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Should the Media Apologize to Trump?

yankintx said:
Try as you might it all cimes back to:

Obama tapped my phone

Some of us our not so easily distracred from the false drama aka Trump. If it quaks like a Russian duck...
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LOL! Obama DID tap his phone.

That's why Obama operatives may now go to jail if the unmasking of citizens was done improperly.

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Do you see how hard it is to expose the truth ? This Nunes guy could become chopped mince meat by the Left in 48 hours.
Once corruptions set in it hard to bring the truth to light . Even when you are sent to Washington to clean it up like Trump.

Intelligence Expert: Obama Committed Surveillance Crimes
The whistleblower Mr. Montgomery left the NSA and CIA with 47 hard drives and 600 million pages of information
exposing the illegal surveillance on prominent Americans during the Obama years including Donald Trump.

'Comey was not truthful with that committee. He was not truthful while under oath… These intelligence agencies
during the Obama administration in particular, were surveilling all Americans and very prominent
Americans like President Trump who is a businessman like me, like others, without probable cause.
And that is a crime. And these people need to frankly go to jail for what they’ve done.'
 
humbolt said:
No. What it actually says is that Schiff claims it's more than circumstantial. He didn't reveal any evidence.
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And this is different than Nunes claiming he has a source, how exactly...?

If you're going to have a standard, you should apply it equitably or it's not a standard at all.
 
Redress said:
Should you apologize for the pinecones the storm last night blew into my pool? That is exactly as nonsensical as your question.
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You should ask the geogia pines yourself to apologize, but do not expect anything straight forward, those georgia pines are real shady.
 
Vox said:
LOL! Obama DID tap his phone.

That's why Obama operatives may now go to jail if the unmasking of citizens was done improperly.

:2usflag:
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Obamas henchmen. will get what is due to them and the aftershocks of the extent of what is revealed in its
totality will stun people beyond belief. How much his many and the extent of how long right under our nose..it will be shocking.

Watch for it!
 
humbolt said:
So it's perfectly fine that the president's personal phone calls are disseminated because of inadvertent surveillance? :roll:
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That isn't what I posted about. I'm not a Trump devotee, therefore I'm not easily led like a little kid. So get back to what I posted about. Chairman Nunes said that there is NO evidence that Barack Obama ordered a tap(p) on Trump's phone/wires. He said it did NOT happen as President Trump claimed. That is a fact.
 
yankintx said:
Do you have a link or cite for the transcripts of the calls?
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No. I can only link the reports. The NSA is the source of the transcripts, and they haven't been provided in their entirety yet, and they haven 't been released to the public.
 
Visbek said:
And this is different than Nunes claiming he has a source, how exactly...?

If you're going to have a standard, you should apply it equitably or it's not a standard at all.
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Nune's source is the NSA. And Schiff's is? Lemme guess. Harry Reid.
 
tres borrachos said:
That isn't what I posted about. I'm not a Trump devotee, therefore I'm not easily led like a little kid. So get back to what I posted about. Chairman Nunes said that there is NO evidence that Barack Obama ordered a tap(p) on Trump's phone/wires. He said it did NOT happen as President Trump claimed. That is a fact.
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It happened. That is a fact. You seem to be hinging your entire, "I'm not a kid" junk on the fact that it's claimed to be inadvertent. Heh. So tell me, "not a kid" exactly what the difference is between inadvertent surveillance and intentional surveillance when we already know that the "inadvertently" surveilled had their names and the content of the surveillance unmasked and leaked?
 
Primer on doing legal illegal wiretapping from someone who held an above Top Secret Clearance for many years.

You identify people that talk with Trump on the phone often.

You wiretap all the ones you can make up an excuse to wiretap--foreigners, lawbreakers, left-handed people, immigrants, suspected jaywalkers, anyone with a foreign accent, suspected tax evaders and TV and movie stars and those who eat at Russian restaurants and drink vodka.

Thus as you listen to THEM........you can also listen to Trump's conversations and, OF COURSE, it's ONLY BY ACCIDENT--so it's totally OK!!!!

It's totally legal. You get tons of useful information to use against Trump.

Happy Endings.

ONLY........YOU GET CAUGHT RELEASING THAT INFORMATION--WHICH IS CLASSIFIED!!!

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Their use of fake "sources" is hilarious.

