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Healthcare: Where's the Dems?

RabidAlpaca said:
Bernie Sanders, Top Progressives Announce New ‘Medicare For All’ Push

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radcen said:
I don't really consider Sanders a Dem, but I am open to UHC even though it goes against my general philosophy. I had seen this, but forgotten about it. :thumbs:

Problem is, I don't see the Dems going for this, and they don't seem to be offering anything else.
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I was thinking opening up medicare to be available for purchase would be a nice option. (Rather than it being for everyone). Heck that way you could get younger and healthier people in the mix - that could potentionally strengthen medicare.
 
Chuck Schumer and the Dems have repeatedly called on the Repubs to allow them to work on improving the ACA, but claim they've been rebuffed. I highly expect if the GOP said "help us improve the ACA", the Dems would happily inundate them with ideas.

But yeah, the Dems haven't gone to the the People with many ideas yet, and hopefully that will change in time. This repeal-failure thing all went pretty quickly, and it's only been a few days.

But as pointed-out above, Bernie is calling for single-payer and I think now may be a reasonable time to push it. At the least, there needs to be a push to implement the ACA Medicaid expansion which not only shores-up the ACA, but expands the current base of the single-payer systems now enjoyed by over 40% of the country.

Trump got into office with only minority support, he suffers from upside-down poor approval ratings, and as of yet has been fully stymied in his ability to legislate beyond dictatorial-type executive orders (and even then his orders get rebuffed!). And TrumpCare's approval rating was 17%! 17%!!!

With the execution, popularity, and approval record in the paragraph above, the time may now be ripe for the Dems to take the single-payer mantle and run with it. It may be a wining issue. Either-way they are legislatively impotent, so it seems they have little to lose!

Run it up the flagpole, and see if anyone salutes! :mrgreen:
 
mike2810 said:
So the Dems basically are saying screw the public. Repeal or not , the ACA needs work. Rates are going bonkers in AZ.
I also feel the say way about the Reps. They are saying screw the public.
Both sides need to work together and get the issue resolved.
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Which is also exactly what Trump said after the defeat.
 
re: the many who point out that the Dems can/should come up with a plan anyway, even if it means working with the Reps.

As a long-term strategy, this could actually work well for the Dems to re-establish their credibility with the voters. If they can come up with even just an idea that the people like, it would be a huge selling point in the 2018 mid-terms. It could be especially effective if they push the idea and the Reps rebuff it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's a really stupid idea.
We need good ideas.
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Bad as it is, the ACA was a better idea than what the Republicans just failed to push through the house. Maybe since the ACA is already in place, start there and improve it. Medicare-D was a Republican idea. Maybe cost reduce and expand that?
 
One would think that they would be working on something. After all, we are the only developed country without universal health care and some 28 million uninsured. That was a big deal for democrats, at least.
 
year2late said:
I was thinking opening up medicare to be available for purchase would be a nice option. (Rather than it being for everyone). Heck that way you could get younger and healthier people in the mix - that could potentionally strengthen medicare.
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That's pretty much how it works in Germany. The public "option" is optional. If someone doesn't want to be part of the public system they can take every cent of their money to their own private insurer. I don't understand why so many Americans are against such a system where you can do whatever you want and everyone gets healthcare.
 
11Bravo said:
lol bernie sanders ideaz r bout as american as ice curlin

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Healthcare for all is "un-American"?
 
mike2810 said:
So the Dems basically are saying screw the public. Repeal or not , the ACA needs work. Rates are going bonkers in AZ.
I also feel the say way about the Reps. They are saying screw the public.
Both sides need to work together and get the issue resolved.
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The Baby doesn't need to be thrown out with the Bath Water in accordance to Pro-Life protocols
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Bernie Sanders, Top Progressives Announce New ‘Medicare For All’ Push

Bill in Congress
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RabidAlpaca said:
That's pretty much how it works in Germany. The public "option" is optional. If someone doesn't want to be part of the public system they can take every cent of their money to their own private insurer. I don't understand why so many Americans are against such a system where you can do whatever you want and everyone gets healthcare.
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Agreed. An optional public option in a system that is already in place. And if it allowed younger healthier individuals to flood into the system, it could strengthen medicare in general,
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's pretty much how it works in Germany. The public "option" is optional. If someone doesn't want to be part of the public system they can take every cent of their money to their own private insurer. I don't understand why so many Americans are against such a system where you can do whatever you want and everyone gets healthcare.
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Is insurance then itself optional, or just the choice of the public system?
 
radcen said:
Healthcare: Where's the Dems?

