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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Since when did the constitution demand that things be Explicitly stated?
    Does Section 2, Article three give judges the power to rule based on personal feelings? If so, show me.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I doubt it's that simple. If I'm President and run on the platform that I'm going to close all Christian churches, then make an executive order that ends up closing places of worship with an image of a cross on it, you can expect a judge to call me on my crap pretty quickly regardless of whether or not the word "Christian" is written into the EO.

    It's not hard to see the problem if you just replace the target of the executive order with a demographic you belong to.
    Either the president is within his constitutional rights to do what he did? Or he is not. It is absolutely NOT the judges' responsibility, nor in their wheelhouse to decide if the EO is necessary or what the motives are that are behind it.

    Glad to read the OP. About time.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where in the constitution does it say they cannot use campaign statements?
    It specifically says laws. There's nothing about campaign rhetoric.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does Section 2, Article three give judges the power to rule based on personal feelings? If so, show me.
    The judges have not ruled on "personal feelings". I strongly suggest you read the rulings. Feelings are not the basis for them.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    I might just read one of these threads if I had the slightest suspicion that the person starting it actually practiced as an attorney for a while and at least had to take a class on constitutional law.

    The only reason we see people without the slightest bit of legal training/understanding/knowledge/etc complaining is because court decisions can affect them. That might be understandable on a basic instinctive level, but it isn't rational; hence the same people that start these threads do not try to start threads on their personal opinion that a popular neurosurgery technique is no good, on how Quine's "Ontological Relativity" got the essence of meaning all wrong, or on how Hawking was wrong to change his mind about complete information loss regarding matter and energy that passes an event horizon.

    In those contexts, they realize they don't know the slightest fraction of a **** about the subject, so they don't run their mouths. But a decision that conflicts with their political beliefs? Well, clearly, lawyers and judges are just stoopid poopooface elitists who need to be replaced with plumbers and lumberjacks.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you have not read their rulings. Hint: they do follow the law.
    Show us how they follow the law.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I doubt it's that simple. If I'm President and run on the platform that I'm going to close all Christian churches, then make an executive order that ends up closing places of worship with an image of a cross on it, you can expect a judge to call me on my crap pretty quickly regardless of whether or not the word "Christian" is written into the EO.

    It's not hard to see the problem if you just replace the target of the executive order with a demographic you belong to.
    A judges job is to read the law and determine if what is written is constitutional, not find a statement made by the president that he disagrees with and shoot down everything that comes his way.

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The judges have not ruled on "personal feelings". I strongly suggest you read the rulings. Feelings are not the basis for them.
    Of course they have. They ruled that someone's feeling may be hurt by the EO.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you want judges to not rule based on law, but to rule based on fear of being fired if they do not rule the politically acceptable to the majority in congress way? Do you really think that is a good idea?
    Yes...we want to them to rule based on the law. That's not what's happening. They are judges, not monarchs that make up their own laws.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Either the president is within his constitutional rights to do what he did? Or he is not. It is absolutely NOT the judges' responsibility, nor in their wheelhouse to decide if the EO is necessary or what the motives are that are behind it.

    Glad to read the OP. About time.
    Which of these statements do you disagree with?

    1: the people who have brought suit have standing to do so.

    2: The people who brought suit will be harmed by the EO.

    3: There is a reasonable chance they will prevail in court on the issue.
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