• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Finally, A Win For The GOP!

I don't use the onion router (Tor) because I have something to hide. I use it so I will have nothing to hide. It uses disconnectme for a search engine. The search results are shown in duckduckgo. Neither one stores any of my internet information. Tor is based on firefox, so it's easy to use. The only hassle is having to log into sites each time you visit (thank you d0gbreath for logging in).

The other hassle is some sites like PayPal will check my zip code entered against my IP address. Right now my IP address is in Latvia. My zip code isn't.

It's workable and completely anonymous. Thank you US Navy!
 
Not exactly. When you agreed to the terms and conditions while signing up for your ISP, you gave them permission. They spell out exactly what they are collecting, who they will be sharing it with, who they must turn it over to (ie the Government).

It is not stealing if you gave permission.

The problem is that they can change those terms and conditions to whatever they want now, and since ISPs often function as the only game in town, we have no choice.

If the market did its job, we'd have a choice between lower-cost, sell our information for profit service; and higher-cost private service. And the higher-cost wouldn't be that much higher because of competition.

But we all know that won't happen because of the barriers to entry, so the government has to address this issue, they're the only ones who can.
 
Advertising is one thing. Specifically being able to tailor my feed based on internet searches does two things...1-it shows it is already appending which makes 2-the uproar over the latest congressional vote a tempest in a teapot.

And again, its a good thing. Its how you get so much 'free' stuff. It allows sites to charge more for ads, which allows them to give you more free stuff.
 
A libertarian? You should remove that from your Lean, it's shown to be false.
The person who would give up all their privacy freedoms, all of it, so he can have free facebook. There you go people, the modern Libertarian, wanting Big Brother because they like their toys!


Newsflash jonny5, FB makes money off what? Off our information.
Who owns that information before you get on facebook? You do. So FB makes a fortune off your information, and you get a free web page?

Tell me you didn't sell yourself for that bargain price.

Libertarianism is about maximizing free WILL. And indeed, as a libertarian I think all should be free to give their information away to anyone they CHOOSE to.
 
And again, its a good thing. Its how you get so much 'free' stuff. It allows sites to charge more for ads, which allows them to give you more free stuff.
If thats all that was happening...Id say swell. Its just really hard to trust that thats all that is happening.
 
Libertarianism is about maximizing free WILL. And indeed, as a libertarian I think all should be free to give their information away to anyone they CHOOSE to.

lol, apparently people are free to give away their sense of reason as well.
 
If thats all that was happening...Id say swell. Its just really hard to trust that thats all that is happening.

Well of course whats happening is theyre trying to make money. But they cant take it from you. They have to find a way to convince you, and the best way to do that is figure out what you want and then put their product in front of you. And even better, to create a platform you want to use, like Facebook, to get access to your eyeballs. Its a mutually beneficial transaction. You get a service you want, they get a way to try and sell you stuff.
 
You cannot honestly think Congress is going to do this...

Of course not. The authority to do it has been given to the FCC. It is in their hands now.
 
The problem is that they can change those terms and conditions to whatever they want now, and since ISPs often function as the only game in town, we have no choice.

True. Its their toys go they get to make the rules. You always have a choice. You can decide not to have Internet access. The choice may suck, but it is still there.

If the market did its job, we'd have a choice between lower-cost, sell our information for profit service; and higher-cost private service. And the higher-cost wouldn't be that much higher because of competition.

Right now, it is not up to the market. The local Government decides who gets to be the ISP because they own the utility infrastructure. It is the Government that decides how many ISP's can compete over a single line with Fair Use laws. It the market were allowed to do their job, you would find dozens of ISP's competing for Internet dollars and thus offering options.

ISP's already offer low cost, sell your information service, and higher cost, keep it private service. If you look at your providers site, the services are typically labeled Residential and Business. If you want sworn privacy, get the Business service.

But we all know that won't happen because of the barriers to entry, so the government has to address this issue, they're the only ones who can.

The Government made the barriers, so yes, they are the only ones that can do something about it. Since the Governments are making money by selling limited access to their infrastructure, right of ways, and such, you are right, we won't see any changes soon.
 
Love Rosie McCaffrey's. My mechanic is walking distance from there.

I used to frequent there when I lived downtown. There and the George and Dragon. Was in Phoenix this weekend and went to Seamus McCaffrey's though.
 
Back
Top Bottom