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The clown party says the have a better idea for healthcare.

jbander said:
If you supported the hate candidate and put this mental case next to the little red button that once pushed destroys mankind , then no , there is no way you can be a patriot. if anything your the enemy of this country and also president nut case is in no way my president. He belongs to the people that fell for this mans hatred of almost everything. That's who they are. You want to live in a make believe world that's fine, but you are of no help to this country then.
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The real world has Trump as president, not your make believe world. So, you are saying to hell with half the voters who voted? That'll go over good next election, writing off half of all voters right off the bat.
 
jbander said:
First I really don't care, what I write satisfies me and I know dam well if that all you have then I'm on the right side of the points I'm making to you. When your titled yourself very conservative which of course means very hateful ,then anything I can get over you is always a win. I'll try to be helpful and give you some advice , go someplace else.
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So conservative just means hateful to you?
 
jbander said:
In no way is Obama care collapsing, even though the the right tried to get rid of it from day one because of that Uppity black man that didn't know his place and the fact that the people who tell them how and what to think are paying for it. People making over $250,000.00 a household. Making it almost impossible for insurance companies to figure out how to deal with Obama care , even then the insurance companies are talking about how they have a handle on Obama care now and know how to deal with it. As usually your propaganda machine is bull**** but I will admit that the level of your parties propaganda is in the same realm as the communist have used through the decade. The new right,nothing but a propaganda machine selling lies. Small Hands care is better then Obama care. What a fricken joke. The clown act rolls on.
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Collapsing is when there is only one insurance company offering plans in many markets.
 
jbander said:
This is a prime example of the blind puppet right. Aetna tried to bribe the court into letting it Join with Humana . Their reason was a complete lie and the judge told them so, it was just bull**** with no truth behind it and when turned down they went after Obama care. You are way behind the facts my friend but that's what I expect from the blind puppet right. This can be confirmed easily.
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You are blind to the fact that in many markets there is only one company left offering plans. In fact, the merger might have actually happened if there weren't so few companies offering Obamacare insurance.
 
jbander said:
If you don't contribute other then your non stop hate routine and attacks, then you will be gone. It is up to you.
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You don't answer the questions. All you offer is liberal babble. Maybe you should just put everyone on ignore who does not agree with you.
 
mike2810 said:
I remember this case. You just showed that jbander likes to go to the extreme in his posting. It was his post that brought up the "bribe".

That said, it is troublesome that in AZ people have little to choose from if they use the ACA exchanges. BCBS is about the only game in town for the State. Many counties only have one option to choose from. Not much competition.
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That's because Obamacare is so much of a success. LOL.
 
Greenbeard said:
They didn't bribe the court, they withdrew from profitable markets in an attempt to strengthen their hand in the antitrust case around their attempted (now defunct) merger with Humana.

Aetna jeopardized its antitrust case and the ACA by exiting some exchanges





The "death spiral" BS is continued sour grapes on their part.
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Look at this guys comment "They didn't bribe the court, they withdrew from profitable markets in an attempt to strengthen their hand in the antitrust case around their attempted (now defunct) merger with Humana." Let me see what could we call this, I'd say off hand they tried to bribe the court. They lied through their teeth to the court about not being profitable being the reason they dropped Obama care and that was apparent to the judge and he called them liars in court.You can't make this crap up. https://www.google.com/search?safe=...CgOPSAhVKzmMKHWLHBZwQ1QIITygA&biw=960&bih=855 https://www.law360.com/articles/884962/aetna-merger-suit-defeat-caused-1-7b-loss-shareholders , pick your favorite.
 
"Six major health insurers that sell plans directly to consumers are bowing out or scaling back on the Affordable Care Act marketplace in Arizona.
Only two marketplace insurers will remain in Arizona’s largest county, Maricopa County, and the exodus has left Pinal County without a single insurer willing to offer a marketplace option next year to the nearly 10,000 people now enrolled."

