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Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

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Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking - CNNPolitics.com

I wonder if he truly did learn a lesson. I took that his "lesson" may be to treat any who opposed him as "persona non grata" and refuse to work with them in the future, which will just make him passing anything that much more more difficult.

I thought it was particularly telling that Trump not only didn't even know much about the bill, he didn't even care. Just get it done and make Trump look good. Pretty much what his detractors have been saying all along.

Interesting when a President can have both Houses technically on his side, and still can't get it done. It's no longer the campaign where you can trick and schmooze a bunch of easily-led suckers with Facebook accounts and other social media presence. It's the real game now, and he has to deal with strong-willed people.
 
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radcen said:
Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking - CNNPolitics.com

I wonder if he truly did learn a lesson. I took that his "lesson" may be to treat any who opposed him as "persona non grata" and refuse to work with them in the future, which will just make him passing anything that much more more difficult.

I thought it was particularly telling that Trump not only didn't even know much about the bill, he didn't even care. Just get it done and make Trump look good. Pretty much what his detractors have been saying all along.

Interesting when a President can have both Houses technically on his side, and still can't get it done. It's no longer the campaign where you can trick and schmooze a bunch of easily-led suckers with Facebook accounts and other social media presence. It's the real game now, and he has to deal with strong-willed people.
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1. It's interesting that conservatives don't care that he is becoming everything that they said he wasn't.
2. It's interesting that he is now wanting to work with others after every hard line, hare brained, extremist idea that he has tried to implement has utterly failed.

I wonder how long before Trump is seen in the eyes of his fans as a hypocrite, it might not be that much longer. Especially since the theory that the country could be run like a business hasn't exactly worked out. Trump is still managing like a CEO. OK. That failed, what's next? I need ideas!!!!! Government does't work like that. Especially if it isn't designed to work like that. The top down approach never works. You have to change things from the bottom up, if you want the government to run like a business a lot has to be changed from the bottom in order for that to happen.
 
radcen said:
Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking - CNNPolitics.com

I wonder if he truly did learn a lesson. I took that his "lesson" may be to treat any who opposed him as "persona non grata" and refuse to work with them in the future, which will just make him passing anything that much more more difficult.

I thought it was particularly telling that Trump not only didn't even know much about the bill, he didn't even care. Just get it done and make Trump look good. Pretty much what his detractors have been saying all along.

Interesting when a President can have both Houses technically on his side, and still can't get it done. It's no longer the campaign where you can trick and schmooze a bunch of easily-led suckers with Facebook accounts and other social media presence. It's the real game now, and he has to deal with strong-willed people.
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There was significant opposition to this bill from all sides. I think the blame falls more on Ryan and those who put the bill together and rushed it to the floor without the requisite support than on Trump. If it wasn't particularly good legislation then it is probably a good thing that it didn't pass.
 
Fletch said:
There was significant opposition to this bill from all sides. I think the blame falls more on Ryan and those who put the bill together and rushed it to the floor without the requisite support than on Trump. If it wasn't particularly good legislation then it is probably a good thing that it didn't pass.
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Trump said we needed to pass the bill in order for him to work on anything else. Trump sets the tone and others follow the leader.
 
It shows what a rank amateur he is and how completely out of his depth he is in politics.

Completely showed his hand. Amateur hour at the Apollo.
 
Fletch said:
There was significant opposition to this bill from all sides. I think the blame falls more on Ryan and those who put the bill together and rushed it to the floor without the requisite support than on Trump. If it wasn't particularly good legislation then it is probably a good thing that it didn't pass.
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As I understand it, there's a May deadline for insurers to set rates and/or dedicate themselves to 2018 for Obamacare. Hence, the need to pass something by March.


ModerateGOP said:
Trump said we needed to pass the bill in order for him to work on anything else. Trump sets the tone and others follow the leader.
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Does that mean that Trump will stop working on everything else? :2razz:


Tanngrisnir said:
It shows what a rank amateur he is and how completely out of his depth he is in politics.

Completely showed his hand. Amateur hour at the Apollo.
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President Trump is what, 0-2 now? :lol:

Significant items, immigrant ban and healthcare. Not counting things where he made showy reiterations of his intent but nothing significant has happened yet.
 
radcen said:
Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking - CNNPolitics.com

I wonder if he truly did learn a lesson. I took that his "lesson" may be to treat any who opposed him as "persona non grata" and refuse to work with them in the future, which will just make him passing anything that much more more difficult.

I thought it was particularly telling that Trump not only didn't even know much about the bill, he didn't even care. Just get it done and make Trump look good. Pretty much what his detractors have been saying all along.

Interesting when a President can have both Houses technically on his side, and still can't get it done. It's no longer the campaign where you can trick and schmooze a bunch of easily-led suckers with Facebook accounts and other social media presence. It's the real game now, and he has to deal with strong-willed people.
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Sounds like you're describing Obama and the ACA.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It shows what a rank amateur he is and how completely out of his depth he is in politics.

Completely showed his hand. Amateur hour at the Apollo.
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Considering he actually keeps a lot of his deals private despite his public persona.
Trump has always been an amateur. He also usually settles his lawsuits and calls that, "Winning."
 
radcen said:
Please elaborate.
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The bill as it progressed through the Senate was different than the one that Obama described on the campaign trail. Same as Trump.

The Bill that was presented for representatives to vote on was assertively supported by Obama even though it was not the one that he had described. Same as Trump.

The leg breaking and the deal making evidenced by the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback kind of deals was telling. I seem to recall another one or two that were not so creatively named. Trump was trying to make similar deals, but actually got his hands dirty, unlike Obama, so there's that...

