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The REAL Story On Current Immigration

Vox

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A nice Ugandan immigrant refrained from discussing this post on an old thread. In a post attacking my views he had named three successful white immigrants as justification for allowing the current push for our contemporary flood of immigrants of every kind. I don't understand his reluctance and pose the ideas for other, more open and ingenuous comment.

AGAIN......citing three white immigrants who found success out of the millions of immigrants (now mostly primitive people of color) is ridiculous. They don't represent the current flood of primitive people of color in any way, shape or form.

AGAIN......we WANT immigrants......but we want high quality immigrants who love America and share American values.

Citing YOURSELF and your family as (apparently) well assimilated and successful citizens (probably Christian) from Uganda as representative of the current flood of immigrants is also ridiculous.

If you came from Uganda you may not know a lot about Somalians, for example......or Sudanese, for example. Do you?

Somalis don't play well with others........not other other Africans, not other assimilated black American-born citizens, not white people and not any other racial or ethnic or religious group.......in fact, most of them only get along with other Somalians.......and not always real well, either. They are violent.

The Somalis are almost entirely Muslims.......and they don't believe that the police of the unbelievers have any authority over them.

Get that?

You realize that's a bad starting point for an immigrant? A basic problem. Most Somalis seem to have a quiet (sometimes hidden, but there nonetheless) belief that they can do anything they damned please (including raping the local white women) because they only answer to Allah and Allah is totally on their side.

The Sudanese, on the other hand, are a little different in that THEY (for the most part) are preoccupied with fighting among themselves. They have two factions from the old country and the two factions are bitter enemies and do not associate with each other in America.......both groups find ways to send support to their side in the old country and they are hostile to each other here.

Are these Africans likely to assimilate and love America and adopt American ways and American values?

That notion is ludicrous. They are dragging us down and endangering good Americans every day. They have no intention of assimilating and they simply want to make America into a new version of the dysfunctional place they left behind.

How is that for me? I'll tell you. I don't want it. Not ANY of it. They don't belong here.

One (African of unknown origin with heavy accent) showed up at our door yesterday and tried to give my wife a used bottle of air freshener as a "gift" and was aggressively trying to get into the house to talk to her. She gave it back and said no.......and if our dog hadn't been standing beside my wife I suspect this creep (who barely spoke understandable English) would have been even more aggressive.

I have Nigerian neighbors who are great people. Again......they're Christians.....is religion the major issue? I don't know......and you know what? I don't care.

I just want the dissonant, problematic, primitive, hateful scum OUT of America.

Do you think it's significant to me if you're a good guy or my Nigerian neighbors are good people? That is NOT the point.

The point is that it only takes ONE bad one to destroy my life.

And more bad ones are flooding in every day.

I include this story with a link to a local television news report about 20-30 Somali men parading through an otherwise quiet American neighborhood while setting off fireworks and screaming insults to local people (including telling a white woman they would rape her).

WATCH: Somali Muslim "Refugees" Run Amok, Threaten Rape in MN - Teri O'Brien - America's Original Conservative Warrior Princess
 
Stormfront?

No, that's a valid news story from a mainstream media television station.

Curb your silly insults.
 
I stopped reading at the use of the word primitive.
 
If you use all caps for words like "REAL", or "TRUE" or "FACT", does that make them seem more believable? Does it make it any less uniformed opinion?
 
Although your use of wording could considered a little crass.. I think it's generally agreeable.

Often times liberal/leftist politicians strongly encourage mass immigration from the third world or backwater countries where the IQ is usually below 90. Why is this? You seldom see anyone from that side saying "We need more Europeans! They have engineers and doctors and great scholars!" or they don't say "We need more East Asians because blah blah blah."

The reason simply put is because Europeans and East Asians are far less likely to vote for big government. They practically import these people then get them addicted to the teet of government aid and welfare (while also playing identity politics, which has been becoming less effective luckily) to get these people to vote left.

It is not "racist" for Europeans to want their own country, own culture, and own history. It is not "racist" for them to have dubious or even apprehensive views about people who, at least thus far, have shown MASSIVE problems in terms of being able to integrate into society without government aid or committing disproportionate amounts of crime relative to the people of the host nation.

On top of all of this -- if you are to make the argument that the people must pay for the ignorance of our politicians and through taxation, help the people of countries effected by war then fine. However, it is much more effective to resettle people in their home country in the middle east or Africa than it is to settle them over in the west. So much so that I think it's something like a 1:13 ratio!

