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Pretty much whatever it is, things are seen differently by Blacks and Whites. Whites see this; Blacks, that. Given the history, that comes as no surprise.

So, when it comes to paying college athletes in the billion-dollar collegiate sports industries, of course, the opinions are split along racial lines. Blacks want athletes paid; Whites do not. I am not surprised.

Black Americans Support Paying College Athletes. White People? Not So Much. | The Huffington Post

A majority ― 52 percent ― of black respondents are strongly or somewhat in favor of paying college athletes, while only 15 percent strongly or somewhat oppose the idea. Among whites, however, the numbers flip: Just 27 percent support paying those athletes, while 43 percent oppose it.

Whites seem to like the idea of getting free labor from Blacks. Blacks are like, "Hell no! Been there done that."
 
My Grandfather told me long ago ... don't be so quick to judge a Man before you've know him.
 
Pretty much whatever it is, things are seen differently by Blacks and Whites. Whites see this; Blacks, that. Given the history, that comes as no surprise.

So, when it comes to paying college athletes in the billion-dollar collegiate sports industries, of course, the opinions are split along racial lines. Blacks want athletes paid; Whites do not. I am not surprised.

Black Americans Support Paying College Athletes. White People? Not So Much. | The Huffington Post



Whites seem to like the idea of getting free labor from Blacks. Blacks are like, "Hell no! Been there done that."

How about instead of all that, colleges just be places of learning and get rid of the sports programs.

I seriously doubt the White respondents want the Black athletes to be slaves/free labor.
Jesus.
 
Blacks want a voucher system... whites do not.

There is a lot for diversity of thought within the white community than black community... it's as if black skin color comes with a political ideology and if you do not have that ideology, you are not black.
 
Pretty much whatever it is, things are seen differently by Blacks and Whites. Whites see this; Blacks, that. Given the history, that comes as no surprise.

So, when it comes to paying college athletes in the billion-dollar collegiate sports industries, of course, the opinions are split along racial lines. Blacks want athletes paid; Whites do not. I am not surprised.

Black Americans Support Paying College Athletes. White People? Not So Much. | The Huffington Post

Whites seem to like the idea of getting free labor from Blacks. Blacks are like, "Hell no! Been there done that."

OK...this was kinda interesting but the part is bold is dumb. You act like blacks are the only one attending college via sports scholarships. That's simply not the case at all. One side of the argument says they are being paid as they are getting an education without bills.

That aside, this whitey thinks that they should be paid. They are there putting their bodies on the line, and not for their education. Let's just be honest about that. Everyone knows that many of the athletes would never pass their classes if they had to take and pass them honestly.

Then what happens if they get injured? Colleges make tons of money off of athletes. I honestly feel that they should just stop with the pretext and have them just be sports teams and not doing college classes at all, unless they request it, but it's not contingent. That why the college could keep their standards high and not make their degrees a joke by giving sham grades, in sham classes, to sham college students.
 
Blacks are like........"More money for a brother? Why not? I'm in."

Which is fine, I think. Every race wants better for those of that same race.

Where I draw the line is the payoff for blacks that get killed while resisting arrest.......millions sometimes, for relatives of thugs.

We need to use some rational and profound thinking about these issues and understand the underlying motivations.
 
I'll also not the it was only 52% of blacks that said they should be paid. That's barely a majority.
 
Blacks want a voucher system... whites do not.

There is a lot for diversity of thought within the white community than black community... it's as if black skin color comes with a political ideology and if you do not have that ideology, you are not black.

Really? :confused:

... and how long have you been Black? :mrgreen:
 
Pretty much whatever it is, things are seen differently by Blacks and Whites. Whites see this; Blacks, that. Given the history, that comes as no surprise.

So, when it comes to paying college athletes in the billion-dollar collegiate sports industries, of course, the opinions are split along racial lines. Blacks want athletes paid; Whites do not. I am not surprised.

Black Americans Support Paying College Athletes. White People? Not So Much. | The Huffington Post



Whites seem to like the idea of getting free labor from Blacks. Blacks are like, "Hell no! Been there done that."

1) Playing sports isn't labor.

2) What part of, "amateur", do they not understand?

3) Don't like it? Don't play college sports. It's strictly voluntary, after all.
 
How about instead of all that, colleges just be places of learning and get rid of the sports programs.

I seriously doubt the White respondents want the Black athletes to be slaves/free labor.
Jesus.

Yep. Let professional sports teams work together to form athletic clubs across the nation and let them foot the bill for player development. Kind of like how pro baseball does it...
 
Do you have to be black to see what is going on with black people?

Just curious.

No ... but I put more stock in people who do, rather than people talk ... which one is you? ;)

Are you one of those people who spend all their time telling other people what they need to do ... from a Keyboard?

Or do yo step out into the daylight and make use of your personal expertise?

Just curious.
 
No ... but I put more stock in people who do, rather than people talk ... which one is you? ;)

Are you one of those people who spend all their time telling other people what they need to do ... from a Keyboard?

Or do yo step out into the daylight and make use of your personal expertise?

Just curious.

I don't think in those terms as you might suggest.

You are just another "username" on some debate politics site who has little if any value to offer in the exchange of ideas..
 
I don't think in those terms as you might suggest.

You are just another "username" on some debate politics site who has little if any value to offer in the exchange of ideas..

Funny thing about "exchanging idea's" ... they're nothing but talk unless you actually do something.

Wouldn't you agree?
 
1) Playing sports isn't labor.

2) What part of, "amateur", do they not understand?

3) Don't like it? Don't play college sports. It's strictly voluntary, after all.