Ok, the Reps screwed the pooch. Got it. But Obamacare is still seriously flawed. For all the people being helped there are still people suffering financially. Instead of celebrating the Trump/Rep defeat, shouldn't they be putting forth a fix?
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Nope.

Aside from all the political point-scoring action: Any plan drafted by the Democrats would be DOA. Republicans need to put together a plan, and then decide if they are going to invite the Democrats to the table.

Since the Republicans a) have realized they are screwed, and b) are trying to move onto other things that they foolishly believe will be easier (like tax reform), don't expect a new bill any time soon.
 
radcen said:
I don't really consider Sanders a Dem, but I am open to UHC even though it goes against my general philosophy. I had seen this, but forgotten about it. :thumbs:

Problem is, I don't see the Dems going for this, and they don't seem to be offering anything else.
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Why would they waste their time trying to get that through knowing that it will be categorically opposed by the party in power...? Would you willingly run a marathon knowing that Priebus is going to have his thugs break your kneecaps before you finish?
 
radcen said:
Is insurance then itself optional, or just the choice of the public system?
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Insurance itself is not optional, everyone must be insured in some way. (Note: the penalty for having no insurance is insurance, not a fine) Let's face a cold hard truth here, we as humans are basically bags of soft meat that at some point will need a bit of maintenance. There is not a single human on the planet that will not need medical care at some point or regular screenings.
 
radcen said:
Healthcare: Where's the Dems?

Ok, the Reps screwed the pooch. Got it. But Obamacare is still seriously flawed. For all the people being helped there are still people suffering financially. Instead of celebrating the Trump/Rep defeat, shouldn't they be putting forth a fix?
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I think most of them probably want single payer.

Obamacare didn't impact me negatively. I think it probably helped a lot of people. Healthcare costs are still way too high but I'm not sure how a law will fix that.
 
Ikari said:
But again, the biggest barrier to this is our own government.
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I think it's right wing media/ideology. It's clearly 100% opposed to this, and its entirely comfortable ignoring everything you just wrote, and literally lying about it via opinion pieces. It will fight that tooth and nail. In that sense, a government that has that as one of the two major parties, is indeed hamstrung and has to limp along.
 
Cigar said:
What do you think ...

So you think if you don't signup for the ACA you don't have group options?
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If you have insurance of any kind you are covered by the PPACA.
 
azgreg said:
If you have insurance of any kind you are covered by the PPACA.
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Even if you don't have insurance, the PPACA is redirecting money to healthcare providers on your behalf.

That's why all this bull**** about "choice" is essentially an exercise in ignorance. The reality is that we have to either (1) pay for those who can't afford it or (2) let them die from lack of care as a result. We don't have the heart for (2), except for the lunatics in the "freedom" caucus, and yet we refuse to do (1) with proper cost controls (universal healthcare). So we have this ****ty piecework solution that really only works well for the healthcare providers ($).
 
tres borrachos said:
I think most of them probably want single payer.

Obamacare didn't impact me negatively. I think it probably helped a lot of people. Healthcare costs are still way too high but I'm not sure how a law will fix that.
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The problem is that health insurance companies require expensive health care plans in order to be financially successful. Affordable health care is the bane of health insurance companies
 
Cigar said:
Never had the need for The ACA, but then again, Healthcare isn't all about me only.
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Neither do I. I am thankful everyday I don't have to deal with the exchanges.

If the ACA remains as is, taxpayers can expect to pick up more of the tab of the increasing rates.
 
radcen said:
Healthcare: Where's the Dems?

Ok, the Reps screwed the pooch. Got it. But Obamacare is still seriously flawed. For all the people being helped there are still people suffering financially. Instead of celebrating the Trump/Rep defeat, shouldn't they be putting forth a fix?
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They are it is called Single Payer system.

Just an FYI. You know Dems where looked out of the all the meetings regarding repeal and replace. As a matter of fact Ryan had the bill under lock and key until the last minute

The funny part is ACA can be easily fixed by putting back the risk corridor that Mark Rubio removed and paying back millions owed to INsurance companies that congress blocked. simple fix.

Diving Mullah
 
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