why were they talking to Russian agents during the campaign? Don't wiggle out of it. I want a REAL answer.
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Did you ever consider the possibility that the Trump team had no idea these were Russian agents. Its not like foreign spies walk around with name tags identifying themselves.
 
Paperview said:
Don't tell me believed that ridiculous youtube video you posted of the gov't has microwave camera's spying on you.

Because if you did -- holy gwawk.
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Prior to Conway's comment I heard it stated a dozen times in MSM that chips in electronic appliances including microwave ovens could be used as part of electronic surveillance. After she says it The Left uses it as a cheap gocha thing. Whether you know it or not this type of dishonesty is why the left is losing.

Compared to sources like Snopes that video has the credibility of Einstein's laws of physics.
 
Casca XV said:
Former Obama Defence Deputy Evelyn Farkas admits Obama was surveilling Trump for partisan political purposes. She also admitted to leaking classified information (a felony punishable with 10 years in prison).

I think before this is done the question will be: Does Trump grant Obama a Pardon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b43jh_lRy_k

https://goo.gl/oPrsSM
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An interesting prognostication. I wonder if it'll come true or not.

I'd regain a bit of faith in the federal government if it does, because, clearly, that appears to be exactly what did in fact happened. And not only that, political opposition parties using national intelligence agencies for spying on each other for political purposes is by far a greater threat to the future of the Republic than any one single presidential administration, lest that same terrifying capability be used against US citizens.

Come to think of it, Mike Flynn is a US citizen, isn't he?

Oops. Too late. Already happened that national intelligence agencies were used to destroy a US citizen.

Hmm. This new standard of behavior, this new precedence, falls squarely on Obama and his administration, to the damage of the nation.
 
JumpinJack said:
FAKE NEWS. She doesn't say that AT ALL. Partisan sites and partisan media outlets are not sources of real news.

She's talking about information that was GIVEN to them by intelligence agencies. Not at all that Obama surveilled Trump or his staffers.
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So where'd the leaked classified information come from?

It seems what happened is what most Presidents would do upon leaving office, with the subject of a criminal investigation coming into the office, is that Obama's administration PRESERVED the information for those who would need to know, because they thought it likely that Trump's team would get rid of it.
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Preserving information? Hence the EO 12333 which vastly expanded those who had access to NSA sigint, with US citizens unmasked, with a factorially larger community who had access, from whence the leaks came from. So this is preserving information? No, it's more like poisoning the well, laying booby traps, for the new incoming administration. You know. Obama's typical party and ideology over the nation's best interests, of which he has a history of doing.

The story here is that TRUMP AND HIS TEAM were under CRIMINAL investigation at that time...and TRUMP DIDN'T KNOW THAT. He was still floating on Cloud Nine, thinking that their communications with Russia remained in secret and no one knew what they had done.
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Please document said illicit communication between the Trump campaign, the Trump transition team, and the Russians please.

So the prior administration preserved the information they had been legally given, for those who would need to know, so that the subject of the criminal investigation couldn't make sure that information would disappear. Which we all know Trump would have done, esp if we find out ultimately that he committed illegal acts to win the election, then we know he would have done improper acts to get rid of information implicating himself.
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I call to question this misbegotten notion of 'preserving information'. Seems pretty clear between Obama's EO 12333, a questionable justification for surveillance, a questionable FISA warrant, and the leaking of classified information which Farkas has confirmed, that this was all tripwires and booby traps Obama and his admin left for Trump and his admin. Again, a clear care of the best interests of party and ideology over the best interests of the nation.

If you claim that Trump 'committed illegal acts to win the election', you are going to have to substantiate that in some form or fashion. To date, no such substantiation has been presented, beyond rumors, gossip, and innuendo.

The FBI has investigated. If they'd have found something, do you think that they'd sit on it this long? I hardly think so.
 
Casca XV said:
Prior to Conway's comment I heard it stated a dozen times in MSM that chips in electronic appliances including microwave ovens could be used as part of electronic surveillance. After she says it The Left uses it as a cheap gocha thing. Whether you know it or not this type of dishonesty is why the left is losing.

Compared to sources like Snopes that video has the credibility of Einstein's laws of physics.
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:lamo

You should have watched your video till the end -- where it said ....basically...ALL THIS IS BULL ****.

lol
 
Paperview said:
Just a reminder...
On Oct 7th US intelligence said Russia hacked voter registration databases.
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Err. No. I'm sorry, but that's grossly inaccurate.

(Reuters) - U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials are warning that hackers with ties to Russia's intelligence services could try to undermine the credibility of the presidential election by posting documents online purporting to show evidence of voter fraud.


The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said however, that the U.S. election system is so large, diffuse and antiquated that hackers would not be able to change the outcome of the Nov. 8 election.


But hackers could post documents, some of which might be falsified, that are designed to create public perceptions of widespread voter fraud, the
officials said.
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The officials said there is no evidence that any hackers have succeeded in accessing equipment or databases used to record votes. Many states use systems that would be difficult to hack or defraud, including paper ballots which initially are tallied by machines.
U.S. vote authorities warned to be alert to Russian hacks faking fraud - officials | World | Reuters
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Further more, it seems that there's a real question as to whom actually attempted the hacking.

Homeland Security tied to attempted hack of Georgia's election database: Report - CNBC

Georgia Says Someone in U.S. Government Tried to Hack State’s Computers Housing Voter Data - WSJ

The hackers, whom ever they were, were not successful, as your post seems to imply.

On Oct 15th - FBI got a FISA warrant on SVB and Alfa Bank.
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Fletch said:
Did you ever consider the possibility that the Trump team had no idea these were Russian agents. Its not like foreign spies walk around with name tags identifying themselves.
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LOL So your explanation is that they were Facebook friends or something and got duped into helping the Russians fix the election?
 
apdst said:
They were the incoming administration. It's kinda part of what incoming administrations do.
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The were campaigning to be the "incoming administration" when these "friendships" started and no, It's not normal to have multiple conversations with known Russian agents EVER.
 
Casca XV said:
The communications were normal for any incoming administration. Comey, Clapper and several other intelligence officials say there is 0% evidence of collusion or wrongdoing.
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Comey said nothing of the sort and his investigation goes on, Flynn wants immunity and Republicans are telling people to get used to a President Pence. The odds of Trump finishing his term are plummeting by the day. And on top of that the Chinese leader HATES golf....:lol: This is already the worst 100 days in history.
 
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