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The Orange guy has made a laughing stock out of himself and his party and has the people who care about the needy and understand that it is our Christian responsibility to take care of the Needy dancing little jigs and laughing their heads off as The right and it's mentally disabled president goes down in flames.
 
jbander said:
The Orange guy has made a laughing stock out of himself and his party and has the people who care about the needy and understand that it is our Christian responsibility to take care of the Needy dancing little jigs and laughing their heads off as The right and it's mentally disabled president goes down in flames.
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Here's the thing. I despise Trump but realistically the guy isn't going to get all he wants as president. But the reason he is ridiculed so much is his gigantic ego can't take that fact so he points fingers at others and either lies or spins it to where even Ttump supporters are like "huh? Did he just say that?". Trump is simply embarrassing at this time and I'm glad people hat voted for him are seeing this as well.
 
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Praxas said:
Here's the thing. I despise Trump but realistically the guy isn't going to get all he wants as president. But the reason he is ridiculed so much is his gigantic ego can't take that fact so he points fingers at others and either lies or spins it to where even Ttump supporters are like "huh? Did he just say that?". Trump is simply embarrassing at this time and I'm glad people hat voted for him are seeing this as well.
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It's more then that, the man is dangerous to this country. What happened is they elected a mentally ill hate candidate and parked him next to the little red button that once pushed ends mankind And that monster selected the cabinet that goes along with this mentally ill hater . He and the rest of these monsters have to go. This is a step in the right direction. It doesn't end there though , the people who elected this man because of what came out of his mouth are sick themselves and that has to be remembered.
 
It's the Democrats fault, well thank you Democrats, I thank you and the country thanks you. What a failure.
 
jbander said:
The Orange guy has made a laughing stock out of himself and his party and has the people who care about the needy and understand that it is our Christian responsibility to take care of the Needy dancing little jigs and laughing their heads off as The right and it's mentally disabled president goes down in flames.
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It might be wise for the dancers to come to grips with the fact responsibility for Obamacare just got thrown back in the lap of those who created it.

If they were paying attention, they would notice the song changed to "Taps".
 
ocean515 said:
It might be wise for the dancers to come to grips with the fact responsibility for Obamacare just got thrown back in the lap of those who created it.

If they were paying attention, they would notice the song changed to "Taps".
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Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Well said! :thumbs: :mrgreen: I don't think the GOP is finished with this - it's more like round one of having a new team at bat in this very important political game, and they now have many innings left to play at their own pace, with time now to work on winning.

The Dems were never going to allow it to be repealed while they were in charge, and in retrospect perhaps they should have, since it now still belongs to them. Most people don't like it any better than they ever did, and with premiums and out-of-pocket expenses getting close to being ridiculous, more will join them.

It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it! :rock:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Well said! :thumbs: :mrgreen: I don't think the GOP is finished with this - it's more like round one of having a new team at bat in this very important political game, and they now have many innings left to play at their own pace, with time now to work on winning.

The Dems were never going to allow it to be repealed while they were in charge, and in retrospect perhaps they should have, since it now still belongs to them. Most people don't like it any better than they ever did, and with premiums and out-of-pocket expenses getting close to being ridiculous, more will join them.

It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it! :rock:
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I see you've received the Trump Org, White House Division talking points in a timely manner!:lol:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Well said! :thumbs: :mrgreen: I don't think the GOP is finished with this - it's more like round one of having a new team at bat in this very important political game, and they now have many innings left to play at their own pace, with time now to work on winning.

The Dems were never going to allow it to be repealed while they were in charge, and in retrospect perhaps they should have, since it now still belongs to them. Most people don't like it any better than they ever did, and with premiums and out-of-pocket expenses getting close to being ridiculous, more will join them.

It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it! :rock:
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Lol. The "it belongs to the Dems" logic is sickness. The party of "personal responsibility" is in control and rather than admit it is failing at governing, it and its followers cast blame and distort their own thinking that being in charge somehow absolves them of their failure to fix the very problem they have campaigned for 7 years that they are the only ones who can fix. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn pathetic.
 
The Talking heads were saying that Obamacare politics killed Democrats in congress, so Republicans fear doing any healthcare out of self preservation. It's not some master strategy, the idea that those bozos could do anything that complex and long reaching is just absurd.

I think this "waiting until it implodes" is just spin on what amounted to a fearful Republican congress. Well that, coupled with the fact that they have no idea what to do with healthcare in general.

It's a gamble.
Pre-obamacare healthcare costs were spiraling.
THey are still spiraling with Obamacare.

The only thing Republicans can even attempt to pitch is that repealing Obamacare will solve things? No, healthcare spending was out of control AND people didn't have coverage.