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Vox said:
That's just semantics.

The key fact is that Obama spooks were listening to Trump's phone calls, just as Trump said.......whether you call it wiretapping or not is just playing with words.

Trump was right.......as usual.

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Words have meaning. They may not to your president or you.

I understand that is why Trump supporters believe every word he says.
 
1750Texan said:
Words have meaning. They may not to your president or you.

I understand that is why Trump supporters believe every word he says.
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Words DO have meaning.

Semantics.

Do you know the meaning?

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humbolt said:
It happened. That is a fact. You seem to be hinging your entire, "I'm not a kid" junk on the fact that it's claimed to be inadvertent. Heh. So tell me, "not a kid" exactly what the difference is between inadvertent surveillance and intentional surveillance when we already know that the "inadvertently" surveilled had their names and the content of the surveillance unmasked and leaked?
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It happened? Let's see some proof. Because Chairman Nunes said it never happened. The ball is in your court to prove otherwise since you just called Trumpnation hero Devin Nunes a liar.
 
tres borrachos said:
It happened? Let's see some proof. Because Chairman Nunes said it never happened. The ball is in your court to prove otherwise since you just called Trumpnation hero Devin Nunes a liar.
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Wiretapped data was used in the investigation of Trump aides. So said the NYT and so the result proves, or we wouldn't know what Flynn talked about with the Russian ambassador. As a matter of fact, we wouldn't know that Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador at all in the instance cited because if the law had been followed, Flynn's name would have been masked. These things are already established. I'm not a part of Trumpnation, a Trumpbot, or whatever the derogatory term of the day is. I'm simply defending the truth here. And I don't care about Devin Nunes. His reputation is his, where ever he takes it.
 
Vox said:
Now that Nunes has told us that Obama Administration spooks were indeed listening to some calls from Trump Tower.......

Should the Media apologize to Trump for calling him a liar?
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We're all apologizing to the world about tRump
 
tres borrachos said:
It happened? Let's see some proof. Because Chairman Nunes said it never happened. The ball is in your court to prove otherwise since you just called Trumpnation hero Devin Nunes a liar.
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Tres ... looking at this whole thing as D.C./Intel outsiders ... I am and I presume you are too ... let me ask you something in all seriousness.
In theory ... hypothetically ...
Let's say Kislyak was the target in a wiretap warrant.
Let's say he placed a phone call to Trump so it was recorded.
1) could you say the conversation was wiretapped?
2) could you say Kislyak was wiretapped?
3) could you say that Trump was wiretapped?
 
bubbabgone said:
Tres ... looking at this whole thing as D.C./Intel outsiders ... I am and I presume you are too ... let me ask you something in all seriousness.
In theory ... hypothetically ...
Let's say Kislyak was the target in a wiretap warrant.
Let's say he placed a phone call to Trump so it was recorded.
1) could you say the conversation was wiretapped?
2) could you say Kislyak was wiretapped?
3) could you say that Trump was wiretapped?
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What does any of that have to do with Trump's claim that Obama ordered a tap(p) on HIS phones? And he's a "bad/sick guy"? And a good lawyer could make a case out of it?
 
humbolt said:
Wiretapped data was used in the investigation of Trump aides. So said the NYT and so the result proves, or we wouldn't know what Flynn talked about with the Russian ambassador. As a matter of fact, we wouldn't know that Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador at all in the instance cited because if the law had been followed, Flynn's name would have been masked. These things are already established. I'm not a part of Trumpnation, a Trumpbot, or whatever the derogatory term of the day is. I'm simply defending the truth here. And I don't care about Devin Nunes. His reputation is his, where ever he takes it.
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The NY Times never said Obama ordered a tap on Trump's phones. Period.

You aren't defending the truth. You are making up something that Trump never said. And you know it.
 
tres borrachos said:
What does any of that have to do with Trump's claim that Obama ordered a tap(p) on HIS phones? And he's a "bad/sick guy"? And a good lawyer could make a case out of it?
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Nothing, why do you ask?
 
tres borrachos said:
Then why did you post it to me? I didn't post anything about the Russian ambassador and all of that, and it hasn't got anything to do with Trump accusing Obama of a crime.
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I know it doesn't. I'm a curious fellow and I've been wondering what conclusions people have drawn about matters related to pre/post election political/intel activities and what influenced them.
 
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