1. Is it "labor" when someone plays for the Knicks or Rams?

2. The part that generates billions of dollars and provides millions for their schools, coaches and athletic directors.

3. That much is true. It is voluntary.
 
1. Is it "labor" when someone plays for the Knicks or Rams?

2. The part that generates billions of dollars and provides millions for their schools, coaches and athletic directors.

3. That much is true. It is voluntary.

Number 3 is pretty much the long and the short of it.
 
The problem is not with the colleges but with Pro teams trying to use the college system as a farm league. The NFL forces these players to stay in college by not letting them be eligible to be drafted 3 years after high school. If a team is willing to draft them and a player feels he is ready they should be able to enter the draft and see what happens.

The NBA is starting to go the way the NFL by forcing 1 year of college before eligibility.

The issue that comes with paying college athletes is that Football (outside of a few major basketball programs) is the only program that turns a profit. That money is then used to fund the other sports. If colleges were to have to use that money to pay players then you would see a drop in other programs that would lead to less students receiving scholarships.

The other issue is female sports. For instance, Duke men's and women's basketball. You can't pay them what they are worth because you aren't allowed to pay the men more than women.

Also, smaller programs that already have a much tougher time against powerhouse schools would be at even more of a disadvantage.
 
The problem is not with the colleges but with Pro teams trying to use the college system as a farm league. The NFL forces these players to stay in college by not letting them be eligible to be drafted 3 years after high school. If a team is willing to draft them and a player feels he is ready they should be able to enter the draft and see what happens.

The NBA is starting to go the way the NFL by forcing 1 year of college before eligibility.

The issue that comes with paying college athletes is that Football (outside of a few major basketball programs) is the only program that turns a profit. That money is then used to fund the other sports. If colleges were to have to use that money to pay players then you would see a drop in other programs that would lead to less students receiving scholarships.

The other issue is female sports. For instance, Duke men's and women's basketball. You can't pay them what they are worth because you aren't allowed to pay the men more than women.

Also, smaller programs that already have a much tougher time against powerhouse schools would be at even more of a disadvantage.

Football's mandatory three-year rule is incredibly egregious. An NFL running back is done by age 30, as is almost everyone else except kickers and some of the better quarterbacks. So basically, if you force them to go to college until age-21, even the best players have no more than a 10-year NFL career.
 
There is no requirement to compete in college sports so the free labor thing kinda dies right there. There are other avenues to pursue professional sports and frankly I would prefer that colleges spend less on intercollegiate athletics to keep the costs of education down. Would be nice to have lower college loan debt.

And professional sports in the US should receive lower or no government subsidies. Sad to see the lower and middle classes sending money to high priced athletes and owners through taxes. It should be the opposite.
 
We need to consider a few points here: While there are a ton of sports programs in college that offer scholarships, the only ones that make any money are football, basketball and in some instances, baseball. As such, the few programs that make money fund all of the other sports programs that lose money. If you add football and basketball together, I would be willing to bet that blacks make up a larger % of scholarships in the $ making sports, than do whites.

Simple solution. Pay the athletes a flat salary - per playing position - and be done with the "unpaid" hypocrisy that currently exists.
 
This is really a very complex and complicated issue. Literally it isn't 'black and white'.

Over the years for every very good pro argument I heard to pay them( I lean towards paying them) I've heard just as many really good argument to NOT pay them.

I think it sucks that these colleges make billions off of the NCAA tournament I am watching right now, yet the players get nothing. 68 teams. Hundreds of athletes, yet maybe 4-5 of all of these kids will make it to the NBA. The rest make billions for the colleges and get nothing. Yes I know they get an 'education', but the reality is with most that's not why they are there, they're there to play ball and make money for the colleges. . We all know that, including the colleges.

BUT again I can see the not paying them argument too..

I'm pretty much on the fence.
 
We need to consider a few points here: While there are a ton of sports programs in college that offer scholarships, the only ones that make any money are football, basketball and in some instances, baseball. As such, the few programs that make money fund all of the other sports programs that lose money. If you add football and basketball together, I would be willing to bet that blacks make up a larger % of scholarships in the $ making sports, than do whites.

Simple solution. Pay the athletes a flat salary - per playing position - and be done with the "unpaid" hypocrisy that currently exists.

The pay for college athletes is usually in the form of a scholarship. If (more) pay were offered then where would it come from? Should tuition be raised to cover paying folks to golf, swim or run track?
 
Football's mandatory three-year rule is incredibly egregious. An NFL running back is done by age 30, as is almost everyone else except kickers and some of the better quarterbacks. So basically, if you force them to go to college until age-21, even the best players have no more than a 10-year NFL career.

What happened to Marcus Lattimore is precisely why that rule is so bad. He would have been taken in the first round had he been able to enter the draft. Instead, he goes back to school and has a catastrophic injury that effectively ended his career. Even without the injury, the fact that he was forced to basically endure another year costs him and other athletes that would clearly be drafted millions in wages they could have earned.

The worst part about the rule is the false narrative as to why it exists. It is supposed to protect athletes to give them time to develop because the stress and physical nature of the professional leagues are too much. Yet, completely disregards someone who graduates high school early. There was a DT that was drafted at 19, he graduated high school at 16 so was eligible. So the whole argument about being too young is nonsense. Everyone pretty much understands the entire point is to make the college game a farm league.

If the NFL and NBA do away with arbitrary limits on who can enter the draft it would essentially fix the issue of paying athletes. If someone wanted to get paid and be a professional athlete they could simply enter the draft.
 
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