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US sends hundreds of marines to Syria to support fight against Isis

A few hundred marines with heavy artillery have been deployed to Syria in preparation for the fight to oust Islamic State from its self-declared headquarters of Raqqa, a senior US official said on Wednesday.

The deployment is temporary but is a sign Donald Trump’s White House is leaning toward giving the Pentagon greater flexibility in making routine combat decisions in the fight against Isis.

Military commanders frustrated by what they considered micromanagement under the previous administration have argued for greater freedom to make daily decisions on how best to fight the enemy.

The marines moving into Syria are positioning howitzers to be ready to help local Syrian forces, said the official, who was not authorised to discuss the deployment publicly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...arines-to-syria-to-support-fight-against-isis
 
Cigar said:
US sends hundreds of marines to Syria to support fight against Isis

A few hundred marines with heavy artillery have been deployed to Syria in preparation for the fight to oust Islamic State from its self-declared headquarters of Raqqa, a senior US official said on Wednesday.

The deployment is temporary but is a sign Donald Trump’s White House is leaning toward giving the Pentagon greater flexibility in making routine combat decisions in the fight against Isis.

Military commanders frustrated by what they considered micromanagement under the previous administration have argued for greater freedom to make daily decisions on how best to fight the enemy.

The marines moving into Syria are positioning howitzers to be ready to help local Syrian forces, said the official, who was not authorised to discuss the deployment publicly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...arines-to-syria-to-support-fight-against-isis
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And I'm sure we'll be hearing how bad this is from conservatives because when the idea of "boots on the ground" came up before, most were red veined in how that was illegal for Obama to do. Oh wait, this is from Trump so we'll be hearing the cheers from the right.
 
This will be interesting to watch.
Trump seems more comfortable in delegating responsibility for military actions to the Generals. That is his management style and is certainly his prerogative. The question is whether or not Trump will also take responsibility for failed missions that occur as a result of decisions made by others. Trump has a lifelong history of avoiding responsibility and blaming others. We shall see what he does now that he is CiC.
 
Praxas said:
And I'm sure we'll be hearing how bad this is from conservatives because when the idea of "boots on the ground" came up before, most were red veined in how that was illegal for Obama to do. Oh wait, this is from Trump so we'll be hearing the cheers from the right.
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Surely you are not implying that our Conservative friends might display a bit of hypocrisy are you?........................LMAO

Their political ideology has been shaped by Trump into a very simple context: "Obama bad". "Trump good". They don't think much past the box that Trump has skillfully constructed for them to reside in.
 
Vetplus40 said:
This will be interesting to watch.
Trump seems more comfortable in delegating responsibility for military actions to the Generals. That is his management style and is certainly his prerogative. The question is whether or not Trump will also take responsibility for failed missions that occur as a result of decisions made by others. Trump has a lifelong history of avoiding responsibility and blaming others. We shall see what he does now that he is CiC.
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And that is how it should be. Of course also how it should be is the president should approach congress and ask for a declaration of war, clear objectives and the will to fight it. Or withdraw our troops and get the hell out. At least in South Korea we have a reason to be there due to no end of war with NK and just an armistice.
 
Praxas said:
And I'm sure we'll be hearing how bad this is from conservatives because when the idea of "boots on the ground" came up before, most were red veined in how that was illegal for Obama to do. Oh wait, this is from Trump so we'll be hearing the cheers from the right.
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Perhaps you could provide some proof of your assertion about conservatives and their claiming it being illegal for Obama to put boots on the ground.

For example, the left's Presidential Running Mate to Hillary Clinton said this in 2015:

Syria: Obama authorizes boots on ground to fight ISIS - CNNPolitics.com

Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, who has also called for a more aggressive approach, said Friday in a statement that it is "time for the Administration to propose a unified strategy that addresses the intertwined challenges posed by ISIL and President Assad," with Friday's decision only addressing "half the problem -- ISIL, but not Assad."

Kaine also renewed his calls for Congress to vote on an authorization of the use of military force against ISIS, which it has yet to do. The U.S. has been acting in Syria and Iraq on legal grounds based in the authorization of military force against al Qaeda elements.​
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps you could provide some proof of your assertion about conservatives and their claiming it being illegal for Obama to put boots on the ground.

