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why Clinton lost? One of the worst campaigns ran

Chillfolks said:
No one is questioning that. Her 2.9 million came from spots she had already won. It just proves she appealed to select densely populated sections of the country but didn't appeal to the country as a whole.
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How can you say where those 2.9 million came from?
 
haymarket said:
How can you say where those 2.9 million came from?
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Just a distraction thread from a conservative republican TRYING to divide Democrats, left-leaners and Berniecrats.

With DEMs out-performing GOPs in state elections since 11/08/16, let's keep our eyes on the prize of the 2018s.

I look forward to Sen. Sanders, who by the way is up in 2018, at his West Virginia town hall next Monday.

trump voters will soon realize that they will suffer the most under trumpscare .
 
haymarket said:
How can you say where those 2.9 million came from?
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Take a few moments and search Google for maps of the election they break it down. The spots Hillary won in she generally won by a wide margin.
 
Chillfolks said:
The real answer was "we don't want either one of you suckers"
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I whole heartedly agree. In a country the size of ours, these two (one deplorable) and the other outright (disgusting) are the best that our political system could produce. Very sad indeed.
 
It definitely wasn't "the Russians" that's for sure...
 
haymarket said:
How can you say where those 2.9 million came from?
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Chillfolks is "spot on" with his/her assessment. The bulk of the Dem votes came from larger areas that significantly benefitted from the Obama administrations job creation and progress. Many other areas, like the rustbelt, simply were not as fortunate. As individuals, we will put our own self interest ahead of our friends, neighbors and even country. Politics is very much a short term, what have YOU done for Me lately endeavor.

As far as campaigns go, Clinton ran a very poor one. When voters start to feel disenchanted and taken for granted, they will respond. The fact that Trump lost the popular vote by such a large margin, tells you that this was likely the biggest "better of two evils" election in modern times.
 
joG said:
Her campaign wasn't the best I've seen even from the start. Beating that populist wasn't at all easy. It was really hard. She did okay.

But the last month and a little of the candidacy she fell down; was hardly visible; appeared to have lost it.
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I don't think her passing out from "pneumonia" and subsequent odd explanations for that incident helped matters either. I really do think she suffers from health issues, which was why she was hardly visible much of the time. Lack of press conferences didn't bolster her campaign either.
 
ludin said:
The study also backs the view that Clinton’s focus on identity politics and emphasis on condemning her opposition contributed to a campaign message devoid of substance with no clear message on policy.
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A FOX news study about the Clinton campaign?:lol: After 20 years of attacking her mercilessly?! Who do you think could possibly care, other than people who would NEVER consider voting for her, no matter what?

ALSO... Trump's focus on identity politics is constantly cited by virtually every member of the Trump Cult here on DP as the sole reason he won. His campaign was certainly devoid of substance and self-contradictory in virtually every policy position. And yet he was still able to come within three million votes of her total.
 
This is true, mate. The problem was that almost all of her adds were focused on belittling Trump, and little to nothing on her policy. Donald Trump's ads were the same thing over and over about making America great again. Hillary's videos weren't even of herself, just poorly edited clips of her opponent's speeches. Also, her failure in the debates to address her policy and his policy were also a key playing piece in her major loss. During the debates, all she did was make fun of Trump and say that his proposals were ludicrous, but then didn't offer any of her own policies or reforms to combat his. She planned on, quite literally, being another Obama administration with a few added perks.
 