No one here (who disagrees with you) is going to give you a reasonable or logical argument as to why we should be forced to accept migrants or foreigners from the third world. No one will give you an actual solid argument for multiculturalism. Luckily enough, it seems more people may be waking up.
 
If you use all caps for words like "REAL", or "TRUE" or "FACT", does that make them seem more believable? Does it make it any less uniformed opinion?

It's just to help the poor readers.

Like you.
 
Although your use of wording could considered a little crass.. I think it's generally agreeable.

Often times liberal/leftist politicians strongly encourage mass immigration from the third world or backwater countries where the IQ is usually below 90. Why is this? You seldom see anyone from that side saying "We need more Europeans! They have engineers and doctors and great scholars!" or they don't say "We need more East Asians because blah blah blah."

The reason simply put is because Europeans and East Asians are far less likely to vote for big government. They practically import these people then get them addicted to the teet of government aid and welfare (while also playing identity politics, which has been becoming less effective luckily) to get these people to vote left.

It is not "racist" for Europeans to want their own country, own culture, and own history. It is not "racist" for them to have dubious or even apprehensive views about people who, at least thus far, have shown MASSIVE problems in terms of being able to integrate into society without government aid or committing disproportionate amounts of crime relative to the people of the host nation.

On top of all of this -- if you are to make the argument that the people must pay for the ignorance of our politicians and through taxation, help the people of countries effected by war then fine. However, it is much more effective to resettle people in their home country in the middle east or Africa than it is to settle them over in the west. So much so that I think it's something like a 1:13 ratio!

No one here (who disagrees with you) is going to give you a reasonable or logical argument as to why we should be forced to accept migrants or foreigners from the third world. No one will give you an actual solid argument for multiculturalism. Luckily enough, it seems more people may be waking up.

Sometimes crass is the only thing that actually DOES wake people up.

:mrgreen:

We're talking about drones who have been heavily propagandized for many years.

If they were sleeping any more soundly they'd be dead.
 
It's just to help the poor readers.

Like you.

Somehow it did not make anything you said the least bit more convincing. Your laughable source did even less.
 
Did you know that there are a lot of Eastern European illegals? I did. I worked in a hotel out west that used a J-1 work VISA program. People from Romania would come to America on a 90 day J-1 VISA and love America so much they just wouldn't leave. They generally then beg people to marry them for papers. Where is Trump's outpouring of concern for the communities affected by illegal Romanian immigration? It doesn't exist cause Trump only notices people who have brown skin. He's a paranoid old codger who happened to roll sevens by running against the most hated politician in the history of American politics.

He holds double standards for Muslims that don't exist for other people. Look at the difference between these two scenarios. Let's say you walk into a gun store and a young white man is arming himself to the teeth, purchasing an AR-15 with extra rounds and a couple handguns. He's within his rights under the 2nd amendment and state law.

Let's say you walk in and see a woman in a hijab purchasing an AR-15 and two handguns with extra rounds. What's your reaction? As a liberal I still have an emotional reaction like, woah, what's she going to do with all that firepower? But, I have the same impulse for the white man. Here's the disconnect. Conservatives are massively pro 2nd amendment but only for a certain section of approved demographic. They would have a psychological meltdown if they saw a Muslim woman arming herself.

What if the Bundy's were all Black? You think that standoff would've went down the way it did?

Despite obvious conservative racial biases immigrants are actually statistically less likely to commit violent crimes and more likely to possess a four year degree.

Analysis: Undocumented Immigrants Not Linked With Higher Crime Rates

So, you tell me, are immigrants the boogeymen they've been made out to be?
 
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Sometimes I think the poor readers and the successfully propagandized can only learn from pictures.

They have been victimized by an education system that taught them zero critical thinking skills.

Anyway......for them.......pictures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDompWgDTD4
 
One really must do some research to understand the Somali concept of rape.

They are FAR, FAR different from Americans. One wonders how anyone could believe they will assimilate.

Rape and Adultery in Islam
 
Did you know that there are a lot of Eastern European illegals? I did. I worked in a hotel out west that used a J-1 work VISA program. People from Romania would come to America on a 90 day J-1 VISA and love America so much they just wouldn't leave. They generally then beg people to marry them for papers. Where is Trump's outpouring of concern for the communities affected by illegal Romanian immigration? It doesn't exist cause Trump only notices people who have brown skin. He's a paranoid old codger who happened to roll sevens by running against the most hated politician in the history of American politics.

