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The clown party says the have a better idea for healthcare.

can't take the heat, a lot of people can't but I have nothing good to say about your insane president, your simple minded party and the people who support that mindless party who's goal is to destroy every value that this country has. So since I'm a patriot what would you want from me.

Yes, Trump is President of the United States. So he is every Americans president. Just like Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. were our President.

What do I want from you? For starters, a civil meaningful discussion, stop your assumption of posters political lean you cannot back up. Bet it never occurs to you that citizens can be "patriots" also and not share your political view.
 
I love this , you white washing the fact that these 20 million that will lose their insurance will now be on our tax dollar for the needed health care as they where before Obama care. . The mindless right with their best laid plans. What a disaster. As long as that number isn't in your fact list that your trying to sell this garbage with, then your Q&A your sending people to is nonsense. Propaganda , that the right can pull you around by your ring in your nose.

Can you prove the 20 million that have health care today are not on our tax dollars?

You did nothing to show the posted sources were wrong. Thanks for your opinion. It is worth about as much time as it took to type this reply.:lamo
Does this outline your views on health care?

The Political Divide In Health Care: A Liberal Perspective
 
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Me not one dime ,just a bunch of people that make over $250,000.00who you would be stupid to worry about. I have no sympathy for these people, they get fat with shortcuts that your party gives them because they control you , so if we build the infrastructure that allows them this type of wealth, then pay up or get off the golden highway.

Jealousy, jealousy, jealousy. It's not Republican's faults that your life is so pathetic that you feel they need to give you some of what they've got.
 
can't take the heat, a lot of people can't but I have nothing good to say about your insane president, your simple minded party and the people who support that mindless party who's goal is to destroy every value that this country has. So since I'm a patriot what would you want from me.

You mean like all of the people who voted for Trump? Much of the country does not agree with you. The country is bright red as far as the eye can see.
 
I love this , you white washing the fact that these 20 million that will lose their insurance will now be on our tax dollar for the needed health care as they where before Obama care. . The mindless right with their best laid plans. What a disaster. As long as that number isn't in your fact list that your trying to sell this garbage with, then your Q&A your sending people to is nonsense. Propaganda , that the right can pull you around by your ring in your nose.

Still reeling from your horrendous defeat? I love it. Liberalism is dead. You have nothing left but fantasy.
 
You can't make this comedy act up' 14 million more people will not have health insurance the first year, moving up to 21 million a year or two after that. They say it will save billions of dollars for America, ya their Americans, people making over $250,000.00 a household would save billions, being the poor baby's that they are, that are having to pay for it now. Clown act number two, Them saying it will leave the choice in the hands of people, and that they will save billions because of new competition and the biggest joke is these decisions belong in the hands of the states not the federal government. . ya The choice of the hands of the people that don't use Obama care. but for the people on Obama care their choice is taken away ,in fact their health insurance is taken away from them. They mean the people that count will have choice and the people who count will save pennies with competition in the market place and of course the transfer of everything these clowns say from the fed to the states will not save a dime but would probably increase the tax amount needed. With every state trying to provide it separately.
Why are many states not letting in every single health insurance company that wants to set up office in their back room because these companies that the right is going to let loose on this country , will be bad businesses and poorly funded and having terrible reputations but this is what the right wants for this country. The clown act goes on and on. Them trying to sell you bull**** and trying to make people other then their puppets believe that they will do something for anyone other then the golden few. They don't have to convince their puppets because they dance to anyone 's strings that says what they want them to say, even if it is only lies. What a fricken clown act.

I hate to grammar godwin this thread, but paragraphs are your friend.
 
I hate to grammar godwin this thread, but paragraphs are your friend.

I don't know if you are right on that. Babble is still babble whether it is broken down in paragraphs or not.
 
Yes, Trump is President of the United States. So he is every Americans president. Just like Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. were our President.

What do I want from you? For starters, a civil meaningful discussion, stop your assumption of posters political lean you cannot back up. Bet it never occurs to you that citizens can be "patriots" also and not share your political view.
If you supported the hate candidate and put this mental case next to the little red button that once pushed destroys mankind , then no , there is no way you can be a patriot. if anything your the enemy of this country and also president nut case is in no way my president. He belongs to the people that fell for this mans hatred of almost everything. That's who they are. You want to live in a make believe world that's fine, but you are of no help to this country then.
 