In addition to this, Clinton's campaign was too based around the 2012 elections anyways. Clinton ran a terrible campaign, one that was to appease only the extremists and Democrats, and ended up secluding the average Democrat. Plus, most of her speeches were attacking Trump, just as up above I said most of her campaign ads only attacked Trump. During the election, she lost multiple key states, such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc., all of which voted blue for Obama. And by planning to continue Obama's policies, Clinton thought that virtually nothing would change within the four years of Obama's second term. And for that, she was wrong. She didn't pay attention to the growing discontent of the American populace, both liberal and conservative and didn't maneuver accordingly. She thought that she had the election in the bag, took her supporters for granted, and proceeded to mock all Trump supporters within a matter of minutes with a bunch of ludicrous terms such as racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic. She labeled them all as desperate and deplorable which didn't leave a positive lasting impression on the undecided independents. Not only could she not focus on the current, but she couldn't cover up her past, either. The Clinton's have such a pock-marked history that was too hard to overlook, including all of the scandals she's been in and the countless mysterious deaths around her. Trump, on the other hand, ran a messy campaign as well, but his had a more positive outlook that was for the American people; the American people, which he insisted included Democrats and Republicans alike. He tried to get votes from both sides and say that he would help both, whereas Hillary did not and instead focused purely on the Democrat votes and the GOP divide. All in all, regardless of what any of us might say now, it's over anyways. Hillary blew the win that she could've had if she had actually kept in touch with the present and had actually grappled with her impending campaign with truths from both sides of the political spectrum, not just that of her own leftist sway.
 
ludin said:
Study: Hillary Clinton ran one of the worst campaigns in years | Fox News

the study disputes “advertising doesn’t matter” in elections. Clinton’s failure to advertise in certain key states, they argue, was the biggest reason for her defeat by Donald Trump.

The study also backs the view that Clinton’s focus on identity politics and emphasis on condemning her opposition contributed to a campaign message devoid of substance with no clear message on policy.

Clinton, who was widely predicted to win by the mainstream media, suffered unexpected losses in states where she failed to air ads until the final week before the polls. In contrast, Trump advertised in these states (Wisconsin and Michigan) for weeks before he won.

Of course we knew this is why she was going to lose but it is now confirmed as to why she lost.
to took certain states for granted and went with the once democrat always democrat.

is what lost it for her.
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I can't disagree. She ran a terrible campaign. Both she and Trump were the two worst choices. Even worse than 2004, Bush and Kerry.
 
Chillfolks said:
Take a few moments and search Google for maps of the election they break it down. The spots Hillary won in she generally won by a wide margin.
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How can you or anyone say which votes of the 65,844,000 million were the nearly 2.9 million she won the popular vote by?
 
Vetplus40 said:
Chillfolks is "spot on" with his/her assessment. The bulk of the Dem votes came from larger areas that significantly benefitted from the Obama administrations job creation and progress. Many other areas, like the rustbelt, simply were not as fortunate. As individuals, we will put our own self interest ahead of our friends, neighbors and even country. Politics is very much a short term, what have YOU done for Me lately endeavor.

As far as campaigns go, Clinton ran a very poor one. When voters start to feel disenchanted and taken for granted, they will respond. The fact that Trump lost the popular vote by such a large margin, tells you that this was likely the biggest "better of two evils" election in modern times.
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How do you know that the nearly 2.9 million votes Clinton won the popular vote by over Trump did not come from 12 different states that she lost ?
 
RickJames3000 said:
A FOX news study about the Clinton campaign?:lol: After 20 years of attacking her mercilessly?! Who do you think could possibly care, other than people who would NEVER consider voting for her, no matter what?

ALSO... Trump's focus on identity politics is constantly cited by virtually every member of the Trump Cult here on DP as the sole reason he won. His campaign was certainly devoid of substance and self-contradictory in virtually every policy position. And yet he was still able to come within three million votes of her total.
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well it wasn't a fox news study but that would require you actually reading the link I posted.
you are talking about stuff that you don't understand because you didn't read.

you mean he won because Clinton campaign was one of the worst.
 
lurchadams said:
I can't disagree. She ran a terrible campaign. Both she and Trump were the two worst choices. Even worse than 2004, Bush and Kerry.
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yep. the only reason I voted for trump was because he wasn't Clinton.
 
We all know she lost due to Russians hacking our elections and working for Trump. Are people here saying that the Clinton team including Podesta etc were actually Russian agents working on behalf of Trump. Or is it perhaps Bernie Sanders who made her look pathetic. After all his parents came from Eastern Europe, formally controlled by Russia and there are a lot of Russian immigrants in Brooklyn where Bernie was born.

Perhaps we can connect the dots like the MSM has been doing for months with their Russia/Trump collusion angle.
 
I a Swede and I think both left wing politician in USA and EU seem to have had a hard time stopping or even mitigate the negative effect of the last couple of decades neoliberal policies. Policies that have increased the power and wealth of the economic elite while many ordinary people have gotten less security and prosperity.