Nancy Pelosi runs a pretty tight ship. Even in the minority, her caucus functions as a single body of mind numbed robots blindly following her direction.

In the end, the Republicans simply don't like the idea of national health insurance. Democrats do. Also, republicans seem to demonstrate some amount of independent thinking.

I think, in retrospect, Trump should have worked with the Dems and the Reps. He is hated by both sides of the establishment, so, this would have been a natural.

If he got half of both sides, that would have been a victory of sorts all by itself. The poisonous culture in the Congress is horrible.

Anything bi-partisan is hailed as good. The defeat of the Republican Health Care bill was a bi-partisan triumph.
 
I find it implausible that Trump learns lessons.
 
code1211 said:
The bill as it progressed through the Senate was different than the one that Obama described on the campaign trail. Same as Trump.

The Bill that was presented for representatives to vote on was assertively supported by Obama even though it was not the one that he had described. Same as Trump.
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Obama got the deal done. Not the same as Trump.
 
Greenbeard said:
Obama got the deal done. Not the same as Trump.
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Pelosi got the deal done.

Lacking an independent thinker within the entire Democrat House Caucus helped her immensely.

Having a leg breaker like her in charge helps to hold that Caucus together in lock step obedience to their leader.
 
code1211 said:
The bill as it progressed through the Senate was different than the one that Obama described on the campaign trail. Same as Trump.

The Bill that was presented for representatives to vote on was assertively supported by Obama even though it was not the one that he had described. Same as Trump.

The leg breaking and the deal making evidenced by the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback kind of deals was telling. I seem to recall another one or two that were not so creatively named. Trump was trying to make similar deals, but actually got his hands dirty, unlike Obama, so there's that...

Nancy Pelosi runs a pretty tight ship. Even in the minority, her caucus functions as a single body of mind numbed robots blindly following her direction.

In the end, the Republicans simply don't like the idea of national health insurance. Democrats do. Also, republicans seem to demonstrate some amount of independent thinking.

I think, in retrospect, Trump should have worked with the Dems and the Reps. He is hated by both sides of the establishment, so, this would have been a natural.

If he got half of both sides, that would have been a victory of sorts all by itself. The poisonous culture in the Congress is horrible.

Anything bi-partisan is hailed as good. The defeat of the Republican Health Care bill was a bi-partisan triumph.
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Ok, got'cha.

As far as the part in red, you mean just like pretty much any and every significant bill that goes through Congress. That scenario is in no way unique to these two.
 
code1211 said:
Pelosi got the deal done.

Lacking an independent thinker within the entire Democrat House Caucus helped her immensely.

Having a leg breaker like her in charge helps to hold that Caucus together in lock step obedience to their leader.
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So it looks like we've got:

Pelosi > Ryan
Obama > Trump
 
Lets review a few key points:

* As previously stated, Trump is in way over his head.
* In order to learn, you have to have "humility". Trump has no humility.
* People with no character always blame others for their own mistakes. Trump's character would need to be measured in negative numbers.
* Trump didn't even study the AHCA. He was only interesting in being able to tout "We are keeping another campaign pledge".
* Trump's main focus is tax reform. This is the item that affects his own pocketbook.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Lets review a few key points:

* As previously stated, Trump is in way over his head.
* In order to learn, you have to have "humility". Trump has no humility.
* People with no character always blame others for their own mistakes. Trump's character would need to be measured in negative numbers.
* Trump didn't even study the AHCA. He was only interesting in being able to tout "We are keeping another campaign pledge".
* Trump's main focus is tax reform. This is the item that affects his own pocketbook.
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Confidence is one thing, and very desirable, in a leader. Always blaming others for every setback, major and minor, is not confidence. It's inner weakness.

When is the last time... in his life... that Trump has said, "I screwed up on that one."?
 
ModerateGOP said:
Trump said we needed to pass the bill in order for him to work on anything else. Trump sets the tone and others follow the leader.
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Huh. That's funny, because he said he's moving on to tax reform.
 
radcen said:
Confidence is one thing, and very desirable, in a leader. Always blaming others for every setback, major and minor, is not confidence. It's inner weakness.

When is the last time... in his life... that Trump has said, "I screwed up on that one."?
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This comment cuts pretty deep. Trump needs to learn humility first and then other things will fall in place.


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Winston said:
This comment cuts pretty deep. Trump needs to learn humility first and then other things will fall in place.
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Sure, but given that he's most likely a sociopath, and has always been able to shield his inner issues with lots of money, and that he has 70-ish years of people bowing to him and reinforcing his behavior due to his wealth, that's not likely to happen.
 
radcen said:
Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking

Sources: Trump learned a lesson on dealmaking - CNNPolitics.com

I wonder if he truly did learn a lesson. I took that his "lesson" may be to treat any who opposed him as "persona non grata" and refuse to work with them in the future, which will just make him passing anything that much more more difficult.

I thought it was particularly telling that Trump not only didn't even know much about the bill, he didn't even care. Just get it done and make Trump look good. Pretty much what his detractors have been saying all along.

Interesting when a President can have both Houses technically on his side, and still can't get it done. It's no longer the campaign where you can trick and schmooze a bunch of easily-led suckers with Facebook accounts and other social media presence. It's the real game now, and he has to deal with strong-willed people.
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Could you cut and paste the part of the article that implies he "learned a lesson?" Because from everything I've been reading, he's blamed everybody but me personally (and chances are I might find a surprise waiting for me the next time I check on his twitter feed).
 
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