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hillary: 2020 !

GOP trump/Bannon disinformation thread intended to divide Democratic leaning voters.

Good to see posters keeping their eyes on the 2018 prize .

It would almost be entertaining for her to run, just to watch Trump supporters argue that we couldn't let her be President since she had been under FBI investigation. Then I remember that they'd be dead serious, and that every right-wing news outlet would be repeating that narrative without a semblance of irony. I don't think I could live through that.
 
She might run again for Congress, but (thankfully) I don't see her ever running again for POTUS.

Obama is certainly young enough to run for the House and eventually become the Speaker in a decade or so .
 
He bragged about committing sexual assault and he stole a quarter billion dollars from regular Americans. And they voted for him. Yes, they'd vote for him again. They voted for him to break the country and they're getting what they want.

No, he bragged about what groupies let him do (Like any alpha male celebrity could do ). Prior to going into politics there was never the slightest hint that he was accused of sexual misconduct.

While Bill Clinton had at least 20 women accuse him of rape or violent sexual assault, with the first known case back in college.

Specify the 1/4 billion dollars?
 
who else would like to see hillary run, just one more time, in 2020 ? she would be a shoe-in !!! thanks

It would almost be poetic to see a re-hash of Bernie vs. Hillary in 2020, and then Bernie vs. Trump in 2020. In other words, there's a part of me that would like to see 2016 repeated, but how it should have actually gone.

Also, don't be fooled. There's definitely pressure to have Hillary run again. Her donors want to see that return on investment, and the establishment doesn't learn. Hillary, personally, however, will probably be unwilling to do it again. She had her first primary shot and she lost to Obama, she had her second primary shot and she cheated to make it past the finish line, and then lost to the most unpopular candidate to run for office in American history. I don't think her ego can take another loss.
 
Dead people, illegal aliens and Democrat operatives filling out ballots are a majority of her voting base.



Well if your State Governors is that stupid that the people they hire can't tell the difference between Dead people, illegal aliens and Democrat operatives filling out ballots ... that's your problem. :lamo
 
No, he bragged about what groupies let him do (Like any alpha male celebrity could do ). Prior to going into politics there was never the slightest hint that he was accused of sexual misconduct.

Yes, I always take the word of a sexual offender when he tells me that a woman "let him" sexually assault her. I'm also always sure to ask a man who beats his wife if the woman "had it coming." If he says that she did, then I know that everything is fine.

While Bill Clinton had at least 20 women accuse him of rape or violent sexual assault, with the first known case back in college.

Specify the 1/4 billion dollars?

Trump conned at least 6000 people (the number of people represented in the class action lawsuit) to the tune of $35,000 each for a total of 210 million dollars for his Trump University scam. He sold the university on the premise that they would learn his real estate secrets from his personally hand-picked instructors. He had no relationship with the instructors and the customers lost tens of thousands of dollars each for nothing. In fact, even when they did receive real information, they could expect to learn to commit illegal behavior. However, Trump University wasn't finished with them quite yet. There is the 98% approval rating Trump famously touted. What he did not elaborate on was that the customers were made to write non-anonymous reviews before they were allowed to received their worthless degrees (T.U. was not an accredited university) or receive extra help from instructors, which is basically the equivalent of being told at a restaurant that you won't receive your car keys back from the valet until you write a Yelp review while the manager is watching you write it. Only, the latter is nowhere near as bad, because if you did decide to write a terrible Yelp reviewer after the fact at least you'd have your car back. If the students announced after the fact that the University was a scam then they'd be broadcasting that the fake degree they just paid $35,000 for was worthless.

Trump University: It?s Worse Than You Think - The New Yorker

Trump University Students Say They Were Pressured to Give Good Reviews | Fortune.com

Trump University Script Tells Students to Inflate Income - ABC News
 
Hillary better not run again, she already lost to Trump once, that's enough, time to put up someone else.

Also, this is not breaking news.
 
It would almost be poetic to see a re-hash of Bernie vs. Hillary in 2020, and then Bernie vs. Trump in 2020. In other words, there's a part of me that would like to see 2016 repeated, but how it should have actually gone.

Also, don't be fooled. There's definitely pressure to have Hillary run again. Her donors want to see that return on investment, and the establishment doesn't learn. Hillary, personally, however, will probably be unwilling to do it again. She had her first primary shot and she lost to Obama, she had her second primary shot and she cheated to make it past the finish line, and then lost to the most unpopular candidate to run for office in American history. I don't think her ego can take another loss.

