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Donald J Trump the most honest President..

tres borrachos said:
And it doesn't say that Obama ordered a tap(p) on Obama's phones/wires.
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But we know three things as fact:

1. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped

2. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI

3. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI during the Obama administration
 
TheGoverness said:
That occurred in 2011 and ended in 2013. That didn't happen during Trump's presidential campaign, which is what Donald Trump said happened. Nor was Trump the target of the wiretap.
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But we know three things as fact:

1. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped

2. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI

3. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI during the Obama administration

And, I would like to add:

How do they know that Trump was not involved in the operation they were investigating?
 
Moderate Right said:
But we know three things as fact:

1. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped

2. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI

3. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI during the Obama administration
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And the one fact we don't know is that Obama ordered a tap(p) on Donald Trump's phones/wires.
 
Moderate Right said:
But we know three things as fact:

1. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped

2. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI

3. Trump tower was indeed wiretapped by the FBI during the Obama administration

And, I would like to add:

How do they know that Trump was not involved in the operation they were investigating?
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You aren't listening. Trump said Obama ordered the wiretap, and that it occurred during his presidential campaign.

It hasn't been shown that Obama ordered a wiretap (no President can), and this 2011 FBI wiretap did not occur during the 2016 presidental campaign in October, which is when Trump said it happened, in order to undermine the election process.

Therefore, Trump's claim is still unsubstantiated.
 
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TheGoverness said:
That occurred in 2011 and ended in 2013. That didn't happen during Trump's presidential campaign, which is what Donald Trump said happened. Nor was Trump the target of the wiretap.
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Alternate facts!

Not to mention the fact that this "breaking news" also never said that the tap(p) on the Russian mafia in Trump Tower was ordered by President Obama. Not to also mention that Trump said the Obama ordered tap(P) happened in October, and those tap(p)s in the article happened 3 years before October of 2016.

The desperate attempts to somehow find truth in Trump's Tweets/lies are getting more disturbing every day.
 
TheGoverness said:
You aren't listening. Trump said Obama ordered the wiretap, and that it occurred during his presidential campaign.

Obama did not order a wiretap (no President can), and this did not occur during the 2016 presidental campaign. Therefore, Trump's claim is still unsubstantiated.
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Trump Tweet: I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

October, just prior to the Election, does not equal October of 2011 or October of 2012 or October of 2013.

Trump Tweet: Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Just before the victory? Does he mean Obama's victory in November of 2012?
 
tres borrachos said:
Just curious, who exactly forced Trump to lie via Twitter about Barack Obama ordering a tap(p) on his phones?
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Why call that a lie?

Obama probably did order a wiretap on his phone.

Who's going to rat on him? The people who did the illegal wiretap? They'd be putting themselves in prison.

I can get a little naive at times.......I'm glad to see it can be worse.

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tres borrachos said:
Trump Tweet: I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

October, just prior to the Election, does not equal October of 2011 or October of 2012 or October of 2013.

Trump Tweet: Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

Just before the victory? Does he mean Obama's victory in November of 2012?
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Tres, Trump was speaking "Americanese" in those tweets. Since we aren't Trump supporters, we can't decipher what Donald truly meant.
 
Diving Mullah said:
I do find it very refreshing to have Donald J trump as our President. There is certain serenity when it comes to his speech and what he believes. With Other politicians (left or right) you never know what they say is what they actually believe or just pretend to believe. So it becomes like the boy who cried wolf. A de facto Standard to assume they all lie.

But trump is different. Granted and clear that the man is utterly insane, but he truly believes what he says. He is like a man that goes to his back yard sees no elephant and therefore claims(or TWits) the elephants do not exist. He lacks critical thinking to rationalize the logic of his statement and enough language to be coherent how he articulates his thoughts, plus he has isolated himself from everything that contradicts his point view but he says what he believes.

