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Donald J Trump the most honest President..

Vox said:
Wrong again.

Nunes said that because--as yet--the wiretapping of Trump Tower is not confirmed.

He did clearly say that Obama administration operatives had listened to Trump's phone calls and their mishandling of the classified information was VERY TROUBLING to him.

That means Trump told the truth........and laws may have been broken......PENDING Trump forcing the FBI to cooperate by revealing evidence they have been withholding.

Your wiggling around on this is just obfuscation of the facts based on trivial use of semantics.

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actually, this is your attempt to troll the thread and pretend you are not insisting tRump was correct about tweets declaring Obama was behind illegal wiretaps. this post proves it:
Vox said:
I did.

Trump was correct according to what Nunes said.

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now let's see what tRump "said":
"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
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Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!
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How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy
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so, i have shown you video which tells us that nunes acknowledged the surveillance was legal and that there was no wiretap of tRump tower
which then proves tRump's tweets were false - the very statements you insist nunes proved to be true

the only wiggling to be found are your attempts to assert that tRump (and your) untruths are true
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Most of the world considers it wrong for a salesman to defraud his prospects.

If you disagree, then give me all your money and I'll provide you with eternal happiness.
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I dont agree with Trump not paying the agreed price for goods and services, on sometimes flimsy excuse, but otherwise I am fine with his business ethics.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
He acts like a salesman, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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There is when the salesman is trying to sell you goat piss while telling you it's gasoline.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
ftsa, let's assume that the above were correct and true.

The WH STILL said that the information which inspired the tweets came from the Press as opposed to classified info.

Is you argument that the reporting of the NYT et al = classified info?

If not, if classified info ≠ the Press, then the statement from the WH that the tweets were inspired by the Press were factually incorrect.

If the WH knowingly said something which was not true—that the tweets were inspired by the Press—why isn't that a lie?
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I think when he doesn't want to reveal a sensitive source he just alludes to Media sources as an easy way to deflect the question.
 
justabubba said:
actually, this is your attempt to troll the thread and pretend you are not insisting tRump was correct about tweets declaring Obama was behind illegal wiretaps. this post proves it:


now let's see what tRump "said":




so, i have shown you video which tells us that nunes acknowledged the surveillance was legal and that there was no wiretap of tRump tower
which then proves tRump's tweets were false - the very statements you insist nunes proved to be true

the only wiggling to be found are your attempts to assert that tRump (and your) untruths are true
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LOL! You are just not getting it.........

Let's REVIEW:

What Nunes said in the interview yesterday confirmed that Obama operatives did the wiretapping that resulted in Trump's calls being monitored. Classified info was revealed and used in a way that Nunes called "troubling." That means the law could have been broken by revealing that information more widely than necessary and that information could then have been misused.

There. Now think about that carefully.

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Vox said:
LOL! You are just not getting it.........

Let's REVIEW:

What Nunes said in the interview yesterday confirmed that Obama operatives did the wiretapping that resulted in Trump's calls being monitored. Classified info was revealed and used in a way that Nunes called "troubling." That means the law could have been broken by revealing that information more widely than necessary and that information could then have been misused.

There. Now think about that carefully.

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You are not getting it are you.
Nothing he said showed that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped.
That was Trumps claim, a claim you have agreed is untrue.
 
Quag said:
Nothing he said showed that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped.
That was Trumps claim, a claim you have agreed is untrue.
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Is this REALLY so hard for you to comprehend?

Let me explain it to you a different way.

In order to spy on Trump, Obama operatives wiretapped people they knew were often in contact with Trump.

With me so far?

Then......when THOSE people called or were called from Trump Towers, those Obama operatives could LISTEN TO and RECORD Trump's calls with them.

Have you processed that?

By doing this, the Obama operatives could avoid actually going into Trump Towers to physically wiretap the phones (although that too, could also still be discovered in this ongoing investigation).

Thus it has been proven that Obama operatives listened to a number of Trump phone calls by way of wiretapping and laws may have been broken when the classified information thus gleaned was released incorrectly.

Got it now?

Yes, Obama operatives DID listen to Trump phone calls at Trump Towers and it was done by way of wiretapping.

Trump's statements and tweets were correct.

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Vox said:
Is this REALLY so hard for you to comprehend?

Let me explain it to you a different way.

In order to spy on Trump, Obama operatives wiretapped people they knew were often in contact with Trump.

With me so far?

Then......when THOSE people called or were called from Trump Towers, those Obama operatives could LISTEN TO and RECORD Trump's calls with them.

Have you processed that?

By doing this, the Obama operatives could avoid actually going into Trump Towers to physically wiretap the phones (although that too, could also still be discovered in this ongoing investigation).

Thus it has been proven that Obama operatives listened to a number of Trump phone calls by way of wiretapping and laws may have been broken when the classified information thus gleaned was released incorrectly.

Got it now?

Yes, Obama operatives DID listen to Trump phone calls at Trump Towers and it was done by way of wiretapping.

Trump's statements and tweets were correct.