Who could you support in the Democratic Party besides Bernie Sanders?

Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard?

You know the Democrats are just going to run a carbon copy of Clinton/Kaine. Their donors don't mind Trump but they hate Bernie.


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That's why any Fox News pundit who pretends to Family Values is a giant hypocrite. I've heard personal stories in my life of people voting for him because they support Pence.. But, I can't follow their logic. The Christian Right feels threatened because of the secularity of the world nowadays. They will vote for just about anyone, if they are Pro-Life.

Yeah, voting for a Presidential candidate because you believe he'll quit and have the veep take over isn't the best example of solid planning.

I know Trump said he was going to cut government and shrink the bureacracy, his base loves that and they don't care about destroying people's careers, the environment, and poor people. The Republican party has always been for destroying the environment and ambivalence to the poor.

I mean if Trump passes legislation that kills Medicaid and then 5 million baby boomers lose their insurance in the rust belt. Then Trump turns around and tells those same people, that he "Saved Medicaid and Expanded Benefits and Quality of Care" Will they believe him? My guess is 1/3 of them will blame Obama, even if Trump signs a health care law that throws them all of insurance next month.

Yes, they will believe whatever he says. If they lose their health insurance and he tells them they have health insurance, they will believe they have health insurance.

This is why it's so important to run a charismatic Democratic candidate in 2020, and to take back the House in 2018. Relying on the awful record of Republicans isn't a sufficient tactic.
 
It would almost be poetic to see a re-hash of Bernie vs. Hillary in 2020, and then Bernie vs. Trump in 2020. In other words, there's a part of me that would like to see 2016 repeated, but how it should have actually gone.

Also, don't be fooled. There's definitely pressure to have Hillary run again. Her donors want to see that return on investment, and the establishment doesn't learn. Hillary, personally, however, will probably be unwilling to do it again. She had her first primary shot and she lost to Obama, she had her second primary shot and she cheated to make it past the finish line, and then lost to the most unpopular candidate to run for office in American history. I don't think her ego can take another loss.

With any luck they'll have robotics ironed out enough that they can install an exoskeleton on her to keep her upright; unlike the time that brace blew out and they had to toss her cadaver head first into that van.
 
Yes, I always take the word of a sexual offender when he tells me that a woman "let him" sexually assault her. I'm also always sure to ask a man who beats his wife if the woman "had it coming." If he says that she did, then I know that everything is fine.



Trump conned at least 6000 people (the number of people represented in the class action lawsuit) to the tune of $35,000 each for a total of 210 million dollars for his Trump University scam. He sold the university on the premise that they would learn his real estate secrets from his personally hand-picked instructors. He had no relationship with the instructors and the customers lost tens of thousands of dollars each for nothing. In fact, even when they did receive real information, they could expect to learn to commit illegal behavior. However, Trump University wasn't finished with them quite yet. There is the 98% approval rating Trump famously touted. What he did not elaborate on was that the customers were made to write non-anonymous reviews before they were allowed to received their worthless degrees (T.U. was not an accredited university) or receive extra help from instructors, which is basically the equivalent of being told at a restaurant that you won't receive your car keys back from the valet until you write a Yelp review while the manager is watching you write it. Only, the latter is nowhere near as bad, because if you did decide to write a terrible Yelp reviewer after the fact at least you'd have your car back. If the students announced after the fact that the University was a scam then they'd be broadcasting that the fake degree they just paid $35,000 for was worthless.

Trump University: It?s Worse Than You Think - The New Yorker

Trump University Students Say They Were Pressured to Give Good Reviews | Fortune.com

Trump University Script Tells Students to Inflate Income - ABC News

Nice try, Trump university was a real estate seminar with a 98% approval. There is no evidence the revies were coerced

6000 was the total number of students it was less than a dozen who were actively involved in the lawsuit.

Not all of the graduates were successful in real estate. The ONE who originally filed was so bad and got caught in so many lies that she had to drop out.

After Trump got involved in politics a Democrat Party Lapdog law firm took the case on and recruited new plaintiffs.

If he had not won the election he could have spent a few years fighting and easily won. But going into the White House he decided to just settle it to make it go away.

Trump is one of the most successful businessmen in US History, you don't get there by ripping people off. He on average had less lawsuits against him than most business organizations his size.
 
