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    Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    It's definitely time to hand out some walking papers and remind the judiciary that there constitutional limits to their power.

    This week’s rulings against President Trump’s revised executive order on travel and refugees have sparked heated pushback from Republicans on Capitol Hill, who say judges have crossed the line to become adversaries of this White House — and suggested retribution could be coming.

    Even some judges seemed worried about the tenor of recent rulings, saying their colleagues appeared to be letting personal beliefs taint their legal reasoning.

    Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power - Washington Times
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    THis crap has been going on for years with lower courts purposely trying overturn previous SCOTUS rulings.
    with judges making crap up that doesn't exist or isn't in law or changing the law into something else.

    they are just now figuring this out?

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's definitely time to hand out some walking papers and remind the judiciary that there constitutional limits to their power.
    I have to agree to a point with the tenor of the article. I've read the recent rulings, and they are based on assumptions of what the "secret" meaning of the Executive Orders are according to the court so they could use that "secret" meaning to find the EO un-Constitutional based on the Establishment Clause, rather than what the law says and what the EO says and more importantly what the EO does and doesn't do.

    If a judge has, or assumes the power, to interpret for judgment what they "think" or "believe" is in the heart of a person rather than the what the actions of the person actually are, then the court is making thoughts illegal, rather than actions.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    As I understand it, the courts are dealing with a fairly new situation where the motivation for the executive order is on public record even if that motive isn't written directly into the EO itself. If Trump makes an executive order than only targets Muslim countries, and goes onto the public record quite clearly that this is a ban on Muslims, why shouldn't the judges take the totality of that information into account? I don't know if there's a precedent for this because, before Trump, most politicians haven't been so stupid as he has in telegraphing his true intentions.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    THis crap has been going on for years with lower courts purposely trying overturn previous SCOTUS rulings.
    with judges making crap up that doesn't exist or isn't in law or changing the law into something else.

    they are just now figuring this out?
    If I remember correctly the SC did that with the ACA. When it was discovered that what they wanted to be in the law was not there they just pretended as if was because it was "intended" to be in the law.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As I understand it, the courts are dealing with a fairly new situation where the motivation for the executive order is on public record even if that motive isn't written directly into the EO itself. If Trump makes an executive order than only targets Muslim countries, and goes onto the public record quite clearly that this is a ban on Muslims, why shouldn't the judges take the totality of that information into account? I don't know if there's a precedent for this because, before Trump, most politicians haven't been so stupid as he has in telegraphing his true intentions.
    If it's not in the EO itself then the courts have to recognize this and move on.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If it's not in the EO itself then the courts have to recognize this and move on.
    I doubt it's that simple. If I'm President and run on the platform that I'm going to close all Christian churches, then make an executive order that ends up closing places of worship with an image of a cross on it, you can expect a judge to call me on my crap pretty quickly regardless of whether or not the word "Christian" is written into the EO.

    It's not hard to see the problem if you just replace the target of the executive order with a demographic you belong to.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    I might just read one of these threads if I had the slightest suspicion that the person starting it actually practiced as an attorney for a while and at least had to take a class on constitutional law.




    The only reason we see people without the slightest bit of legal training/understanding/knowledge/etc complaining is because court decisions can affect them. That might be understandable on a basic instinctive level, but it isn't rational; hence the same people that start these threads do not try to start threads on their personal opinion that a popular neurosurgery technique is no good, on how Quine's "Ontological Relativity" got the essence of meaning all wrong, or on how Hawking was wrong to change his mind about complete information loss regarding matter and energy that passes an event horizon.

    In those contexts, they realize they don't know the slightest fraction of a **** about the subject, so they don't run their mouths. But a decision that conflicts with their political beliefs? Well, clearly, lawyers and judges are just stoopid poopooface elitists who need to be replaced with plumbers and lumberjacks.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's definitely time to hand out some walking papers and remind the judiciary that there constitutional limits to their power.
    So you want judges to not rule based on law, but to rule based on fear of being fired if they do not rule the politically acceptable to the majority in congress way? Do you really think that is a good idea?
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you want judges to not rule based on law, but to rule based on fear of being fired if they do not rule the politically acceptable to the majority in congress way? Do you really think that is a good idea?
    Oh, it's a brilliant idea. As long as the extreme right is always in charge.





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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's definitely time to hand out some walking papers and remind the judiciary that there constitutional limits to their power.
    Apdst: that was a very, stupid, crappy, and reactionary idea that manages to fail on its own terms. It fails on just about every other set of terms, but that's not what makes it special.

    You would not have been happy if Obama agreed with you on 1/20/09.

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