If you go back to his speeches, he has two types of vocabulary the one he makes up in his mind, very limited words and incoherent logic, then the ones that he reads. You can tell he does not like the lies he is forces to tell because every time he starts with "Beleive me" Which is a dead give away, and translates to "What I am about to tell you is utter and total lie take is for what you like"

So in short it is very easy to decipher what goes in his mind. Granted he has subscribed to simple living doctrine (as least in his mind, vast empty spaces where rational compassion, logic and commonsense use to occupy) but never the less it is easy to read him.

Diving Mullah
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The one thing going on in Trumps mind is the maifestations his NPD has produced. His lies will get bigger and brasher as his administration is embattled, Trump will do whatever it takes to protect his ego and self image.
 
yankintx said:
The one thing going on in Trumps mind is the maifestations his NPD has produced. His lies will get bigger and brasher as his administration is embattled, Trump will do whatever it takes to protect his ego and self image.
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Whenever he's feeling down he just holds a rally and his people come in by the thousands to cheer him on in ridiculing the Media and their brainwashed Trump-haters.

Oh well.......in the words of Charles Dickens in "Tale of Two Cities,"........ "Detestation of the high is the involuntary homage of the low."

The more homage you give, the better he likes it.

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TheGoverness said:
Tres, Trump was speaking "Americanese" in those tweets. Since we aren't Trump supporters, we can't decipher what Donald truly meant.
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Conway: Judge Trump by what's in his heart, not what comes out of his mouth
 
Vox said:
Why call that a lie?

Obama probably did order a wiretap on his phone.

Who's going to rat on him? The people who did the illegal wiretap? They'd be putting themselves in prison.

I can get a little naive at times.......I'm glad to see it can be worse.

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I call it a lie because he's been asked repeatedly to prove his accusation of criminal activity on the part of his predecessor numerous times. He has not produced evidence. The Constitution requires the state to prove that the accused committed a crime. Perhaps you didn't know that.
 
tres borrachos said:
I call it a lie because he's been asked repeatedly to prove his accusation of criminal activity on the part of his predecessor numerous times. He has not produced evidence. The Constitution requires the state to prove that the accused committed a crime. Perhaps you didn't know that.
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And if you accuse Trump of telling a lie you have to prove that he told a lie.

Perhaps you didn't know that.

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Vox said:
And if you accuse Trump of telling a lie you have to prove that he told a lie.

Perhaps you didn't know that.

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I don't have to prove he told a lie. He has to prove his predecessor committed a crime. It doesn't work the way you want it to.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't have to prove he told a lie. He has to prove his predecessor committed a crime. It doesn't work the way you want it to.
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You wish.

It works exactly as I stated.

if you accuse Trump of telling a lie you have to prove that he told a lie.

You want to have your cake and eat it too........sorry, you're just wrong.

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The Liar in Chief is the most honest president?!?!?

Wow. Trumptards are drowning in their own Kool-Aid.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump is extremely intelligent but where you are right is that he believes what he believes fully. During the primary there was I think it was a South Carolina evangelical leader who was asked how he could possibly support Trump and he said (Paraphrase) "These politicians have tended to be all great liars, but I noticed that when ever Trump is talking his face registers exactly as his words do, they are always consistent, and I gotta tell you that is damned refreshing".
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LOL So Trump is a "good" liar and that is refreshing? The truth is that he has brought lying to new heights and that is not a complement. Trump/Putin has already weakened our nation and made us less safe and that was the goal from the start of their campaign. To weaken us until Putin's Russia becomes our equal.
 
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Vox said:
You wish.

It works exactly as I stated.

if you accuse Trump of telling a lie you have to prove that he told a lie.

You want to have your cake and eat it too........sorry, you're just wrong.

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I didn't accuse him of a crime, so I have to offer no burden of proof.

He accused Barack Obama of a crime. The Constitution requires that when someone accuses someone else of a crime, the burden of proof lies with the accuser. The state has to provide proof. He is the state. He has provided no proof.

There's no eating cake and having it too. You are struggling badly with understanding the difference between an anonymous poster believing that the President lied (not a crime), and the President accusing his predecessor of a crime. I suggest getting a copy of the Constitution and reading it. Message board posts about non-criminal activities aren't covered in the Constitution.
 
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