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It keeps getting worse, Flynn paid by Russian;s during the election!

Everyone knew ... they just ignored it.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...58d4a988474_story.html?utm_term=.4187ac9a66d1
Every time I read a headline the Trump-Russian connection gets stronger. Now we find out that Flynn got paid by the Russians during the election. I like to watch NCIS where one of Gibbs rules is there is no such thing as a coincidence.

I would assume anyone selected for duties involving other Nations would be well-advised to have experience with foreign Nations. Business, social, blood relations, etc. would all seem advantageous. It is stupid to create an adversarial relationship with a nuclear power. We are creating that relationship, not Russia. We have invaded Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam, Honduras, Guatamala, Chile, Haiti, and numerous others and Russia annexed Crimea after a 95% referendum approval. After the USA sponsored coup d'etat in Ukraine, Poroshenko is President with about 17% voter approval. The MSM doesn't give a clear picture of these events. Could that be because of CIA agents/assets in the MSM? Would that be fake news?
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Well, it looks a bit ugly, but it doesn't seem like he took Russian funds for work done while he was on the campaign.

Still... Yeah. Double Plus Ungood.
 
I would assume anyone selected for duties involving other Nations would be well-advised to have experience with foreign Nations.
It's one thing to know about other nations.

It's another to be on the payroll of the Kremlin's propaganda media outlet. But we already knew that.


It is stupid to create an adversarial relationship with a nuclear power. We are creating that relationship, not Russia.
Errrrrwha?

Putin is a thug and an authoritarian, who wants to destabilize the US in order to get his way. We should not be playing nice with him, or making it easy for him to invade his neighbors.


We have invaded Libya
No, we mostly stayed out of it


The lack of American ground troops, and Russian opposition to intervention (Syria has Russia's only base in the Middle East) is why it's dragging on so long. And since you missed it, Syria is a mess because instead of respecting democratic protest, Assad decided to kill a bunch of Syrian citizens and start a civil war.


Yeah, that was unjustified.

That doesn't justify anything Putin has done, and did not damage US-Russia relations.


Afghanistan
Uh, hello? The Taliban was not only screwing its own people, it was sheltering Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Granted, our hands are not entirely clean, since we *cough* supported the Mujahideen during the *cough* Soviet invasion and occupation, but yeah, that was largely justified.

That also doesn't justify anything Putin has done, and did not damage US-Russia relations.


Panama, Vietnam
Dipping into the archives, are we?


In 1912?


Guatamala
Nope, sorry. We did support a coup... in 1954.


Nope, didn't invade there either


In 1915. You gonna hit the 19th century soon?


Russia annexed Crimea after a 95% referendum approval. After the USA sponsored coup d'etat in Ukraine....
That's a crock of ****.

The Ukrainian election was legit; Putin almost certainly had Yushchenko poisoned for his victory; and the referendum was held after Russian invaded.

Meanwhile, we can talk about Russia brutally subjugating Chechnya, and keeping a brutal dictator (Kadryov) in place, not to mention using Chechnyian special forces soldiers for all kinds of dirty work; invading Georgia; using cyber warfare on Estonia because they moved a Soviet-era statue; cutting off the natural gas pipeline to Europe in order to screw Ukraine after legitimately electing a pro-Western government; murdering opposition members, including journalists; fabricating lawsuits against wealthy critics of Putin; oh, and deliberately sabotaging the American electoral system. And that's just off the top of my head. Do you want me to go on?

 
It's one thing to know about other nations.

It's another to be on the payroll of the Kremlin's propaganda media outlet. But we already knew that.



Errrrrwha?

Putin is a thug and an authoritarian, who wants to destabilize the US in order to get his way. We should not be playing nice with him, or making it easy for him to invade his neighbors.



No, we mostly stayed out of it



The lack of American ground troops, and Russian opposition to intervention (Syria has Russia's only base in the Middle East) is why it's dragging on so long. And since you missed it, Syria is a mess because instead of respecting democratic protest, Assad decided to kill a bunch of Syrian citizens and start a civil war.



Yeah, that was unjustified.

That doesn't justify anything Putin has done, and did not damage US-Russia relations.



Uh, hello? The Taliban was not only screwing its own people, it was sheltering Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Granted, our hands are not entirely clean, since we *cough* supported the Mujahideen during the *cough* Soviet invasion and occupation, but yeah, that was largely justified.

That also doesn't justify anything Putin has done, and did not damage US-Russia relations.



Dipping into the archives, are we?



In 1912?



Nope, sorry. We did support a coup... in 1954.