For example, the left's Presidential Running Mate to Hillary Clinton said this in 2015:
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So because the Dems said it wasn't illegal makes it so? So you agree it is perfectly legal what Obama, Hillary, and Kerry did then in Syria right? You need to admit that first and then I'll continue. Otherwise you are just playing games here. Let's see you answer the question, it's a yes or no in this case.
 
We need to pack our **** and come home ... period.

There's nothing to be Won Syria.
 
Praxas said:
So because the Dems said it wasn't illegal makes it so? So you agree it is perfectly legal what Obama, Hillary, and Kerry did then in Syria right? You need to admit that first and then I'll continue. Otherwise you are just playing games here. Let's see you answer the question, it's a yes or no in this case.
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I haven't suggested it was illegal. In fact, I'm challenging the assertion that conservatives claimed boots on the ground in Syria was illegal.

The fact is, as I proved, Democrats, including the Vice Presidential Candidate was challenging the legality, as my link proved.

If you want to engage in discussion, you might couch your attitude. Is that something you can do? Yes or No?
 
ocean515 said:
I haven't suggested it was illegal. In fact, I'm challenging the assertion that conservatives claimed boots on the ground in Syria was illegal.

The fact is, as I proved, Democrats, including the Vice Presidential Candidate was challenging the legality, as my link proved.

If you want to engage in discussion, you might couch your attitude. Is that something you can do? Yes or No?
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I give the same respect and attitude that Trump and conservatives give to the left. IE none. If you don't like that, go pound sand and run away then.

The fact is that the Dems were skirting the issue and there NEEDS to be a declaration of war PERIOD. ISIS is not al-Qaeda and these actions are just circle-jerks for warmongers. If you want battle so bad, I suggest you send you or your loved ones to fight and have congress actually declare war. Until that happens, YES, these actions are illegal.
 
Praxas said:
I give the same respect and attitude that Trump and conservatives give to the left. IE none. If you don't like that, go pound sand and run away then.

The fact is that the Dems were skirting the issue and there NEEDS to be a declaration of war PERIOD. ISIS is not al-Qaeda and these actions are just circle-jerks for warmongers. If you want battle so bad, I suggest you send you or your loved ones to fight and have congress actually declare war. Until that happens, YES, these actions are illegal.
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So you agree the claims the poster I responded to was BS?
 
ocean515 said:
So you agree the claims the poster I responded to was BS?
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That conservatives support this but didn't with Obama? If that is what you said than yes, conservatives are being hypocrites because they voted down any involvement for Obama to put boots on the ground in Syria but are cheering Trump on now.
 
Praxas said:
That conservatives support this but didn't with Obama? If that is what you said than yes, conservatives are being hypocrites because they voted down any involvement for Obama to put boots on the ground in Syria but are cheering Trump on now.
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It seems you are having a hard time reading. The poster I responded to claimed conservatives called EX President Obamas actions in Syria illegal. I don't recall ever seeing such a position. What I have seen is what I provided a link to.

I think you're ability to be objective is hampered by your agenda.

Nothing to gain here, as I learned elsewhere.

:2wave:
 
Cigar said:
The Poster makes no claims ... it's a legitimate News Story ...
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This was the claim I have been responding to:

And I'm sure we'll be hearing how bad this is from conservatives because when the idea of "boots on the ground" came up before, most were red veined in how that was illegal for Obama to do.​

I don't recall conservatives being "red veined" in how EX President Obama's actions were illegal. In fact, with the Red Line debacle, I recall it being totally opposite.

What I do recall is what I provided a link to.

Perhaps you have something else to prove otherwise?
 
Vetplus40 said:
This will be interesting to watch.
Trump seems more comfortable in delegating responsibility for military actions to the Generals. That is his management style and is certainly his prerogative. The question is whether or not Trump will also take responsibility for failed missions that occur as a result of decisions made by others. Trump has a lifelong history of avoiding responsibility and blaming others. We shall see what he does now that he is CiC.
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When, in the entire time we've known him, has Donald Trump EVER taken responsibility for ANYTHING?
 
