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U.S. Culture of Ignorance

Harry Guerrilla said:
Generally agree.
Although I don't think it's always willful ignorance.
The brain has a harden defense system, when presented with facts, that contradict what we believe.

I have a few ideas about addressing this, but they wouldn't be accepted.
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You are talking to a Zennist, learning to deal with the Ego Games is a fair part of the training.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You are talking to a Zennist, learning to deal with the Ego Games is a fair part of the training.
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Zen is very cool.

There are a few potential ideas I had.
One is fairly radical, which is no schools and eliminating most credentials (not all, most).
Allowing the cream to rise on it's own and the "natural forces" create a system.
It would probably, again devolve, into nothing but job training masquerading as "educating."

The other would be designing schools around the Socratic method of inquiry and debate.
It would require new staff and throwing away a lot of the existing materials used in schools.
Ideally I'd like to see this, but it would be rejected because your teaching people how to think, rather than what to think.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Zen is very cool.

There are a few potential ideas I had.
One is fairly radical, which is no schools and eliminating most credentials (not all, most).
Allowing the cream to rise on it's own and the "natural forces" create a system.
It would probably, again devolve, into nothing but job training masquerading as "educating."

The other would be designing schools around the Socratic method of inquiry and debate.
It would require new staff and throwing away a lot of the existing materials used in schools.
Ideally I'd like to see this, but it would be rejected because your teaching people how to think, rather than what to think.
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The nature of the school does not matter in that way when it is not education that is wanted, by any of the University Stakeholders.

People dont want to understand reality, they dont want an education, The teachers and the political operations like the feminists want to distribute their indoctrination (often Passports to UTOPIA), so they dont give a tinkers damn, and the administrators really dont give a **** so long as they have a product to sell and can vastly enrich themselves with wealth and prestige....they have no problem selling "An Awesome Experience Plus"...the Plus being a Certificate of Whatever.

Everyone is happy.

Nobody needs your school idea.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
The nature of the school does not matter in that way when it is not education that is wanted, by any of the University Stakeholders.

People dont want to understand reality, they dont want an education, The teachers and the political operations like the feminists want to distribute their indoctrination (often Passports to UTOPIA), and the administrators really dont give a **** so long as they have a product to sell and can vastly enrich themselves with wealth and prestige.

Everyone is happy.

Nobody needs your school idea.
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Pretty much agree. :lol:
 
It has always been my understanding that the American political establishment has always been Centre-Right and Libertarian in its leanings, the latter only due to the convenience it yields to their mega-corporate donors and handlers on Wall Street and abroad.
 
Northern Light said:
I realize that, but I believe there are deeper historical origins. Other countries have social media and pop culture but they are not as affected. We still grapple with civil rights and prosperity issues because ignorant people feel entitled to shift the polity away from expertise. I'm looking at deeper reasoning.
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My opinion is it is cultural. Some countries are more concerned about academics than others. America has always had a bad reputation for caring more about buying the newest (fill in the blank with just about anything). They are so consumed with consumerism to the detriment of most anything. Even getting a degree has little to do about educating oneself but more about designer degree's for trophies. The hope of getting educated has more to do with getting a job to buy more things. It's certainly not to become more enlightened.

You go to Europe and many live in small dwellings but are well traveled. Not so much here.
 
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On another note, as globalization hits, the world is being more concerned about consumerism. Welcome to our culture.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
On another note, as globalization hits, the world is being more concerned about consumerism. Welcome to our culture.
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Globalism - to me - has always been essentially a global incarnation of nationalism. Instead of one nation projecting its arrogance inward, it projects it outward. And globalism in this day and age has always been about projecting Americanism upon other nations, whether they like it or not.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Globalism - to me - has always been essentially a global incarnation of nationalism. Instead of one nation projecting its arrogance inward, it projects it outward. And globalism in this day and age has always been about projecting Americanism upon other nations, whether they like it or not.
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There is the American Brand and the Asian Brand, both have massive problems and are connected. Both are for sure going down in my opinion.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
There is the American Brand and the Asian Brand, both have massive problems and are connected. Both are for sure going down in my opinion.
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Let us hope that the scourge of globalism/neo-imperialism doesn't sully the good-willed intent of internationalism and international alliances such as the EU and UN.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Let us hope that the scourge of globalism/neo-imperialism doesn't sully the good-willed intent of internationalism and international alliances such as the EU and UN.
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Unfortunately, people lose their identity as citizens that care about community/one another and replace it with selfishness and indulgence.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Let us hope that the scourge of globalism/neo-imperialism doesn't sully the good-willed intent of internationalism and international alliances such as the EU and UN.
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I am told that we will swarm the planet like locusts because GLOBAL WARMING!, in which case we maybe go further, create a global government.

Internationalism will be fine, but a lot of things are going to be changing, and you can expect that we will be consuming less and that we will tend to not make stuff and ship it 20,000 miles, that is getting to be stupid in the whole scheme of things. Global trade is going to have to make some sense carbon footprint wise and otherwise, ways that we dont do now, which is of course why the current economic system is failing.

