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Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be True?

Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

jimithyashford said:
So I want to set completely aside for a moment any debate over whether or not the various claims about Trump's unsavory ties to Russia and to dirty Russian and Middle Eastern Money are true or not. There are plenty of threads debating the truth of these claims, and until an independent investigation is made none of us here really have any clue anyway.

Here is my question, mainly targeted at those who voted for Trump:

1- If these claims about Trump, his connections to Russia, the collusion between his team and Russia during the campaign, to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and to a river of dirty money funneled/laundered through real estate deals, IF those claims turn out to be true, would your opinion of Trump change and would you support him being impeached? Again, not debating here IF that is true, merely asking how you would react if it were true.

I will lay absolutely every card on the table and even say why I am asking. I am asking because, at least in my mind, a person who would still stand by Trump and be comfortable with him in the Office of the President even if all of that were true is a person who I think has fallen off the end of the pier of reason into the waters of zealotry and is not a good faith participant in these conversation. Of course I might be convinced to change my mind on that, I just don't think it's very likely.

I also have a few follow up questions, although these are secondary, if you feel like you can only respond to one, please respond to the first:

2- If the answer to question 1 is anything other than a resounding "yes!", then would you have giving the same benefit of the doubt/implicit trust had similar connections been revealed for Obama or Hillary?

3- If the answer to question 1 is anything other than a resounding "yes!", then please elaborate on what it would take for you to lose trust in the man and/or support his impeachment?
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I'm probably one of the most outspoken people about this being a load of crap.

With that said, if it turns out to be true, with concrete evidence, then I'll eat a big piece of humble pie.

This stupid **** about he or his people meeting with the Russian diplomat is idiotic.
That is not proof of anything.
A diplomat is supposed to meet with people who are involved in American politics, in various ways.

He's also one of the most watched people on the planet, in terms of government surveillance.
You can guarantee that the CIA, NSA and FSB are watching him round the clock, not counting that other FIS's are probably watching him to.
It would be epic level dumb to approach him with some kind of offer of collusion.
 
Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

Fenton said:
Seriously ? You admire Obama ? Whats so admirable about the former President ?
His decision to use his DOJ to charge a journalist ( James Rosen ) as a criminal co-consprator under the 1922 Espionage act ? His decision to allow his DOJ to access that reporters Emails, phone records and the phone records of his parents ?

His decision to sidestep Congress and fly 400 million USD to Switzerland so it could be LAUNDERED and then flown to Iran which happens to be the world leading state sponsor of terror.

His unconstitutional recess appointments ? His repeated and highly consequential lies to the American people ? His disastrous healthcare law ? A evonomy that was so amemic it had to be propped up with 8 years of unprecdented FED monetary intervention.

The IRSs illegal targeting of Americans based on poltical affiliation ? Admirable ?

Or was it his foreign policy agenda, which in the ME was to assist and or support in the removal of any existing secular Govts under the pretense of " spreading Democracy " so hard line Islamic regimes could take over. His suppprt of the Muslim Brotherhood ?

I dont get it.The Russian Trump collusion conspiracy theory is nonsense, but apparently thats the kind of thing angry and dejected HRC suppprters et worked up over

Obama left behind a horrible legacy with substantive examples and lasting consequences.
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Well, while I disagree and think you're views on the matter are foolish and will not born out by history, I think you replied to the wrong post.
 
Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

jimithyashford said:
Well, while I disagree and think you're views on the matter are foolish and will not born out by history, I think you replied to the wrong post.
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No I responded to your post where you claimed to admire Obama and Hillary.

Whats admirable about them ? Because I find the selective outrage by HRC and Obama supporters over this ridiculous conspiratorial notion that Tump and the Russians conspired to swing the election absolutely hypocritical considering the examples Ive given
 
Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

jimithyashford said:
So I want to set completely aside for a moment any debate over whether or not the various claims about Trump's unsavory ties to Russia and to dirty Russian and Middle Eastern Money are true or not. There are plenty of threads debating the truth of these claims, and until an independent investigation is made none of us here really have any clue anyway.

Here is my question, mainly targeted at those who voted for Trump:

1- If these claims about Trump, his connections to Russia, the collusion between his team and Russia during the campaign, to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and to a river of dirty money funneled/laundered through real estate deals, IF those claims turn out to be true, would your opinion of Trump change and would you support him being impeached? Again, not debating here IF that is true, merely asking how you would react if it were true.

I will lay absolutely every card on the table and even say why I am asking. I am asking because, at least in my mind, a person who would still stand by Trump and be comfortable with him in the Office of the President even if all of that were true is a person who I think has fallen off the end of the pier of reason into the waters of zealotry and is not a good faith participant in these conversation. Of course I might be convinced to change my mind on that, I just don't think it's very likely.

I also have a few follow up questions, although these are secondary, if you feel like you can only respond to one, please respond to the first:

2- If the answer to question 1 is anything other than a resounding "yes!", then would you have giving the same benefit of the doubt/implicit trust had similar connections been revealed for Obama or Hillary?

3- If the answer to question 1 is anything other than a resounding "yes!", then please elaborate on what it would take for you to lose trust in the man and/or support his impeachment?
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It doesn't matter if people would want him impeached. He would have to be impeached. That is the law.

We don't enforce the law according to popular opinion.
 
Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

JumpinJack said:
It doesn't matter if people would want him impeached. He would have to be impeached. That is the law.

We don't enforce the law according to popular opinion.
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That is not at all what I am asking. I am not asking about what is legally the case, I am asking how people who admire/support Trump would feel about/react to the situation.
 
Re: Republicans: Hypothetical- If these claims about Trump's Dealing turn out to be T

jimithyashford said:
Well, while I disagree and think you're views on the matter are foolish and will not born out by history, I think you replied to the wrong post.
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OHH I see now, my small parenthetical statement (or anyone I admire for that matter) is what you were replying to.

Man, way to take a teeny tiny and mostly irrelevant part of the overall message and completely run with it......Admiration or lack there or for Obama and Hillary is 150% absolutely NOT what this thread is about. That's a fine discussion and all, but I wont be having it here on this thread, since that's a complete side track away from the topic.
 
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