• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Everyone hates the GOP's health bill

Greenbeard said:
I'd say this is going well.

Ryan disappoints his friends with Obamacare replacement bill


Experts: The GOP Health Care Plan Just Won’t Work


Why major doctor and hospital groups are opposing the House GOP ACA replacement plan









8e2fdf2d7561c7cb88555f100b014600.gif
Click to expand...

Hmm...

Does this mean that every hospital inthe country that has been soending money on things from more impressive entry ways to new cafeterias is afraid that the cashflow will be slowed?
 
Chomsky said:
Which is why we don't need another version of it.

RomneyCare, ObamaCare-lite, TrumpCare - whatever you want to call it - is a failed idea.

The only healthcare plan I see succeeding is single-payer/private provider, as can be seen by Medicaid & Medicare.
Click to expand...

I still don't understand why people hate their health.
The government has proven 100% inept at handling healthcare so of course the smart idea is to give them full control over it.

No doctors or hospitals or specialists are taking Medicaid. So great everyone is covered no doctor or hospital takes it, or specialists.

Doctors are either dropping or not taking Medicare patients as well.
Also good luck getting admitted into the hospital.

People need to do a bit more thinking before giving their health over to the organization that has made a mess out of the system to begin with.
 
Fenton said:
I was speaking about California. Cali has 1/3 of the Nations Welfare recipients and 50 percent of it minors rely on medicaid.
https://www.google.com/amp/khn.org/...n-medicaid-advocates-worry-about-service/amp/

I get there are Governors like Kasich and RINO's in the Congress, my point was Ryans healthcare law is a poor example of allowing the Free market to fix what Obama and the Dems screwed up
I cant think of anything in his initial plan that would actually lower cost.
Click to expand...

You forget Obamacare wasn't about fixing anything. It was about collapsing the us healthcare market so the government could step in and take control.

The first part of that was the SCOTUS ruling.

The government can now force you to buy any product it wants as long as they put a tax on it.
You have no recourse to stop it.
 
ludin said:
No doctors or hospitals or specialists are taking Medicaid. So great everyone is covered no doctor or hospital takes it, or specialists.
Click to expand...

If you're worried about Medicaid access issues due to its current funding levels, why would cutting its funding be the answer?
 
ludin said:
You forget Obamacare wasn't about fixing anything. It was about collapsing the us healthcare market so the government could step in and take control.

The first part of that was the SCOTUS ruling.

The government can now force you to buy any product it wants as long as they put a tax on it.
You have no recourse to stop it.
Click to expand...

Yep, I dont doubt that for a instant. If I had more faith in the GOP or in Washington in general I might be content with what Ryans offering and the promises of eventually reigning in Medicaid spending and allowing insurance to be sold accross State lines.

But taking away or even scaling back entitlments seems to be a impossible task politically for either party, and his plan comes with a huge medicaid expansion
 
After 7 years I really, really expected the Republicans to come up with something better than this.
 
Fenton said:
Yep, I dont doubt that for a instant. If I had more faith in the GOP or in Washington in general I might be content with what Ryans offering and the promises of eventually reigning in Medicaid spending and allowing insurance to be sold accross State lines.

But taking away or even scaling back entitlments seems to be a impossible task politically for either party, and his plan comes with a huge medicaid expansion
Click to expand...

Singapore would be a great model to adapt here in the US. with a few adaptations.
 
tres borrachos said:
After 7 years I really, really expected the Republicans to come up with something better than this.
Click to expand...

it is hard to unravel something when you are dealing with the cluster they were left with.
I would have thought they would have moved into a better and done some research.

Singapore has a great system in which people are covered and for the most part it costs the government little and it is free market based.
however it would require a complete overhaul of our tax system.
 