Nope, didn't invade there either



In 1915. You gonna hit the 19th century soon?



That's a crock of ****.

The Ukrainian election was legit; Putin almost certainly had Yushchenko poisoned for his victory; and the referendum was held after Russian invaded.

Meanwhile, we can talk about Russia brutally subjugating Chechnya, and keeping a brutal dictator (Kadryov) in place, not to mention using Chechnyian special forces soldiers for all kinds of dirty work; invading Georgia; using cyber warfare on Estonia because they moved a Soviet-era statue; cutting off the natural gas pipeline to Europe in order to screw Ukraine after legitimately electing a pro-Western government; murdering opposition members, including journalists; fabricating lawsuits against wealthy critics of Putin; oh, and deliberately sabotaging the American electoral system. And that's just off the top of my head. Do you want me to go on?



You've definitely been drinking the Kool-Aid. Haiti, we kidnapped and deposed Aristide. Chile, we had Allende killed and supported Pinochet. Guatamela, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama, and Nicaragua were all USA "banana republics" run by the CIA. Syria was where we funded, organized, and armed Islamic Fundamentalists after the CIA/NED/USAID funded organized protesters resulted in Assad winning the election. Afghanistan, Mullah Omar stated they would turn OBL over for trial if the USA would show evidence OBL's guilt and instead we invaded and have killed thousands. We killed millions in the Philipines. We killed millions in Vietnam. A million in Iraq. A few hundred thousand in Syria. We've created millions of refugees. We're killing in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, South Sudan, Somailia, and who knows where else, as we speak. On the other hand, we have better control of resources in the MidEast. We have those wonderful scumbags, the Saudis, helping us spread something. Oh, I know, al Qeda headchoppers in Syria and Iraq. Have a lovely day in the bubble.
 
You've definitely been drinking the Kool-Aid. Haiti, we kidnapped and deposed Aristide.
Yeah, not so much. Aristede was full of ****, and the US's real crime was saving his ass... twice.

I mean, really. We picked him up in 1991, and sent him back a few years later. He was subsequently elected to office in '96 and '01, when there was a second coup against him. The US bailed him out again, and he blamed the US again. If the US "kidnapped" him, why would they let him back into Haiti, and get elected twice?


Chile, we had Allende killed and supported Pinochet. Guatamela, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama, and Nicaragua were all USA "banana republics" run by the CIA.
Like I said:

1) Those were not invasions (except Panama)
2) Does not justify anything Putin has done


Syria was where we funded, organized, and armed Islamic Fundamentalists after the CIA/NED/USAID funded organized protesters resulted in Assad winning the election.
Nope, sorry, bull****. The protestors were not foreign funded, and had a right to protest; they were inspired by the Arab Spring. Elections in Syria were a bad joke. And yet again, that doesn't justify anything Putin has done.


Afghanistan, Mullah Omar stated they would turn OBL over for trial if the USA would show evidence OBL's guilt and instead we invaded and have killed thousands.
Talk about drinking the Kool Aid


We killed millions in the Philipines.
Yeah, I thought you'd get to the 19th century at some point

Anyway, you aren't telling me anything I don't know about -- and yet again, none of it justifies a single action by Putin. He is not some grand vizier of justice and righteousness, attempting to free the world of the Evil Americans. He is a corrupt, power-hungry, autocratic, insecure scheming thug with no respect for human rights, or sovereignty, or peace.

Flynn had absolutely no business being selected as National Security Advisor after working for RT. Finding out he got paid lots for it is really just icing on the cake.
 
From the story.

Price Floyd, the Flynn spokesman, said the general, “like many other government officials, signed up with a speakers bureau when he left government service. What you are seeing is the result of that. These are speeches* that he made after leaving government.” He said that Flynn reported the December 2015 Moscow trip to the Defense Intelligence Agency before and after it occurred.


The newly disclosed documents were released by Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (Md.), who is the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
 
What laws?

And, Clinton took money from the Russians, too. But...but...that's different. Right?

Yes, it is different. A donation was made to the Clinton Foundation - which translates into $0 for Clinton herself and no quid pro quo. As opposed to Slimebag Flynn taking money from a foreign government (Turkey) to influence foreign policy in their favor and concealing that fact while serving as a National Security Advisor.
 
Yes, it is different. A donation was made to the Clinton Foundation - which translates into $0 for Clinton herself and no quid pro quo. As opposed to Slimebag Flynn taking money from a foreign government (Turkey) to influence foreign policy in their favor and concealing that fact while serving as a National Security Advisor.

Double standard much, bro?
 
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