He holds double standards for Muslims that don't exist for other people. Look at the difference between these two scenarios. Let's say you walk into a gun store and a young white man is arming himself to the teeth, purchasing an AR-15 with extra rounds and a couple handguns. He's within his rights under the 2nd amendment and state law.

Let's say you walk in and see a woman in a hijab purchasing an AR-15 and two handguns with extra rounds. What's your reaction? As a liberal I still have an emotional reaction like, woah, what's she going to do with all that firepower? But, I have the same impulse for the white man. Here's the disconnect. Conservatives are massively pro 2nd amendment but only for a certain section of approved demographic. They would have a psychological meltdown if they saw a Muslim woman arming herself.

What if the Bundy's were all Black? You think that standoff would've went down the way it did?

Despite obvious conservative racial biases immigrants are actually statistically less likely to commit violent crimes and more likely to possess a four year degree.

Analysis: Undocumented Immigrants Not Linked With Higher Crime Rates

So, you tell me, are immigrants the boogeymen they've been made out to be?

Crime Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Prison Population Statistics
CBS StatLine - Gedetineerden; geslacht, leeftijd en herkomstgroepering

Unemployment Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Welfare Benefit Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Here are statistics of the Netherlands which detail assimilation from certain countries which large immigrant populations represent from N. Africa, South America, and the Middle East. You can likely assume that the statistics from immigrants from similar parts of the world in other parts of Europe have very similar crime statistics although some European countries (such as France) do not allow collection of data based on ethnicity, but I doubt that's because they're hiding good news.

It is disingenuous to imply that all immigrants are the same. The statement "Are immigrants the boogeymen they've been made out to be?" is such a broad statement that it's almost a strawman.
 
Crime Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Prison Population Statistics
CBS StatLine - Gedetineerden; geslacht, leeftijd en herkomstgroepering

Unemployment Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Welfare Benefit Statistics
https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/_pdf/2016/47/ji2016s_web.pdf

Here are statistics of the Netherlands which detail assimilation from certain countries which large immigrant populations represent from N. Africa, South America, and the Middle East. You can likely assume that the statistics from immigrants from similar parts of the world in other parts of Europe have very similar crime statistics although some European countries (such as France) do not allow collection of data based on ethnicity, but I doubt that's because they're hiding good news.

It is disingenuous to imply that all immigrants are the same. The statement "Are immigrants the boogeymen they've been made out to be?" is such a broad statement that it's almost a strawman.

It was a question, not a statement.

Oh, this is an Islamaphobic thread. My bad, I posted info pertaining to undocumented people. I must've got carried away. I accept your strawman label.

In my opinion, it's a false equivalency to compare United States immigration to the the Netherlands refugee problem. The Netherlands offers free college, universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, and other social perks that would be affected by massive migrations. They've already taken steps to make the Netherlands less attractive to refugees. They have elections tomorrow which should be interesting to see if the Brexit/Trump trend continues.

Statistically, Trump has no basis for suspending the refugee program. They aren't dangerous, that's one of Trump's big lies he floats. Refugees are fleeing a problem that the U.S. had a large hand in creating, and we have a duty to accept them from our hand in destabilizing the Middle East.

Terrorism by Muslims makes up one-third of 1 percent of all murders in the US - Vox

Also, if Muslims were dangerous people then Dearborn, MI would be a hotbed of extremism and violence. That's not the case. Turns out Muslims have a lot more in common with us Whitey's than Trump would have you believe. Statistically, you're more likely to get killed by your refrigerator.
 
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LOL!

You said, "...us Whitey's."

And, "Refugees aren't dangerous."

LOL!

Right.....they aren't......until they are.

Your posts are so bizarre.

If they came with signs on their back so we could weed out the terrorist......wouldn't that be nice?
 
A nice Ugandan immigrant refrained from discussing this post on an old thread. In a post attacking my views he had named three successful white immigrants as justification for allowing the current push for our contemporary flood of immigrants of every kind. I don't understand his reluctance and pose the ideas for other, more open and ingenuous comment.

AGAIN......citing three white immigrants who found success out of the millions of immigrants (now mostly primitive people of color) is ridiculous. They don't represent the current flood of primitive people of color in any way, shape or form.

AGAIN......we WANT immigrants......but we want high quality immigrants who love America and share American values.

Citing YOURSELF and your family as (apparently) well assimilated and successful citizens (probably Christian) from Uganda as representative of the current flood of immigrants is also ridiculous.