Arizona consumers fret as 'Obamacare' insurance options dwindle

In 2015 AZ had 11 providers , in 2017 there are now 2.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/arizona-state-health-insurance-exchange/


As one can see in AZ the choice is limited and rates are going bonkers. Makes you just want to love the ACA.
I am so thankful I do not have to participate in the ACA. Maybe the US should look at improving the ACA or come up with a different approach.
 
mike2810 said:
"Six major health insurers that sell plans directly to consumers are bowing out or scaling back on the Affordable Care Act marketplace in Arizona.
Only two marketplace insurers will remain in Arizona’s largest county, Maricopa County, and the exodus has left Pinal County without a single insurer willing to offer a marketplace option next year to the nearly 10,000 people now enrolled."

Arizona consumers fret as 'Obamacare' insurance options dwindle

In 2015 AZ had 11 providers , in 2017 there are now 2.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/arizona-state-health-insurance-exchange/


As one can see in AZ the choice is limited and rates are going bonkers. Makes you just want to love the ACA.
I am so thankful I do not have to participate in the ACA. Maybe the US should look at improving the ACA or come up with a different approach.
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you can't expect the insurance companies to not try to get out of it. The rights non stop attempt to dump it with their daily lies about it would make any insurer not willing to stay involved in the program and now with the right dumping it and replacing it with nothing that will help the 21 million that are in Obama care now. Every company wants out. This money will be given back to the wealthy , people who are paying for it now, with incomes of $250,000.00 a household. Everything they will cut will be given to the wealthy, that is the only reason this group exists.
 
mike2810 said:
That said, it is troublesome that in AZ people have little to choose from if they use the ACA exchanges. BCBS is about the only game in town for the State. Many counties only have one option to choose from. Not much competition.
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What would you like to do about that?
 
BillRM said:
Yes that joke had gotten 20 millions more people insurance then before the program came into effect.
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For a short while. We should just leave Obamacare alone and let it implode. How many will lose coverage after that happens?
 
fmw said:
For a short while. We should just leave Obamacare alone and let it implode. How many will lose coverage after that happens?
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Given that the "implosion" is largely imagined, if we do nothing people are not going to lose coverage.
 
jbander said:
you can't expect the insurance companies to not try to get out of it. The rights non stop attempt to dump it with their daily lies about it would make any insurer not willing to stay involved in the program and now with the right dumping it and replacing it with nothing that will help the 21 million that are in Obama care now. Every company wants out. This money will be given back to the wealthy , people who are paying for it now, with incomes of $250,000.00 a household. Everything they will cut will be given to the wealthy, that is the only reason this group exists.
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Do you have anything to back up what you just stated?

They haven't tried, They left Arizona. All but two.

Here is a better twist the left who wrote the ACA didn't coordinate with anyone. (Pelosi, " we have to pass it to see what is in it"/ paraphrased). The left new it would drain the insurance companies and more federal tax dollars would be needed. Therefore making more people reliant on the govt. (no source, just my opinion and it is as good as yours.

Interesting how you dodge back to the new plan and fail to address the failings of the ACA for Arizona. I bet you would like to see a single govt run plan for healthcare and no private sector insurance.
 
Greenbeard said:
What would you like to do about that?
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Not mine to solve.:mrgreen: Since you asked, maybe Congress should address the lack of competition between insurance companies within States. It was Congress that wrote the ACA.
 
Greenbeard said:
Given that the "implosion" is largely imagined, if we do nothing people are not going to lose coverage.
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Without more govt support, some will not be able to pay for rate hikes under the ACA. They may drop out and take the risk the feds won't hit them to hard. Hard to get someone to pony up more money when they have none. If the govt. covers the added expenses that just means those that pay taxes will have an increased burden.
 
mike2810 said:
Not mine to solve.:mrgreen: Since you asked, maybe Congress should address the lack of competition between insurance companies within States. It was Congress that wrote the ACA.
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In a state that cares about their population , they exclude companies that have bad reputations, underfunded or just dirt ball companies, and these are the company's that the right wants to add to the mix. So the bull**** line that competition will solve all the problems is just another bull**** line that only passes the scrutiny of idiots.
 
mike2810 said:
Without more govt support, some will not be able to pay for rate hikes under the ACA. They may drop out and take the risk the feds won't hit them to hard. Hard to get someone to pony up more money when they have none. If the govt. covers the added expenses that just means those that pay taxes will have an increased burden.
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Obama paid for this upfront , something the right has no clue about. Its paid for by taxes on people who make over $250,000.00 a household annually and I will point out that it is just the amount over that sum that is taxed higher. That's why the right hates it, it is paid for by people that make over $250,000.00 a household who you would be stupid to worry about. I have no sympathy for these people, they get fat with shortcuts that the hate party gives them , so if we build the infrastructure that allows them this type of wealth, then pay up or get off the golden highway.
 
mike2810 said:
Do you have anything to back up what you just stated?