Our system fails to provide many of the things that it must, so it is leaving.
 
Fletch said:
I would say that the educated care about getting the uneducated to the polls to keep them in power.
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You would have thought. I believe the Democrats believed they didn't have to.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am told that we will swarm the planet like locusts because GLOBAL WARMING!, in which case we maybe go further, create a global government.

Internationalism will be fine, but a lot of things are going to be changing, and you can expect that we will be consuming less and that we will tend to not make stuff and ship it 20,000 miles, that is getting to be stupid in the whole scheme of things. Global trade is going to have to make some sense carbon footprint wise and otherwise, ways that we dont do now, which is of course why the current economic system is failing.

Our system fails to provide many of the things that it must, so it is leaving.
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Look at it this way, if the EU is associated with the pariah of nationalism in Eastern European nations such as Hungary and Romania, then we have a real crisis on our hands - because then a nationalist party will inevitably seize power in one of the major European countries (Britain, France, Germany or Italy), and join ranks with Russia. If we end up with - for example - an Italian-Russian Bloc (Italy and Russia have a 'special relationship', much like the UK and US or the UK and India) both of those nations are among the top 10 military powers and top 8 (G8) economies on the planet... if Italy and Russia led a coalition of rogue nations (among which I'm certain would be Iran, North Korea, and Vietnam) the entire world order would be upended like an opponent pissed off at the prospect that they're about to lose a game of chess. Utter catastrophe. The idea that Trump's policies are becoming popular in Western Europe should be beyond alarming.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
Look at it this way, if the EU is associated with the pariah of nationalism in Eastern European nations such as Hungary and Romania, then we have a real crisis on our hands - because then a nationalist party will inevitably seize power in one of the major European countries (Britain, France, Germany or Italy), and join ranks with Russia. If we end up with - for example - an Italian-Russian Bloc (Italy and Russia have a 'special relationship', much like the UK and US or the UK and India) both of those nations are among the top 10 military powers and top 8 (G8) economies on the planet... if Italy and Russia led a coalition of rogue nations (among which I'm certain would be Iran, North Korea, and Vietnam) the entire world order would be upended like an opponent pissed off at the prospect that they're about to lose a game of chess. Utter catastrophe. The idea that Trump's policies are becoming popular in Western Europe should be beyond alarming.
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Oh thats what you are talking about...I am talking about global economic crash, which will result in many years of depression, and what comes next...the next world order.

What you are talking about is Putin softening up Europe, and yes he will make deals but his main task is to prepare Europe to be food for China.....China runs the China/Russia Partnership, of which Iran is in the #3 spot.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Oh thats what you are talking about...I am talking about global economic crash, which will result in many years of depression, and what comes next...the next world order.

What you are talking about is Putin softening up Europe, and yes he will make deals but his main task is to prepare Europe to be food for China.....China runs the China/Russia Partnership, of which Iran is in the #3 spot.
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How would China run this... thing... when the Communist Party of China can't even maintain control of regions of China beyond directly-managed regions of the nation in question? Most of the nasty stuff is carried out by regional governments and through them - the People's Liberation Army. The PLA controls many politicians within the central gov't of China. They have their own movie. China is like a loosely-functioning nation of many sub-nations, like the U.S., but many many times more divided.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Oh thats what you are talking about...I am talking about global economic crash, which will result in many years of depression, and what comes next...the next world order.

What you are talking about is Putin softening up Europe, and yes he will make deals but his main task is to prepare Europe to be food for China.....China runs the China/Russia Partnership, of which Iran is in the #3 spot.
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Yes, we will surely have another economic disaster because our economy is no longer an industrial economy based on production. A larger part is based on finacialization without proper restraint.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, we will surely have another economic disaster because our economy is no longer an industrial economy based on production. A larger part is based on finacialization without proper restraint.
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Or maybe the valleys could not be bred out of capitalism, and the attempt to do it ruined capitalism.

I am not claiming this, just putting it out there, though we clearly dont do capitalism anymore.

We have moved far towards a Soviet Style central planning economy.

I predict it will not work any better for us than it did for them.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
How would China run this... thing... when the Communist Party of China can't even maintain control of regions of China beyond directly-managed regions of the nation in question? Most of the nasty stuff is carried out by regional governments and through them - the People's Liberation Army. The PLA controls many politicians within the central gov't of China. They have their own movie. China is like a loosely-functioning nation of many sub-nations, like the U.S., but many many times more divided.
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I am sure the people of Tibet will be happy to learn of this.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Or maybe the valleys could not be bred out of capitalism, and the attempt to do it ruined capitalism.

I am not claiming this, just putting it out there, though we clearly dont do capitalism anymore.

We have moved far towards a Soviet Style central planning economy.

I predict it will not work any better for us than it did for them.
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Soviet style central planning with a corporate/government model, which is a whole different spin then how the soviets did it.
 
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