So we'll probably end up with closer to single payer when all is said and done. That's where the rest of the free world went, I think the writing is on the wall.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I see you've received the Trump Org, White House Division talking points in a timely manner!:lol:
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Greetings, RickJames3000. :2wave:

Nah, if I ever got talking points from either party, which I wouldn't believe anyway, I would still only watch what Governor Kasich does, and he's not commenting on this topic. He's been hard at work for many years visiting enough States to get a Balanced Budget Amendment passed and ratified, and I think that's far more important to the people of this Country than arguing about any health care plans that either party might come up with. If we keep adding debt at the rate we're going, nobody will have enough money left to pay for health care anyway, unless it's free! :mrgreen:
 
RickJames3000 said:
I see you've received the Trump Org, White House Division talking points in a timely manner!:lol:
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Lol, funny how libs cannot fathom people actually having original thoughts. Just because you and your ilk regurgitate issued talking points on a daily basis, doesn't mean everyone does. Stop projecting.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, RickJames3000. :2wave:

Nah, if I ever got talking points from either party, which I wouldn't believe anyway, I would still only watch what Governor Kasich does, and he's not commenting on this topic. He's been hard at work for many years visiting enough States to get a Balanced Budget Amendment passed and ratified, and I think that's far more important to the people of this Country than arguing about any health care plans that either party might come up with. If we keep adding debt at the rate we're going, nobody will have enough money left to pay for health care anyway, unless it's free! :mrgreen:
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I hear ya... but it sure seemed that (from reading your quote: "It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it!" ) you were declaring victory for the Trump administration, exactly like they themselves are doing (see link below). But perhaps you and the Trump spin-masters are simply like-minded parties? :shrug:

6 ways President Trump tried to spin his total defeat on health care - Vox
 
countryboy said:
Lol, funny how libs cannot fathom people actually having original thoughts. Just because you and your ilk regurgitate issued talking points on a daily basis, doesn't mean everyone does. Stop projecting.
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Are you trying to prove Polgara speaks for herself by making her defense for her?
See post#13 and try to come up with a rational counterargument.
 
jbander said:
The Orange guy has made a laughing stock out of himself and his party and has the people who care about the needy and understand that it is our Christian responsibility to take care of the Needy dancing little jigs and laughing their heads off as The right and it's mentally disabled president goes down in flames.
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I heard him on CBC last night. The line that caught me was "we'll live with Obamacare for awhile" as though it were no real issue, kind of "so what", like he had not spent the last year and a half claiming it was destroying America.

You've elected a con man, a stealer and liar.

The shame is not just his, not just the Republicans, but the entire country.

I look forward to the street celebrations for the "greatest first 100 days in history"

For him maybe
 
Vetplus40 said:
Trump nay now realize that this is "big boy" stuff, and he isn't in Kansas anymore.
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I have a feeling he realized he was in over his head the day he claimed his inauguration was the most well attended in history and it blew up in his face.

Donald can't over-exaggerate any more or he will spend his term warring with the media over patty claims and I think that has hobbled his "Style"

Whether he knows it or not, he IS in over his head. Negotiating a land deal is a lot less complex than balancing the varying needs of allies, trying to negotiate common ground on controversial legislation....fail, fail, fail.
 
jbander said:
The Orange guy has made a laughing stock out of himself and his party and has the people who care about the needy and understand that it is our Christian responsibility to take care of the Needy dancing little jigs and laughing their heads off as The right and it's mentally disabled president goes down in flames.
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You think it's funny, but there are real people out there struggling.
 
ocean515 said:
It might be wise for the dancers to come to grips with the fact responsibility for Obamacare just got thrown back in the lap of those who created it.

If they were paying attention, they would notice the song changed to "Taps".
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When was responsibility NOT that of the Democrats?

FFS Obama's name is on it. Did you think somebody would forget?

However the responsibility for making good on the primary promise of Trump's election - repealing and replacing Obamacare for a plan that "covers everyone" in the 1st 100 days is now, yet another lie.

Another huge FAIL on Trumps resume and we're not done 100 days. Pathethic

The responsibility for trust in government has been abandoned.

Sorry, but all the Democrats have done since the inauguration is laugh out loud with the rest of us.
 
Fearandloathing said:
When was responsibility NOT that of the Democrats?

FFS Obama's name is on it. Did you think somebody would forget?

However the responsibility for making good on the primary promise of Trump's election - repealing and replacing Obamacare for a plan that "covers everyone" in the 1st 100 days is now, yet another lie.

Another huge FAIL on Trumps resume and we're not done 100 days. Pathethic

The responsibility for trust in government has been abandoned.

Sorry, but all the Democrats have done since the inauguration is laugh out loud with the rest of us.
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I think these Republicans were elected to oppose, I think obstruction and opposition are habit-forming and those bozos are unable to govern.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

Well said! :thumbs: :mrgreen: I don't think the GOP is finished with this - it's more like round one of having a new team at bat in this very important political game, and they now have many innings left to play at their own pace, with time now to work on winning.