Cigar said:
US sends hundreds of marines to Syria to support fight against Isis

A few hundred marines with heavy artillery have been deployed to Syria in preparation for the fight to oust Islamic State from its self-declared headquarters of Raqqa, a senior US official said on Wednesday.

The deployment is temporary but is a sign Donald Trump’s White House is leaning toward giving the Pentagon greater flexibility in making routine combat decisions in the fight against Isis.

Military commanders frustrated by what they considered micromanagement under the previous administration have argued for greater freedom to make daily decisions on how best to fight the enemy.

The marines moving into Syria are positioning howitzers to be ready to help local Syrian forces, said the official, who was not authorised to discuss the deployment publicly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...arines-to-syria-to-support-fight-against-isis
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While I think it's unfortunate that boots are on the ground, I always knew it was going to be required. This is a huge improvement over Obama's policy of arming and training ISIS and giving them money.
 
Cigar said:
US sends hundreds of marines to Syria to support fight against Isis

A few hundred marines with heavy artillery have been deployed to Syria in preparation for the fight to oust Islamic State from its self-declared headquarters of Raqqa, a senior US official said on Wednesday.

The deployment is temporary but is a sign Donald Trump’s White House is leaning toward giving the Pentagon greater flexibility in making routine combat decisions in the fight against Isis.

Military commanders frustrated by what they considered micromanagement under the previous administration have argued for greater freedom to make daily decisions on how best to fight the enemy.

The marines moving into Syria are positioning howitzers to be ready to help local Syrian forces, said the official, who was not authorised to discuss the deployment publicly.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...arines-to-syria-to-support-fight-against-isis
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Since you only copied and pasted, do you agree with this or not?
 
Cigar said:
We need to pack our **** and come home ... period.

There's nothing to be Won Syria.
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Exactly. Any side we "help" there will be shooting at us within 6 months.
 
Porkuloss said:
Exactly. Any side we "help" there will be shooting at us within 6 months.
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We're there for oil. Our foreign policy is oil. Exxon is our Secretary of State. As long as the Saudi's control the world's oil supply, we will be there to do their bidding. We're not fighting against ISIS and Al-Qaeda. We're not fighting for human rights. We're fighting to control the European energy markets.
 
Cigar said:
We need to pack our **** and come home ... period.

There's nothing to be Won Syria.
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So you think we should just allow ISIS to run rampant and slaughter thousands of people? Why?
 
reinoe said:
While I think it's unfortunate that boots are on the ground, I always knew it was going to be required. This is a huge improvement over Obama's policy of arming and training ISIS and giving them money.
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Do you have any proof that Obama armed ISIS? Other than your own bias?
 
Winston said:
We're there for oil. Our foreign policy is oil. Exxon is our Secretary of State. As long as the Saudi's control the world's oil supply, we will be there to do their bidding. We're not fighting against ISIS and Al-Qaeda. We're not fighting for human rights. We're fighting to control the European energy markets.
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You do realize we get most of our oil from the hostile and war torn country of.....uh.... Canada, right?

It's always fun to see an old conspiracy theory get dusted off again, but it's bull****.
 
Tigerace117 said:
You do realize we get most of our oil from the hostile and war torn country of.....uh.... Canada, right?

It's always fun to see an old conspiracy theory get dusted off again, but it's bull****.
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You do realize the the multinational oil companies we serve sell their oil on the global market. So, it's not about who we get our oil from. It's about making money off the global market. Our SoS is Exxon. Now, it should be easier to see not harder. What we do, we do for the oil and gas industry.
 
Winston said:
You do realize the the multinational oil companies we serve sell their oil on the global market. So, it's not about who we get our oil from. It's about making money off the global market. Our SoS is Exxon. Now, it should be easier to see not harder. What we do, we do for the oil and gas industry.
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Whose "we"? Unless you work for an oil company, there is no "we". It's just another old conspiracy theory.

Tillerson was also a high ranking volunteer with the Boy Scouts. Clearly, the Boy Scouts are plotting to take over the US :roll:

Opposing destroying a terrorist group which has brutalized large chunks of Iraq and Syria because "muh conspiracy theory" is rather sad.

And that's exactly what your claim is. A conspiracy theory. And not even an original one at that.
 
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