That the most common solution for left wing politician have been to fight to win the middleground and stay away of any economic policies that can been seen as radical. That instead offer their own solutions and policies for the future they have instead accepted many of the neoliberal policies.

This have lead to many voters thinking that they are small differences between right and left wing economic policies. Also that they are little option to challenge the neoliberal policies. Voter can also feel that left wing politicians doesn’t care about ordinary people.
What far right populist politician like Donald Trump offer is policies and politics that are both radical and not radical. That many voters believe that far right politicians will fight the elite and are on ordinary people side. There one way is focus people's anger on minorities and “cultural elitists” instead of the more and more powerful economic elite,

That the economic elite like the fact that far right wing politician will in reality not threaten their power and wealth. That for example Donald Trump will now continue with the neo liberal policies of tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation.

That this can also be a reason why Donald Trump won. That many voters didn’t believe Hillary offered real positive change in their lives. While Donald Trump could gain enough support among anti elitist while at the same time offering policies that was good for the economic elite so his support became broad enough to get most electoral votes.
 
ludin said:
Study: Hillary Clinton ran one of the worst campaigns in years | Fox News

the study disputes “advertising doesn’t matter” in elections. Clinton’s failure to advertise in certain key states, they argue, was the biggest reason for her defeat by Donald Trump.

The study also backs the view that Clinton’s focus on identity politics and emphasis on condemning her opposition contributed to a campaign message devoid of substance with no clear message on policy.

Clinton, who was widely predicted to win by the mainstream media, suffered unexpected losses in states where she failed to air ads until the final week before the polls. In contrast, Trump advertised in these states (Wisconsin and Michigan) for weeks before he won.

Of course we knew this is why she was going to lose but it is now confirmed as to why she lost.
to took certain states for granted and went with the once democrat always democrat.

is what lost it for her.
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any news source has a right to their own opinion; maybe HRC did have a s***ty campaign

here is the way I see the campaign in the context of HRC & Trump

Trump ran a campaign based on division & fear, appealing mainly to the disappointments of uneducated Whites

HRC ran a more positive campaign than Trump, appealing to a more diverse demographic with a message of wider inclusion

simply put: the hate, bigotry, and fear of Trump appealed more to voters than the inclusion of HRC
 
cuban smokes said:
any news source has a right to their own opinion; maybe HRC did have a s***ty campaign

here is the way I see the campaign in the context of HRC & Trump

Trump ran a campaign based on division & fear, appealing mainly to the disappointments of uneducated Whites

HRC ran a more positive campaign than Trump, appealing to a more diverse demographic with a message of wider inclusion

simply put: the hate, bigotry, and fear of Trump appealed more to voters than the inclusion of HRC
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Maybe you should read the fist line of your post again.
Your opinion is noted irrelevant but noted.

The study actually sites facts.

You hyperbole and bias.

Yes th inclusion of Hillary clinton who called millions of people deplorable.
Yep real inclusive.
 
ludin said:
Maybe you should read the fist line of your post again.
Your opinion is noted irrelevant but noted.

The study actually sites facts.

You hyperbole and bias.

Yes th inclusion of Hillary clinton who called millions of people deplorable.
Yep real inclusive.
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LOL, you compare one statement by HRC to a year & half of playing to the fears of an uneducated & pissed electorate by Trump .......

I tell you what; Trump treats people like pure s***

"his property is slum like, it's disgusting, he's got stuff thrown all over the place, he lives like a pig" - Don Cheeto

THIS is how Trump treats working class Scotts; just think how good he will treat working class Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_StG5RpA4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_hisXNDZkY&t=425s
 
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haymarket said:
So if her campaign was so bad, how come nearly 2.9 million more Americans voted for her than Trump?
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Hillary had every advantage one could imagine having during a campaign. She philosophically wondered "why aren't up 30 points ahead". The problem was her.
 
haymarket said:
How can you say where those 2.9 million came from?
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Because her support came exclusively from large metropolitan areas. The Dems should just pack it up declare themselves a regional party, and go home. They're a party that only appeals to large cities.
 
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