Greenbeard said:
If you're worried about Medicaid access issues due to its current funding levels, why would cutting its funding be the answer?
Click to expand...

ask liberals they are the ones that cut payments to doctors. it costs doctors more to treat than they get back so why would they take it?
I have called a couple of different doctors for various things and all of them ask if I have Medicaid or normal insurance. when I say I have employer insurance
they go good we don't take Medicaid anymore or they are going to stop taking it.

sorry government has proven itself 100% inept at healthcare.

sure you could pass single payer but that doesn't meant doctors have to accept it then what?
 
Greenbeard said:
If you're worried about Medicaid access issues due to its current funding levels, why would cutting its funding be the answer?
Click to expand...

If you are now unable to have Medicaid pay full market price for a few eligible children, elderly and disabled then why is a good idea to expand the pool of Medicaid recipients even further? Imagine what would happen if SNAP was changed to offer 75% (or less) payment of a grocery purchase rather than simply paying the full tab. That is the basic problem with Medicaid.
 
ludin said:
ask liberals they are the ones that cut payments to doctors.
Click to expand...

If Medicaid is being underfunded by "liberals," why is cutting Medicaid funding the GOP's solution? What is that supposed to achieve?
 
Greenbeard said:
If Medicaid is being underfunded by "liberals," why is cutting Medicaid funding the GOP's solution? What is that supposed to achieve?
Click to expand...

ask liberals they are the ones that cut the payment schedules to save money.
that is why doctors have stopped taking it.

so what good is single payer if doctors won't take that either.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If you are now unable to have Medicaid pay full market price for a few eligible children, elderly and disabled then why is a good idea to expand the pool of Medicaid recipients even further?
Click to expand...

One of the reasons every major association of health care providers opposes the GOP's bill is that the reimbursement associated with covering more people (even covering them under Medicaid) is helping many of their members keep their doors open.

Making the poor uninsured again just means those providers go back to not being paid when they deliver services.
 
Greenbeard said:
If Medicaid is being underfunded by "liberals," why is cutting Medicaid funding the GOP's solution? What is that supposed to achieve?
Click to expand...

Placing (more of) the cost back to the states where it belongs.
 
ludin said:
ask liberals they are the ones that cut the payment schedules to save money.
Click to expand...

This exchange is a nice confirmation of the premise of this thread: literally no one (not even you!) will try and defend this crappy GOP bill.
 
Greenbeard said:
One of the reasons every major association of health care providers opposes the GOP's bill is that the reimbursement associated with covering more people (even covering them under Medicaid) is helping many of their members keep their doors open.

Making the poor uninsured again just means those providers go back to not being paid when they deliver services.
Click to expand...

Because of EMTALA. We could make a similar mandate for grocery stores (food providers?) - force them to give "life saving" food to the poor and raise prices to paying customers to compensate.
 
Greenbeard said:
This exchange is a nice confirmation of the premise of this thread: literally no one (not even you!) will try and defend this crappy GOP bill.
Click to expand...

I haven't read it thoroughly, but they were left with a pile of crap to work around. so trying to fix the mess they were left with is not going to be pretty.
obamacare or unaffordable act caused way more damage than what it prevented but that is what it was supposed to do.
 
ludin said:
I haven't read it thoroughly, but they were left with a pile of crap to work around. so trying to fix the mess they were left with is not going to be pretty.
obamacare or unaffordable act caused way more damage than what it prevented but that is what it was supposed to do.
Click to expand...

Why do none of the Trumpsters want to read the bill they are confident is better than ACA?

I need to start calling these people and asking if they want to switch to my phone service, send them a contract they won't read, and let them figure out when their phone is no longer working why paying me is not better than their current provider.
 
To be honest, I haven't read it yet, but will make an inference based on information I know. His plan will allow people with money to chose whatever plan they so desire and everyone else will get the left overs and pay big money for scraps, and the less money you have, the more painful you will get screwed. The old 'free market' three-card monte shell game. We all have high odds to pick the "I get what I desire card".
 
They'll take the ACA's affordability premium tax credits away entirely in a few years, but in the mean time they'll change them to work like this:

AHCA-Income-and-Age-Subsidy-levels.png


Talk about simple!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom