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ObamaCare is succeeding at all of its primary goals!

While not an original terminal objective of the ACA, it has succeeded in making Republicans look incompetent at governing TWICE now.............:)
 
MrPeanut said:
I think it will take a long time to get to single payer. A lot of people are talking about it now, which is a huge step forward, but there is way too much money in healthcare.
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People have been talking for it most of my life. However they do not represent the majority of Americans. That's why we do not have a single payer system now. Obamacare is is and always has been unpopular,. Single payer would be even more unpopular. All of the single payer proponents think it would be free healthcare at the point of service. It would not be. You would still pay premiums and face decutibles and co-payements. It would be much basically be medicare. And it would come with waiting lists and doctor shortages.
 
ObamacareFail said:
People have been talking for it most of my life. However they do not represent the majority of Americans. That's why we do not have a single payer system now. Obamacare is is and always has been unpopular,. Single payer would be even more unpopular. All of the single payer proponents think it would be free healthcare at the point of service. It would not be. You would still pay premiums and face decutibles and co-payements. It would be much basically be medicare. And it would come with waiting lists and doctor shortages.
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And even with the high taxes, premiums, deductables, and co-payments...

... with open borders, it will go bankrupt in short order. In less than a decade, the best of Single Payers systems will be in collapse, just like the ACA is now!

Because you cannot give away something of high value and high cost, to anyone and everyone in the world, and not go Bankrupt!

But that is why the Far-Lefties are doing it!

They are Counting on the Single Payer System Collapsing just like they are counting on the ACA collapsing to get the single payer system in place!

So, 1000 Bonus Points if you figure out WHY the Far-Lefties WANT the American Single Payer system to Collapse under the weight of open border costs!?

Who on this forum has enough insight to see it ?!

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MrPeanut said:
Wait, so the the purpose of the ACA was to cover more people and transition to single payer? That definitely earns a "Thanks Obama" from me.
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Do you know of any country that has single payer system that works?
 
Kurmugeon said:
It is sad to see, and many Americans will pay horribly for the Democrats actions in creating the ACA, but it is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do!

And it will only get allot worse!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...ter-an-unfunny-comedy-of-errors/#69aeb0485d5b


ObamaCare is succeeding in all four of its primary goals:

1] Destroy the <---2008 Health Insurance and Care system which hundreds of millions of American used and relied upon for decades... because it was in the way!

2] Give better health care to illegal immigrants and transgenerational welfare receptiants, than recieved by the average, WORKING, Middle class American!

3] Preventing the creation of any NEW and functional health care system, based on the <----2008 type of concepts, from being re-implemented!

4] ObamaCare is going bankrupt, and about to completely collapse and leave 100s of Millions of Americans with no health care at all... as it was always designed to do!


ObamaCare is NOT, and never was designed to be a functional, working, health care or health insurance system!

ObamaCare is and has always been a form of Political and Governmental Sabotage!

ObamaCare has never been intended as a solution, is a deliberately created Health Care Crisis!

ObamaCare is and always has been a WRECKING BALL!

ObamaCare is about destroying what worked pretty well for most Americans, to make a Government Controlled Single Payer System the ONLY OPTION!

Have you figured out your Option Out of the coming disaster?

GOD DAMN THE LEFT!

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Just like we were all supposed to be dead from Ebola right?
 
Kurmugeon said:
It is sad to see, and many Americans will pay horribly for the Democrats actions in creating the ACA, but it is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do!

And it will only get allot worse!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...ter-an-unfunny-comedy-of-errors/#69aeb0485d5b


ObamaCare is succeeding in all four of its primary goals:

1] Destroy the <---2008 Health Insurance and Care system which hundreds of millions of American used and relied upon for decades... because it was in the way!

2] Give better health care to illegal immigrants and transgenerational welfare receptiants, than recieved by the average, WORKING, Middle class American!

3] Preventing the creation of any NEW and functional health care system, based on the <----2008 type of concepts, from being re-implemented!

4] ObamaCare is going bankrupt, and about to completely collapse and leave 100s of Millions of Americans with no health care at all... as it was always designed to do!


ObamaCare is NOT, and never was designed to be a functional, working, health care or health insurance system!

ObamaCare is and has always been a form of Political and Governmental Sabotage!

ObamaCare has never been intended as a solution, is a deliberately created Health Care Crisis!

ObamaCare is and always has been a WRECKING BALL!

ObamaCare is about destroying what worked pretty well for most Americans, to make a Government Controlled Single Payer System the ONLY OPTION!

Have you figured out your Option Out of the coming disaster?

GOD DAMN THE LEFT!

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It's not President Obama's fault that republicans are incapable of actually coming up with anything better than Obamacare.
 
MrPeanut said:
Is this a trick question? Virtually all of them.
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I don't think so. I only know of Canada, which ranks 30th, and the UK, which ranks 79th. Most good systems use a combination, like the US, of public and private.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Found another source-only Canada and Taiwan are single payer.
The British system is technically not single-payer, as it consists of a number of financially and legally autonomous trusts and private health insurance options are also allowed. Only Canada and Taiwan have true single-payer systems
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare
 
ObamacareFail said:
Unfortunately for you, despite the fact that obamacare is a wrecking ball, the republicans with the help of the US Supreme Court did kill the clause that would have switched us into single payer upon obamacare's collapse. Now it would take new legislation to get us there. Single payer is never going to become a reality.
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One can only hope that will be the case.
 
MrPeanut said:
I think it will take a long time to get to single payer. A lot of people are talking about it now, which is a huge step forward, but there is way too much money in healthcare.
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So the solution is to destroy what was a functioning healthcare system with a majority satisfied with it, destroy all the health insurance companies, the hospitals, the doctors and other healthcare practitioners, take all the money out of it, so that the government can go in, take over, control all of it, and control your life from cradle to grave? And charge you something like 30% of your income (in taxes to support it) whether you use the healthcare system or not.

I'm not sure I can find anything in that to agree with.
 
Kurmugeon said:
It is sad to see, and many Americans will pay horribly for the Democrats actions in creating the ACA, but it is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do!

And it will only get allot worse!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...ter-an-unfunny-comedy-of-errors/#69aeb0485d5b


ObamaCare is succeeding in all four of its primary goals:

1] Destroy the <---2008 Health Insurance and Care system which hundreds of millions of American used and relied upon for decades... because it was in the way!

2] Give better health care to illegal immigrants and transgenerational welfare receptiants, than recieved by the average, WORKING, Middle class American!

3] Preventing the creation of any NEW and functional health care system, based on the <----2008 type of concepts, from being re-implemented!

4] ObamaCare is going bankrupt, and about to completely collapse and leave 100s of Millions of Americans with no health care at all... as it was always designed to do!


ObamaCare is NOT, and never was designed to be a functional, working, health care or health insurance system!

ObamaCare is and has always been a form of Political and Governmental Sabotage!

ObamaCare has never been intended as a solution, is a deliberately created Health Care Crisis!

ObamaCare is and always has been a WRECKING BALL!

ObamaCare is about destroying what worked pretty well for most Americans, to make a Government Controlled Single Payer System the ONLY OPTION!

Have you figured out your Option Out of the coming disaster?

GOD DAMN THE LEFT!

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It's hilarious that the right-wing nuts have control of all 3 branches of government and they still can't get over the last 8 years. I don't know if the right-wing is to stupid to realize they're in control and can craft their own legislation or are just too immoral or weak-minded to realize they can.

Quit whining about the left. If you don't like the way things are, change them. But again, the right-wing is too stupid and too morally bankrupt to govern.
 
I said so from day one although I was on another forum at the time. ObamaCare is going to do more to destroy America than even the Moslems.
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Yes! ... ObamaCare is designed as one of several stepping stone to destroy America...

But WHY are the Lefties planning on and even critically counting on the eventual Collapse of an American Single Payer Health Care system from the fiscal burdens placed on it from Open-Borders?!!

I spend allot of time, as an anonymous fly on the wall, in Liberal/Progressive ONLY chat rooms, forums, and Blogs.

They KNOW that any American Single Payer Health care system is going to fail under the Fiscal Burdens of Open-Borders, but they're advocating Open-Borders all the same!

They are counting on the destruction of the Single Payer Health Care system they are working so hard to create! WHY?!

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I can`t believe they didn`t let the President Trump flush it and start with something better
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I agree... Nor do I think he and most conservatives understand where this is all really going...

WHY does the Left not care than the Single Payer Health Care system they're working so damn hard to get established is going to fiscally collapse

under the burden of Open-Borders!?

It is essential that those of the Non-Far-Left understand this thang!

I'll give you hint, .... it is a very Cloward-Piven Strategy kind of Thang.

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Kurmugeon said:
And even with the high taxes, premiums, deductables, and co-payments...

... with open borders, it will go bankrupt in short order. In less than a decade, the best of Single Payers systems will be in collapse, just like the ACA is now!

Because you cannot give away something of high value and high cost, to anyone and everyone in the world, and not go Bankrupt!

But that is why the Far-Lefties are doing it!

They are Counting on the Single Payer System Collapsing just like they are counting on the ACA collapsing to get the single payer system in place!

So, 1000 Bonus Points if you figure out WHY the Far-Lefties WANT the American Single Payer system to Collapse under the weight of open border costs!?

Who on this forum has enough insight to see it ?!

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World wide globalism.
 
ObamacareFail said:
World wide globalism.
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Yes! World Wide Global Government Based on the U.N.!

You see, they plan to use the Collapse of the American Single Payer System, to justify and predicate the creation of a world government tax system, and from it, One World Government, to cover the costs to Americans and their health care system which is caring for the Catastrophically-Ill people from all over the world, due to America's Open-Borders.

Americans will have no choice but to accept the new World-Tax and Government system, to bail out their crippled and bankrupt Single Payer HealthCare system.

The two; Single Payer HealthCare, used in combination with Open-Borders, will make common, middle class Americans DEMAND a World Tax system to pay for the costs of caring for the World's Sick People, who have flocked to America!

They are going to use and abuse the Open-Borders Collaspe of the American Single Payer System, in much the same way that they are using the Collapse of the ACA to create the Single Payer System. Give them credit for Consistency.

BTW, ObamaCareFail, you are the first person on any forum to fully see it! Here, 1000 Bonus Points!

That is the long range plans of the Far-Left, for the Single Payer HealthCare system.

Nothing less than World Socialist Domination!

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In his final address to the U.N., President Obama stated that America must surrender its soveriegnty to Global Government, and he made financial appeal reasons for doing so:

Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government – Awareness Act

Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government


In his last address to the United Nations Tuesday, President Barack
Obama urged citizens to embrace a One World Government. These
politicians really are beginning to sound like broken records, and what
is even worse, they are not even trying to hide their plans anymore;
people just are not paying attention.

In addition to praising the bankster loan shark operations run out of
the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Obama called for
“global integration,” in other words, a one world government.
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Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government

Obama: America Must Surrender Sovereignty, Embrace One World Government

Published: September 22, 2016

Earlier this week Barack Obama delivered his final United Nations speech.

In addition to praising the bankster loan shark operations run out of
the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, Obama called for
“global integration,” code for a one-world government.

“I believe that at this moment we all face a choice. We can choose to
press forward with a better model of cooperation and integration. Or we
can retreat into a world sharply divided, and ultimately in conflict,
along age-old lines of nation and tribe and race and religion,” he said.

In short, Obama has renewed the call to end national sovereignty.



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Here is the complete Transcript of Obama's final U.N. Speech:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...-71st-session-united-nations-general-assembly

eptember 20, 2016





Address by President Obama to the 71st Session of the United Nations General Assembly






The United Nations

New York, New York


10:29 A.M. EDT

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Mr. President; Mr. Secretary General; fellow
delegates; ladies and gentlemen: As I address this hall as President
for the final time, let me recount the progress that we’ve made these
last eight years.


From the depths of the greatest financial crisis of our time, we
coordinated our response to avoid further catastrophe and return the
global economy to growth. We’ve taken away terrorist safe havens,
strengthened the nonproliferation regime, resolved the Iranian nuclear
issue through diplomacy. We opened relations with Cuba, helped Colombia
end Latin America’s longest war, and we welcome a democratically
elected leader of Myanmar to this Assembly. Our assistance is helping
people feed themselves, care for the sick, power communities across
Africa, and promote models of development rather than dependence. And
we have made international institutions like the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund more representative, while establishing a
framework to protect our planet from the ravages of climate change.


This is important work. It has made a real difference in the lives of
our people. And it could not have happened had we not worked together.
And yet, around the globe we are seeing the same forces of global
integration that have made us interdependent also expose deep fault
lines in the existing international order.
We see it in the headlines every day. Around the world, refugees flow across borders in flight from brutal conflict. Financial disruptions continue to weigh upon our workers and entire communities. Across vast swaths of the Middle East, basic security, basic order has broken down. We see too many governments muzzling journalists, and quashing dissent, and censoring the flow of information. Terrorist networks use social media to...
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The Far-Lefties are not making a big secret about their plans...
 
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