I hate to grammar godwin this thread, but paragraphs are your friend.
I know I have them when they go after my spelling or the way I conjugate a verb.
 
I know I have them when they go after my spelling or the way I conjugate a verb.

You aint got grammar nazis, you got grammar nato and the grammar un on you as well. Try reading your own paragraphs unspaced, it strains the eyes and makes reading them a difficult task, and this is coming from someone who is terrible at using grammar.
 
Can you prove the 20 million that have health care today are not on our tax dollars?

You did nothing to show the posted sources were wrong. Thanks for your opinion. It is worth about as much time as it took to type this reply.:lamo
Does this outline your views on health care?

The Political Divide In Health Care: A Liberal Perspective
Strange question, you must be confused. Before Obama care these people had their healthcare paid for by tax dollars , billions of tax dollars. Then Obama care was created and these billions of tax dollars weren't needed for these people anymore because they had insurance. Now when you dump Obama care , all those people are back on the dole as far as their healthcare is concerned. They won't be able to buy it now any more then they did before Obama care. So You confusion is surprising. it maybe that this idea is beyond your understanding so if you need more information just ask.
 
Yes that joke had gotten 20 millions more people insurance then before the program came into effect.

And it's collapsing. It was designed to fail.
 
You aint got grammar nazis, you got grammar nato and the grammar un on you as well. Try reading your own paragraphs unspaced, it strains the eyes and makes reading them a difficult task, and this is coming from someone who is terrible at using grammar.
First I really don't care, what I write satisfies me and I know dam well if that all you have then I'm on the right side of the points I'm making to you. When your titled yourself very conservative which of course means very hateful ,then anything I can get over you is always a win. I'll try to be helpful and give you some advice , go someplace else.
 
First I really don't care, what I write satisfies me and I know dam well if that all you have then I'm on the right side of the points I'm making to you. When your titled yourself very conservative which of course means very hateful ,then anything I can get over you is always a win. I'll try to be helpful and give you some advice , go someplace else.

For one I am not as conservative as you think, I am actually slightly right of center, I change my lean periodically for giggles, for a while it was as very liberal.

Second I could not care about bad grammar, but one massive paraghraph strains the eyes and brain, simple spacing would have remedied everything, I can't even read past the first two sentences in the op because my eyes strain trying to see which line I am supposed to be reading, you can write in the worst grammar and spelling I can figure it out, but lack of spacing kills me.
 
And it's collapsing. It was designed to fail.
In no way is Obama care collapsing, even though the the right tried to get rid of it from day one because of that Uppity black man that didn't know his place and the fact that the people who tell them how and what to think are paying for it. People making over $250,000.00 a household. Making it almost impossible for insurance companies to figure out how to deal with Obama care , even then the insurance companies are talking about how they have a handle on Obama care now and know how to deal with it. As usually your propaganda machine is bull**** but I will admit that the level of your parties propaganda is in the same realm as the communist have used through the decade. The new right,nothing but a propaganda machine selling lies. Small Hands care is better then Obama care. What a fricken joke. The clown act rolls on.
 
For one I am not as conservative as you think, I am actually slightly right of center, I change my lean periodically for giggles, for a while it was as very liberal.

Second I could not care about bad grammar, but one massive paraghraph strains the eyes and brain, simple spacing would have remedied everything, I can't even read past the first two sentences in the op because my eyes strain trying to see which line I am supposed to be reading, you can write in the worst grammar and spelling I can figure it out, but lack of spacing kills me.
All Bull****, just go someplace else.
 
In no way is Obama care collapsing, even though the the right tried to get rid of it from day one because of that Uppity black man that didn't know his place and the fact that the people who tell them how and what to think are paying for it. People making over $250,000.00 a household. Making it almost impossible for insurance companies to figure out how to deal with Obama care , even then the insurance companies are talking about how they have a handle on Obama care now and know how to deal with it. As usually your propaganda machine is bull**** but I will admit that the level of your parties propaganda is in the same realm as the communist have used through the decade. The new right,nothing but a propaganda machine selling lies. Small Hands care is better then Obama care. What a fricken joke. The clown act rolls on.

It's definitely collapsing.

Aetna CEO: Obamacare markets are in a 'death spiral' - POLITICO

All the insurance companies are pulling out.
 
If you supported the hate candidate and put this mental case next to the little red button that once pushed destroys mankind , then no , there is no way you can be a patriot. if anything your the enemy of this country and also president nut case is in no way my president. He belongs to the people that fell for this mans hatred of almost everything. That's who they are. You want to live in a make believe world that's fine, but you are of no help to this country then.