If you came from Uganda you may not know a lot about Somalians, for example......or Sudanese, for example. Do you?

Somalis don't play well with others........not other other Africans, not other assimilated black American-born citizens, not white people and not any other racial or ethnic or religious group.......in fact, most of them only get along with other Somalians.......and not always real well, either. They are violent.

The Somalis are almost entirely Muslims.......and they don't believe that the police of the unbelievers have any authority over them.

Get that?

You realize that's a bad starting point for an immigrant? A basic problem. Most Somalis seem to have a quiet (sometimes hidden, but there nonetheless) belief that they can do anything they damned please (including raping the local white women) because they only answer to Allah and Allah is totally on their side.

The Sudanese, on the other hand, are a little different in that THEY (for the most part) are preoccupied with fighting among themselves. They have two factions from the old country and the two factions are bitter enemies and do not associate with each other in America.......both groups find ways to send support to their side in the old country and they are hostile to each other here.

Are these Africans likely to assimilate and love America and adopt American ways and American values?

That notion is ludicrous. They are dragging us down and endangering good Americans every day. They have no intention of assimilating and they simply want to make America into a new version of the dysfunctional place they left behind.

How is that for me? I'll tell you. I don't want it. Not ANY of it. They don't belong here.

One (African of unknown origin with heavy accent) showed up at our door yesterday and tried to give my wife a used bottle of air freshener as a "gift" and was aggressively trying to get into the house to talk to her. She gave it back and said no.......and if our dog hadn't been standing beside my wife I suspect this creep (who barely spoke understandable English) would have been even more aggressive.

I have Nigerian neighbors who are great people. Again......they're Christians.....is religion the major issue? I don't know......and you know what? I don't care.

I just want the dissonant, problematic, primitive, hateful scum OUT of America.

Do you think it's significant to me if you're a good guy or my Nigerian neighbors are good people? That is NOT the point.

The point is that it only takes ONE bad one to destroy my life.

And more bad ones are flooding in every day.

I include this story with a link to a local television news report about 20-30 Somali men parading through an otherwise quiet American neighborhood while setting off fireworks and screaming insults to local people (including telling a white woman they would rape her).

WATCH: Somali Muslim "Refugees" Run Amok, Threaten Rape in MN - Teri O'Brien - America's Original Conservative Warrior Princess

tl;dr

Conservative Warrior Princess? :lamo

You keep using this site. Someone's gotta crush.
 
Thanks for the quote.

:usflag2: :usflag2: :usflag2:
 
If you use all caps for words like "REAL", or "TRUE" or "FACT", does that make them seem more believable? Does it make it any less uniformed opinion?

Whew... thank you. The caps almost fooled me.
 
Sometimes crass is the only thing that actually DOES wake people up.

:mrgreen:

We're talking about drones who have been heavily propagandized for many years.

If they were sleeping any more soundly they'd be dead.

I'd say "VOX BE WOKE!!1!!!!" but I'm afraid the afro-centric roots of such phrasing would probably send you into a tizzy. So with that in mind...




VOX BE WOKE!!1!!!!
 
I'd say "VOX BE WOKE!!1!!!!" but I'm afraid the afro-centric roots of such phrasing would probably send you into a tizzy. So with that in mind..
VOX BE WOKE!!1!!!!

Your comments have actually been decreasing in quality, PoweRob. Hard to believe, but true.

Not tizzied, just bemused, smiling and shaking my head. I have no idea what you're talking about.

:usflag2:
 
Your comments have actually been decreasing in quality, PoweRob. Hard to believe, but true.

Not tizzied, just bemused, smiling and shaking my head. I have no idea what you're talking about.

:usflag2:

Well I'll explain it to you. You are in acting like a complete noob by screaming in a political forum for everyone to WAKE UP!11!!!!

That implies you think you are the only one awake. Therefore Vox is WOKE!!!1!!!!!1!!! as the kids say. Mostly black kids but it's trending so white kids do it a lot now too. You know how that happens a lot.
 
Well I'll explain it to you. You are in acting like a very noob by screaming in a political forum for everyone to WAKE UP!11!!!!

That implies you think you are the only one awake. Or Vox is WOKE!!!1!!!!!1!!!

I don't think everyone needs to wake up. Just you and the poor folk like you.

Plenty of us are "Woke."

:usflag2: :usflag2: :usflag2:
 
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