Nice try, Trump university was a real estate seminar with a 98% approval.

I stopped right there because your statement shows you didn't read my post. Try again.

In any case, thanks for tacitly ceding that Trump is a sexual offender.

There is no evidence the revies were coerced

6000 was the total number of students it was less than a dozen who were actively involved in the lawsuit.

Not all of the graduates were successful in real estate. The ONE who originally filed was so bad and got caught in so many lies that she had to drop out.

After Trump got involved in politics a Democrat Party Lapdog law firm took the case on and recruited new plaintiffs.

If he had not won the election he could have spent a few years fighting and easily won. But going into the White House he decided to just settle it to make it go away.

Trump is one of the most successful businessmen in US History, you don't get there by ripping people off. He on average had less lawsuits against him than most business organizations his size.
 
Please cut and paste the relevant passage and a link to the article it belongs to showing that ballot stuffing took place.

I gave you 4, you lost this one and you know it. We have been through this before, my fact will always beat your propaganda talking points.

You are trying the classic distraction distraction and delay of narrow literal definition. Like when Democrats pretend they don't understand that when Trump says "Wire Tap" he means all electronic surveillance in general.
 
I gave you 4, you lost this one and you know it. We have been through this before, my fact will always beat your propaganda talking points.

You are trying the classic distraction distraction and delay of narrow literal definition. Like when Democrats pretend they don't understand that when Trump says "Wire Tap" he means all electronic surveillance in general.

You gave me a data dump. Please cut and paste the relevant passage showing that Democrats "stuffed ballot boxes."

Also, please read ALL of post #33 and respond accordingly. Thanks.
 
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Just so we're all clear with the "FACTS" :mrgreen:

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Who could you support in the Democratic Party besides Bernie Sanders?

Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard?

You know the Democrats are just going to run a carbon copy of Clinton/Kaine. Their donors don't mind Trump but they hate Bernie.


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I don't like Gabbard's personal position on gay marriage and religion, but she's a good fighter and I'd back her. The only thing is that she's too young, I think, to go for president. Nina Turner has the same problem for me, and she hasn't even been a congresswoman at the national level. I think Turner has another 8 years or so before she'll be ready to play for a presidential race, and I think it's a similar story for Gabbard.

This is why I am really hoping on Bernie, but I'll take Warren. I won't go further Right than that, however, at least for the primary.
 
Nice try, Trump university was a real estate seminar with a 98% approval. There is no evidence the revies were coerced

6000 was the total number of students it was less than a dozen who were actively involved in the lawsuit.

Not all of the graduates were successful in real estate. The ONE who originally filed was so bad and got caught in so many lies that she had to drop out.

After Trump got involved in politics a Democrat Party Lapdog law firm took the case on and recruited new plaintiffs.

If he had not won the election he could have spent a few years fighting and easily won. But going into the White House he decided to just settle it to make it go away.

Trump is one of the most successful businessmen in US History, you don't get there by ripping people off. He on average had less lawsuits against him than most business organizations his size.

I shake my head reading the Truth According To Casca. Do you ever realize how much you rely on Right Wing sources?
 
I don't like Gabbard's personal position on gay marriage and religion, but she's a good fighter and I'd back her. The only thing is that she's too young, I think, to go for president. Nina Turner has the same problem for me, and she hasn't even been a congresswoman at the national level. I think Turner has another 8 years or so before she'll be ready to play for a presidential race, and I think it's a similar story for Gabbard.

This is why I am really hoping on Bernie, but I'll take Warren. I won't go further Right than that, however, at least for the primary.

Yeah, I'm hoping Tulsi makes a Senate run. Nina looks to perhaps run for Ohio governor. My point was there isn't anyone in the Democratic party who didn't endorse Clinton. And endorsing Clinton is an endorsement of what I want to fight. So, we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. And If we don't support whatever establishment pick the DNC churns out the Democrats are going to howl that we aren't unifying and they'll become bitter towrads us. What do you think? Are we guilty of not unifying or is it the establishment Dems who are the small % who are stamping their feet refusing to unify with us?
 
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My rule of thumb is to never nip at the cooking sherry while I'm posting. That way I have a better chance of not making dippy posts in the completely incorrect sections.

That's where I've been going wrong! Damn Sherry...