The Dems were never going to allow it to be repealed while they were in charge, and in retrospect perhaps they should have, since it now still belongs to them. Most people don't like it any better than they ever did, and with premiums and out-of-pocket expenses getting close to being ridiculous, more will join them.

It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it! :rock:
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Wow, never thought I'd see you buy into Trump talking points.

If Trump won this one, I **** diamonds.

Gone is his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare in the first 100 days. He is on record in several places explaining why waiting was NOT an opion, the country was being "destroyed"

So if you believe anything Trump says, you have to believe that he is quite willing to allow another YEAR of destruction of the country because he's too ****ing incompetent to negotiate a deal WITHIN his own party.

And now you're OK with the country being "destroyed" for another whole year in the hopeless belief the people who have had eight years to write a comprehensive plan, will somehow magically find a solution.
Also, the Republicans made a huge deal about a number of claimed alternatives to Obamacare that the Democrats wouldn't let them table: Boo hoo, where are they? If they were so much better in 2009 how come they seem to be forgotten now?
They lie. The lie to cover up the original lie and its all the Democrats fault

You will know that I was on side with all of that until Trump.
Now I see it as the two parties are pretty much the same, just that Republicans are far more stupid, and way better liars.

Another year to get it right when they've had eight, during which they claimed to have alternatives now can't even get enough votes in their own party.

Fail.
the party that claimed that had several packages to offer that the Democrats wouldn't let them table. Boo Hoo. Where are those bills now?
 
Grand Mal said:
I think these Republicans were elected to oppose, I think obstruction and opposition are habit-forming and those bozos are unable to govern.
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Remember the Joe Clark government?

Same deal. They've been in that wonderful position of being able to take shots at everything to becoming the everything and hate being shot at.
What amazes me is that I have been on the same page of many, many members in here in criticizing Obama. Now those same people applaud Trump what they condemned in Obama.\

It appears to be a whole nation of hypocrites.
 
Praxas said:
Here's the thing. I despise Trump but realistically the guy isn't going to get all he wants as president. But the reason he is ridiculed so much is his gigantic ego can't take that fact so he points fingers at others and either lies or spins it to where even Ttump supporters are like "huh? Did he just say that?". Trump is simply embarrassing at this time and I'm glad people hat voted for him are seeing this as well.
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That's what has gotten him in trouble in the first place. His grandiose nature of everything is the 'best" or the "worst", "greatest ever" and other PT Barnum quotes are believed!

Without experience in government, without knowing anything of government processes he has promised more than can be delivered. And he can't stand, can't allow a negative comment to stand. '

He's always been able to get away with his bull****. Now he's being called on it and he can't take it.

I predict he's going to try to silence some of his critics in the media....
 
ocean515 said:
It might be wise for the dancers to come to grips with the fact responsibility for Obamacare just got thrown back in the lap of those who created it.

If they were paying attention, they would notice the song changed to "Taps".
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Ridiculous , this needs adjustments like every bill this size has needed through our history. Now what this hate group will do is try everything in their power to stop those adjustments because they don't give a **** about these people and are motivated by two things , the hate a black man and the people making $250,000.00 a year that are paying for it. There is no other real reason. None. The hate party lost a big one and it will continue to collapse around them and they deserve it big time.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I hear ya... but it sure seemed that (from reading your quote: "It looks like Trump has won this one, since the GOP just might be able to come up with something better, and they now have given themselves the time to do it!" ) you were declaring victory for the Trump administration, exactly like they themselves are doing (see link below). But perhaps you and the Trump spin-masters are simply like-minded parties? :shrug:

6 ways President Trump tried to spin his total defeat on health care - Vox
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Well, when everything is laid out on the table, like you did with the six points you made in your post (which I had no inkling he said them BTW, until after I read your response to my post), I guess I have to ask you how it became his defeat?

1. He's learning that government runs differently than business - but he needed to learn that, IMO, as quickly as possible. And since I worked in the business world for many years, I know what I'm saying is true.

2. It's true that many in the GOP didn't vote for it, apparently because they didn't agree with parts of it, but I believe that's a good thing, because it could prevent bad bills from becoming law. In any event, Trump may have hoped it would sail right on through, but it didn't - which is a point I made in #1 above.

3. I don't know what approach the Dems might take next, but too many voters are unhappy with Obamacare, so something will have to be done to change it.

4. This is correct.

5. I have no idea what his agenda is, but it appears he is trying to keep his campaign promises, so I will give him that.

6. I agree, as I stated in my first post.

When I said we might end up with something better, that was not a criticism of Obama, but rather the people who actually wrote it. It's not working like they hoped it would, but anything that requires over 100,000 pages to explain is just too complicated to be workable, IMO. Hopefully it can be better done whoever has that job next.

"The ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic was built by professionals." Which one sunk?
 
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