You asked and I answered what I wanted from you. If you have read other threads you would know who I voted for. (Hint, it was not Trump).

So who would you have liked to see elected into the White House?
 
Strange question, you must be confused. Before Obama care these people had their healthcare paid for by tax dollars , billions of tax dollars. Then Obama care was created and these billions of tax dollars weren't needed for these people anymore because they had insurance. Now when you dump Obama care , all those people are back on the dole as far as their healthcare is concerned. They won't be able to buy it now any more then they did before Obama care. So You confusion is surprising. it maybe that this idea is beyond your understanding so if you need more information just ask.

Another rant without supporting evidence.

Thanks for not answering the questions.
 
It's definitely collapsing.

Aetna CEO: Obamacare markets are in a 'death spiral' - POLITICO

All the insurance companies are pulling out.
This is a prime example of the blind puppet right. Aetna tried to bribe the court into letting it Join with Humana . Their reason was a complete lie and the judge told them so, it was just bull**** with no truth behind it and when turned down they went after Obama care. You are way behind the facts my friend but that's what I expect from the blind puppet right. This can be confirmed easily.
 
Another rant without supporting evidence.

Thanks for not answering the questions.
If you don't contribute other then your non stop hate routine and attacks, then you will be gone. It is up to you.
 
If you don't contribute other then your non stop hate routine and attacks, then you will be gone. It is up to you.

Please provide a source that shows AETNA tried to bribe the courts. (Post 46)? Without a source, it is just your opinion.

Didn't realize you were a mod. If you want to report my posts, go ahead. That is up to you.

'Obamacare' in Arizona: 2 remaining insurers hike rates by 50-75 percent

"After months of health insurer exits from the Affordable Care Act marketplace in Arizona, state regulators have*approved plans*from two companies that will be the only*marketplace insurance providers next year.
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Arizona will sell marketplace plans in every county except Maricopa County in 2017. The Phoenix-based insurer's average rates will increase*51 percent, Arizona Department of Insurance filings show.
Maricopa County residents only option will be*Centene Corp., which said it will*sell its*"Ambetter" plans. State regulators approved a 74.5*percent increase for Centene/Ambetter*plans"

Not much to chose from in AZ.
 
Please provide a source that shows AETNA tried to bribe the courts. (Post 46)? Without a source, it is just your opinion.

They didn't bribe the court, they withdrew from profitable markets in an attempt to strengthen their hand in the antitrust case around their attempted (now defunct) merger with Humana.

Aetna jeopardized its antitrust case and the ACA by exiting some exchanges

The retreat was unexpected at the time, since Aetna just months before seemed optimistic about the future of the marketplaces. Aetna Chairman and CEO Mark Bertolini even told investment analysts in April that the insurer was on track to break even on the exchanges in 2016.
In the court opinion, Bates concluded that Aetna's decision to exit certain exchange markets was made to improve its litigation position and not because of business reasons.

Aetna first used its participation in the exchanges as leverage when dealing with the Justice Department, court documents show. In one instance, Aetna Executive Vice President Steven Kelmar told Burwell that Aetna “would likely have to revisit its plans for and presence on the public exchanges” if the merger were blocked. Kelmar also later sent Bertolini “talking points” that promised Aetna would remain committed to the ACA exchanges if the deal closed. But if the merger were blocked, the $1 billion break-up fee required of Aetna would impact the insurers' business and have tough consequences for the market.
Bates also said Aetna's leadership did not evaluate the profitability of the individual business in those counties before deciding to withdraw as it had for other markets it planned to exit, Bates wrote. In fact, Florida was projected to be profitable in 2017, but Aetna pulled out anyway.

The "death spiral" BS is continued sour grapes on their part.
 
They didn't bribe the court, they withdrew from profitable markets in an attempt to strengthen their hand in the antitrust case around their attempted (now defunct) merger with Humana.

Aetna jeopardized its antitrust case and the ACA by exiting some exchanges



The "death spiral" BS is continued sour grapes on their part.

I remember this case. You just showed that jbander likes to go to the extreme in his posting. It was his post that brought up the "bribe".

That said, it is troublesome that in AZ people have little to choose from if they use the ACA exchanges. BCBS is about the only game in town for the State. Many counties only have one option to choose from. Not much competition.
 
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