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You are not getting it are you.
Nothing he said showed that Obama had Trump tower wiretapped.
That was Trumps claim, a claim you have agreed is untrue.

You can try to spin all you want but FYI spinning doesn't actually get you anywhere
 
No, what you're doing is not getting you anywhere.

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Vox said:
No, what you're doing is not getting you anywhere.

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Apparently not because you are are concerned with protected dear leaders reputation than looking at the facts. Even when you have stated the facts prove dear leader was wrong.
 
tres borrachos said:
President Obama didn't order a "tap(p)" on his wires/phones in October, as Trump said. That isn't a retarded statement. It's a lie.

3000 MA residents weren't bussed into New Hampshire on Election Day to throw the election for Hillary Clinton. That isn't a retarded statement. It's a lie.
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Congratulatiions that is two you listed as actual lies, and the first is not even a lie since trump did not fabricate the accusation to decieve, he merely took something from the media and ran with it without checking to see if it was true

just to clear it up
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.


notice the definition of lie only includes intentional deception, ie if tomorrow trump said tomorrow obama raised taxes 50% under his admin and trump ran with that, unless his intention was to decieve he would not be a liar, just an idiot.
 
beerftw said:
Congratulatiions that is two you listed as actual lies, and the first is not even a lie since trump did not fabricate the accusation to decieve, he merely took something from the media and ran with it without checking to see if it was true

just to clear it up
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.


notice the definition of lie only includes intentional deception, ie if tomorrow trump said tomorrow obama raised taxes 50% under his admin and trump ran with that, unless his intention was to decieve he would not be a liar, just an idiot.
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Yes, I listed two of Trump's lies. He has told more. The man is a liar.
 
Critter7r said:
In the legal world, those two things are not very far apart.
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True, but that means we have a POTUS that can and does BS about very important things with impunity. SAD.
 
Critter7r said:
So if someone lies and says they didn't know they were lying when they lied, that means it's not a lie?
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Idk about just "saying" that they didn't know...

But there is a difference between being mistaken and lying.
Don't you agree?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Idk about just "saying" that they didn't know...

But there is a difference between being mistaken and lying.
Don't you agree?
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Yes, of course. But the degree of separation is reduced when the person is mistaken with such conviction. After being told he is mistaken. Repeatedly.

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Vox said:
I think when he doesn't want to reveal a sensitive source he just alludes to Media sources as an easy way to deflect the question.
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Lying was an easy way to deflect the question I guess.

You have agreed that it fits the literal definition of a lie.

<rhetorical questions>

Whence the hesitance to call it what it obviously is?
What do you think about your hesitance to call a spade a spade?
What would straight-talking trump think about you reluctance to talk straight?​

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<actual question>

Do you suppose other people have the same sort of reactions to politicians "deflecting" via intentional falsehoods?
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</actual question>
 
Critter7r said:
Yes, of course. But the degree of separation is reduced when the person is mistaken with such conviction. After being told he is mistaken. Repeatedly.

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We already established that if you know it's a lie, then you're lying.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
We already established that if you know it's a lie, then you're lying.
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Yes. I think his argument however, is that he still thinks he is right, after having been told he is not. Therefore, he must not be lying, he is just saying things that he says he believes. (Wink wink, nidge nudge) #alternatetruths. The problem is that he doesn't say, "hey, this is what I think even though the FBI had told me that's not the case", he just says, "here are the facts", without mentioning the contradictory facts.

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tres borrachos said:
Yes, I listed two of Trump's lies. He has told more. The man is a liar.
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*bow our heads*
you know in your heart that Obama and hillary created isis
and that mexico will pay for the wall
you must become a true believer and then you will be able to recognize that everything that tRump says and tweets is absolutely the truth
no matter what anyone else offers as evidence
amen
 
Critter7r said:
Yes. I think his argument however, is that he still thinks he is right, after having been told he is not. Therefore, he must not be lying, he is just saying things that he says he believes. (Wink wink, nidge nudge) #alternatetruths. The problem is that he doesn't say, "hey, this is what I think even though the FBI had told me that's not the case", he just says, "here are the facts", without mentioning the contradictory facts.

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That is the crux of the biscuit, ain't it?

This issue was thoroughly dissected in re the Bush Admin and their numerous inaccurate statements.
Many people felt that because it couldn't be conclusively demonstrated the Admin knew the facts were actually facts, the Admin were not lying when they made the long series of mis-statements in an effort to sway public opinion.

Just because someone has the duty to know and the opportunity to know, is it reasonable to expect them to know?

Do you expect Trump to faithfully execute the duties of PotUS?
 
Funny, now there are videos of him saying "I never said repeal and replace ... I never said repeal and replace, uh, within, uh 64 daaaaayyyyysss ... we have lots of time", followed by 8 or 9 videos of him saying, "We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare".

It's funny how the left focuses on the part of, "I never said repeal and replace..", when clearly he did, and the right focuses on the fact that he's not lying, because he really didn't give a specific number of days during his campaign promises.
 
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