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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you want judges to not rule based on law, but to rule based on fear of being fired if they do not rule the politically acceptable to the majority in congress way? Do you really think that is a good idea?
    I want judges to decide cases (not rule) according to The Constitution, period. The two judges in the immigration case made decisions based on their personal politics. Neither of them used the law, nor The Constitution to come to their decision.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by cardinal View Post
    as i understand it, the courts are dealing with a fairly new situation where the motivation for the executive order is on public record even if that motive isn't written directly into the eo itself. If trump makes an executive order than only targets muslim countries, and goes onto the public record quite clearly that this is a ban on muslims, why shouldn't the judges take the totality of that information into account? I don't know if there's a precedent for this because, before trump, most politicians haven't been so stupid as he has in telegraphing his true intentions.
    eo/ statute has to be ruled on based on its text and nothing else, it canot be ruled on by what is the intent

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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Master PO View Post
    eo/ statute has to be ruled on based on its text and nothing else, it canot be ruled on by what is the intent
    Does the constitution say that?
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I doubt it's that simple. If I'm President and run on the platform that I'm going to close all Christian churches, then make an executive order that ends up closing places of worship with an image of a cross on it, you can expect a judge to call me on my crap pretty quickly regardless of whether or not the word "Christian" is written into the EO.

    It's not hard to see the problem if you just replace the target of the executive order with a demographic you belong to.
    The judges can't use campaign rhetoric. They're making decision on the executive order, not on President Trump's personal politics.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Does the constitution say that?
    It doesn't give them power to do otherwise, so yes.

    The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

    In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I want judges to decide cases (not rule) according to The Constitution, period. The two judges in the immigration case made decisions based on their personal politics. Neither of them used the law, nor The Constitution to come to their decision.
    So you have not read their rulings. Hint: they do follow the law.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't give them power to do otherwise, so yes.
    Since when did the constitution demand that things be Explicitly stated?
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Oh, it's a brilliant idea. As long as the extreme right is always in charge.





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    Apdst: that was a very, stupid, crappy, and reactionary idea that manages to fail on its own terms. It fails on just about every other set of terms, but that's not what makes it special.

    You would not have been happy if Obama agreed with you on 1/20/09.
    You're only saying that because you agree with the ruling. One day, you're not going like it when judges make decisions like that.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    As I understand it, the courts are dealing with a fairly new situation where the motivation for the executive order is on public record even if that motive isn't written directly into the EO itself. If Trump makes an executive order than only targets Muslim countries, and goes onto the public record quite clearly that this is a ban on Muslims, why shouldn't the judges take the totality of that information into account? I don't know if there's a precedent for this because, before Trump, most politicians haven't been so stupid as he has in telegraphing his true intentions.
    As soon as you can drum up some other countries that are overrun with terrorists that have exported that terrorism around the world you can let me know.
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    Re: Lawmakers warn judges ruling on travel bans against exceeding power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The judges can't use campaign rhetoric. They're making decision on the executive order, not on President Trump's personal politics.
    Where in the constitution does it say they cannot use campaign statements?
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