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Yeah, I'm hoping Tulsi makes a Senate run. Nina looks to perhaps run for Ohio governor.

Yeah, here's hoping. I don't know if she can win, but I'd surely help fund her campaign.

My point was there isn't anyone in the Democratic party who didn't endorse Clinton. And endorsing Clinton is an endorsement of what I want to fight. So, we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I don't care what those politicians did after Bernie dropped out; I myself agreed to vote for Hillary in August or September. I hate her, but I feared Trump more than I hated her (a decision I still think is mostly valid). I do, however, care about what they did before he dropped out. It's why I'm still furious at Warren. I'll still back her over everyone else is that party of corporate/Wall St sycophants and shills, but Bernie is #1 on my list. There's no question in my mind that Bernie is the moral leader of our times. But the DNC plutocrats aren't going down without a fight.

And If we don't support whatever establishment pick the DNC churns out the Democrats are going to howl that we aren't unifying and they'll become bitter towrads us. What do you think? Are we guilty of not unifying or is it the establishment Dems who are the small % who are stamping their feet refusing to unify with us?

I gave them their one chance, a chance they didn't deserve, with Keith Ellison. Look, after you lose 1,000 local seats, the Senate three times, the House four times (in a row), you lose more governorships so you only hold onto ~33% of them, and then you also lose 69/99 state legislatures... And you still won't work with the Left, even though it clearly has the grassroots activism, that was the breaking point for me. That was when it goes past being unreasonable or biased against the Left. The DNC is just populated with bad actors and bad human beings. The best argument you could make is that they just don't know any better, but pragmatically it makes no difference for what we have to do. There's a point where you have to internalize the fact that these people literally would rather lose to a Republican than win with a Leftist. Maybe the voters do or don't, I don't know how well the negative PR on Bernie has influenced people (apparently not too well, considering his approval ratings), but the actual party leaders are clearly absolutely certain that they'd rather watch themselves lose to Republicans than watch us win anything.


PS: Again, I don't see why we share any responsibility, even if we just look at the primary. They hated us before we hated them (We complained about Hillary's big money interests, and we got called racists, sexists, fanatics, lunatics, and children in return, and literally the whole media trolled us at the Democratic establishment's behest), so I refuse to be responsible for their failures. They had a real chance for unity, they literally pissed down on it as Trump was ascending to the presidency, so I could care less what the actual sore losers of this situation think.
 
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Yeah, here's hoping. I don't know if she can win, but I'd surely help fund her campaign.



I don't care what those politicians did after Bernie dropped out; I myself agreed to vote for Hillary in August or September. I hate her, but I feared Trump more than I hated her (a decision I still think is mostly valid). I do, however, care about what they did before he dropped out. It's why I'm still furious at Warren. I'll still back her over everyone else is that party of corporate/Wall St sycophants and shills, but Bernie is #1 on my list. There's no question in my mind that Bernie is the moral leader of our times. But the DNC plutocrats aren't going down without a fight.



I gave them their one chance, a chance they didn't deserve, with Keith Ellison. Look, after you lose 1,000 local seats, the Senate three times, the House four times (in a row), you lose more governorships so you only hold onto ~33% of them, and then you also lose 69/99 state legislatures... And you still won't work with the Left, even though it clearly has the grassroots activism, that was the breaking point for me. That was when it goes past being unreasonable or biased against the Left. The DNC is just populated with bad actors and bad human beings. The best argument you could make is that they just don't know any better, but pragmatically it makes no difference for what we have to do. There's a point where you have to internalize the fact that these people literally would rather lose to a Republican than win with a Leftist. Maybe the voters do or don't, I don't know how well the negative PR on Bernie has influenced people (apparently not too well, considering his approval ratings), but the actual party leaders are clearly absolutely certain that they'd rather watch themselves lose to Republicans than watch us win anything.


PS: Again, I don't see why we share any responsibility, even if we just look at the primary. They hated us before we hated them (We complained about Hillary's big money interests, and we got called racists, sexists, fanatics, lunatics, and children in return, and literally the whole media trolled us at the Democratic establishment's behest), so I refuse to be responsible for their failures. They had a real chance for unity, they literally pissed down on it as Trump was ascending to the presidency, so I could care less what the actual sore losers of this situation think.

Damned fine post. Though I am not a Democrat I remain a Bernie believer. I think your post is bang on. The DNC remains firmly committed to the establishment.
 
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