They haven't tried, They left Arizona. All but two.

Here is a better twist the left who wrote the ACA didn't coordinate with anyone. (Pelosi, " we have to pass it to see what is in it"/ paraphrased). The left new it would drain the insurance companies and more federal tax dollars would be needed. Therefore making more people reliant on the govt. (no source, just my opinion and it is as good as yours.

Interesting how you dodge back to the new plan and fail to address the failings of the ACA for Arizona. I bet you would like to see a single govt run plan for healthcare and no private sector insurance.
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Then that again is telling you how little you know about Obama care ,there are many point in it that are added by the right. ACA isn't failing and if the hate party hadn't tried to destroy it from day one it wouldn't even be up in the air as far as it's future is concerned. This is a program that every democrat from day one knew had to be adjusted, just like all large bills like it. You haven't got a clue and your support for the hate party is constant. Lets top off you hate party propaganda "The Congressional Budget Office reported in several studies that the ACA would reduce the budget deficit, and that repealing it would increase the deficit." The reason the hate party went after it is so simple, The people that control their party pays for it , People making over $250,000.00 a household and they just didn't like that uppity black man that didn't know his place. Those are the only two reason why the propaganda was turned up to the level of communist country by the hate party.
 
jbander said:
In a state that cares about their population , they exclude companies that have bad reputations, underfunded or just dirt ball companies, and these are the company's that the right wants to add to the mix. So the bull**** line that competition will solve all the problems is just another bull**** line that only passes the scrutiny of idiots.
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or the left wants to add to the mix. :mrgreen:

So your all for more govt. subsidies ?
 
jbander said:
Obama paid for this upfront , something the right has no clue about. Its paid for by taxes on people who make over $250,000.00 a household annually and I will point out that it is just the amount over that sum that is taxed higher. That's why the right hates it, it is paid for by people that make over $250,000.00 a household who you would be stupid to worry about. I have no sympathy for these people, they get fat with shortcuts that the hate party gives them , so if we build the infrastructure that allows them this type of wealth, then pay up or get off the golden highway.
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Then please explain why a friend of mine has to pony up almost double the premium she pays for her health care? She makes under 28K/year.

Your lies are showing.
 
jbander said:
Then that again is telling you how little you know about Obama care ,there are many point in it that are added by the right. ACA isn't failing and if the hate party hadn't tried to destroy it from day one it wouldn't even be up in the air as far as it's future is concerned. This is a program that every democrat from day one knew had to be adjusted, just like all large bills like it. You haven't got a clue and your support for the hate party is constant. Lets top off you hate party propaganda "The Congressional Budget Office reported in several studies that the ACA would reduce the budget deficit, and that repealing it would increase the deficit." The reason the hate party went after it is so simple, The people that control their party pays for it , People making over $250,000.00 a household and they just didn't like that uppity black man that didn't know his place. Those are the only two reason why the propaganda was turned up to the level of communist country by the hate party.
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You are dodging the problem. AZ saw premium rates that increased by 50 to 120%. The lower income people are not getting tax deduction to cover all of the increase. Nor are people making over $250K covering the premium. People I know in the lower income are paying the additional amount.

Funny how your dislike for the "right" has you continue to use racial slurs about President Obama. It would seem you are the one full of hate.
 
Greenbeard said:
Given that the "implosion" is largely imagined, if we do nothing people are not going to lose coverage.
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OK, then let's leave obamacare in place. But let's not fuss with it.
 
BillRM said:
Yes that joke had gotten 20 millions more people insurance then before the program came into effect.
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1. The Government forcing someone to buy a product is not a good thing.
2. The Government forcing others to pay for a product provided to another which they should be paying for themselves, is not a good thing.
 
jbander said:
Nonsense.
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Then please address the issues I noted in post 71. The increase under the ACA health plan premiums are being paid by the low income individual. Not by the $250k person, and govt. is not covering the rate increase.
 
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