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The party of Christian values and life cuts food programs for children...

Skeptic Bob said:
Christian Republicans who say helping the poor should be an individual endeavor rather than using the arm of the government to force it, do have a point, religiously speaking.

The problem is many of those same people have no problem wanting to use the government to support other Christian values, like depriving LGBT of equal rights,

forcing the less effective but Biblically sound abstinence only education, teaching intelligent design in SCIENCE classrooms and re-instituting prayer in schools.
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The only forcing of values going on lately has been homosexuals using government to force their perverted values on Christians bakers and florists
 
DamnYankee said:
The left has had a death grip on education in this country for decades and most kids can't even find their own country on a map much less read their diplomas. Like most things the left has controlled it has been all but destroyed, including families. If something doesn't work why keep repeating the same old crap? You people act as if the world is coming to an end but sit on your lazy butts not lifting a finger to repair the family unit, which if it were intact, there would be less "disadvantaged" kids out there.
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"The left" has destroyed neither education nor families, nor can you demonstrate that it has.

To maintain that it has is the only end-of-the-world rhetoric that I'm seeing here.
 
Manc Skipper said:
How often, how poor? (or not) What metric do you use to decide, and how does it differ to the one(s) used by those who actually help the kids?
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So you're saying people perfectly capable of providing their own meals, should still be subsidized by taxpayers? How about no?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Government is force, which is why every act of government needs to be justified.

Government can best be described as a necessary evil, conservatives forget that its necessary, liberals forget that its evil.
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That is nothing more than bull**** rhetorics and a good example of why the american system of governance is such a pitiful failure.

People agreeing with an action doesn't make it any less forceful, this is why western governments ought to be representative.
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I seperate this bit out because it is tthe only part of what you ahve said that i agree with. Unfortunate that your government is not.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
"The left" has destroyed neither education nor families, nor can you demonstrate that it has.

To maintain that it has is the only end-of-the-world rhetoric that I'm seeing here.
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The left has been the primary influence in education and culture

Maybe is only coincidental that our education system sucks and families are falling apart

But I dont think so
 
soylentgreen said:
I love the way that word " force" gets thrown around. Apparently there is absolutely nothing your government can do that people actually agree with. You always need to be forced.
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It's the way the right can ALWAYS play their eternal victim card.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Christian Republicans who say helping the poor should be an individual endeavor rather than using the arm of the government to force it, do have a point, religiously speaking. The problem is many of those same people have no problem wanting to use the government to support other Christian values, like depriving LGBT of equal rights, forcing the less effective but Biblically sound abstinence only education, teaching intelligent design in SCIENCE classrooms and re-instituting prayer in schools.
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Absolutely. Selective Christianity. But either way they apply it, it's in a "hate their neighbor" fashion.
 
Mac77 said:
The only forcing of values going on lately has been homosexuals using government to force their perverted values on Christians bakers and florists
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More whiny victim card playing from the right.
 
JumpinJack said:
They desperately need as much money as they can get their hands on, to lessen the deficit that would result from the upcoming huge tax cuts to the wealthy (and yes...the little people will get something, too, or they wouldn't go along with it, would they? Just like when Bush sent you a little refund check to make the huge tax cuts to the very wealthy go down your throat smoothly).

So they're reaching into everything that can be considered moral, ethical, compassionate, and civilized, including after school programs that feed and educate disadvantaged children. After all, there is no study showing that Billy's grade went from C to A after being fed and educated; therefore, we need to take that money back to give it to Paul Ryan and Donald Trump. They need it more.


Budget director explains Trump's proposed cuts for after-school programs - Business Insider

My elderly parents, HUGE Trumpers, are concerned about the impending Medicare cuts the healthcare bill tried to sneak through, and will no doubt appear again (and more), as well as upcoming Social Security cuts. They believed Trump when he said he wouldn't mess with Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Can you imagine actually believing Trump? 97% of what he says is a all or most a lie and divorced from reality. (That's a statistic on fact checking sites.)
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The national debt is hovering close to the $20 trillion dollar mark and THAT, plus a bloated, overreaching, unconstitutionally authoritarian, out of control government is sucking more and more resources out of the economy and creating far more poverty and social misery than anything the proposed cuts will do.

Where is it written that an all powerful FEDERAL government is required to feed the poor in your community. Is that not YOUR job? It is high time that Christians and everybody else stopped shucking THEIR responsibility to care for the poor and helpless and personally take care of those who cannot take care of themselves. It is high time we stop having a government that is a huge reason we have so many poor children in the first place.

So let's we the people clean up our own acts, encourage the able bodied to work for their bread, demand that parents feed their children or lose them, encourage people to get married before having children as only a small fraction of poor children live in two parent families and there would be far fewer of those in a truly strong economy with more opportunity and better jobs for all.

And if the states are less burdened by expensive unfunded mandates, then they will have more money to handle their own social problems at home. And we the people are the ones who should be digging into our own pockets of plenty to take care of the truly helpless among us.

THAT is what Christians are to do. There is nothing in the Christian doctrine that says anybody should forcibly take from others to do what the Christian should do himself.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Huh. A billionaire who gets his golfing weekends subsidized by the tax payers doesn't want the Great Unwashed to have affordable healthcare, public radio, Meals on Wheels, etc...

What a surprise!

You get what you vote for, suckers.
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Just saw what you mean on CNN this morning. A woman, that voted for Trump from Macon Georgia, that receives the "Meal on Wheels" program may get it stopped if Trump has his way. The reporter asked her what she would tell him if he was here in front of her. She said "what if it was your mother"?

That's the point lady. His mother wouldn't be getting this program because she is well off and provided for, so the Donald has no empathy for her situation. You get what you voted for. :thumbs:
 
PS Christian values have NOTHING to do with using the power of the state to seize property to distribute to buy goods or services for another. Christianity != socialism / communism.


Christ encouraged people to do good works, charity, of their own free will.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Well with the illegals being kicked out the US is going to need a lot of cheap labor. What better than having 8 year olds working in the fields to earn enough money for food instead of leaching on hard working christian americans
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proof or evidence or just hyperbolic nonsense? I think I will go with the later but it doesn't surprise me.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Christian Republicans who say helping the poor should be an individual endeavor rather than using the arm of the government to force it, do have a point, religiously speaking. The problem is many of those same people have no problem wanting to use the government to support other Christian values, like depriving LGBT of equal rights, forcing the less effective but Biblically sound abstinence only education, teaching intelligent design in SCIENCE classrooms and re-instituting prayer in schools.
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The problem is liberalism has acted like a cancer slowly eating away at the moral fabric of the country to the point leftists now believe that all manner of perversion is acceptable. It isn't any great wonder why education is a failure in the US with leftists running the show year after year doing the same old, same old expecting different results.
 
Mac77 said:
Too many people think society through government owe them a comfortable living whether they earn it or not
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You just described liberalism.
 
Mac77 said:
I know
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It's one of many examples of why liberalism has lost more than 1200 seats nationwide over the last few years.
 
Jesus saves those who save themselves.

So it is written, so it will be.
 
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