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Trump Genius in Wire-Tapping Charge

Thorgasm said:
I'm sure he will accuse Obama of kidnapping the Lindburgh baby before it's all over.
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But I doubt the New York Times will have evidence on that.
 
Thorgasm said:
I'm sure he will accuse Obama of kidnapping the Lindburgh baby before it's all over.
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Unless Fox News ran a special in the last week, Trump doesn't know about that kidnapping....
 
Mr Person said:
Do you mean this thread?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-new-york-times-told-us-trump-wiretapped.html


It was shot down starting with post #2. The only way to wriggle out is to, as usual, pretend that Trump was actually saying something different from what he is on record as having in fact said.
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Nothing you have said or in the link you posted debunked what i said. According to the nyt there is evidence that he was wire tapped. Legally or otherwise and maybe it was obama or someone else, regardless there is evidence that he was wiretapped, if you believe the news organazations who claim they have anonymous sources confirming this.

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Mr Person said:
Do you mean this thread?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-new-york-times-told-us-trump-wiretapped.html


It was shot down starting with post #2. The only way to wriggle out is to, as usual, pretend that Trump was actually saying something different from what he is on record as having in fact said.
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No, that post #2 said: "The Trump claim of one week ago is the opposite - that President Obama himself illegally taped Trumps phone."

That's ridiculous. Obama doesn't have the tools or the expertise.

But his crooked spy guys do........and it could not have been done without Obama knowing about it.

Guilty.
 
trouble13 said:
Apparently he has evidence that he was tapped per what the new york times has reported.

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Mr Person said:
Do you mean this thread?

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...-new-york-times-told-us-trump-wiretapped.html


It was shot down starting with post #2. The only way to wriggle out is to, as usual, pretend that Trump was actually saying something different from what he is on record as having in fact said.
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Vox said:
No, that post #2 said: "The Trump claim of one week ago is the opposite - that President Obama himself illegally taped Trumps phone."

That's ridiculous. Obama doesn't have the tools or the expertise.

But his crooked spy guys do........and it could not have been done without Obama knowing about it.

Guilty.
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Err... said post#2:

haymarket said:
The Rachel Maddow Show on msnbc ? Latest News & Video

Racehl Maddow had an excellent segment on this last night. Watch it. Learn. She pointed out that a wiretap was the only way we could have learned of the transgressions of Mike Flynn that got him fired. And she lays out the legality of doing that and what it means for the Trump presidency.

The point is that wiretaps could have indeed been LEGALLY ordered by the proper authorities. The Trump claim of one week ago is the opposite - that President Obama himself illegally taped Trumps phone. And there has not been a single shred of evidence that such a crime occurred.
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Vox said:
No, that post #2 said: "The Trump claim of one week ago is the opposite - that President Obama himself illegally taped Trumps phone."

That's ridiculous. Obama doesn't have the tools or the expertise.

But his crooked spy guys do........and it could not have been done without Obama knowing about it.

Guilty.
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Oh, and pay attention to this while you're at it:


haymarket said:
What hypocrisy? Wiretaps can be legal. Others can be illegal.
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Mr Person said:
It's just the usual package of smoke screens and lies from Trump defenders.

Trump never presented any evidence that Obama wiretapped him unlawfully*. So now they want to claim that actually, when Trump **** his pants on twitter, he was actually complaining that a FISA court may have authorized legal wiretaps that ended up implicating people around Trump.

Even ****ing National Review says he shouldn't have made those specific tweets: Trump?s ?Wiretapping? Tweets Were a Mistake | National Review.




The number of people who keep pulling that kind of dishonest defense ought to dwindle over time. If it doesn't, I think the last scraps of my hope in humanity will land in the wastebasket.






* Reference to McCarthyism, reference to Nixon/Watergate (illegality), statement "turned down by court earlier." I'm sure some useless dingbat will make sure to claim "well, he didn't use the words unlawfully", so it doesn't mean that! But of course, that is the undeniable import of his words. And if he was complaining about legal wiretaps, he'd be attacking the court that approved them, not Obama.


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Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017
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americanwoman said:
A real leader would take the high road and focus on the pressing issues, not try and be like the other team that was supposedly wrong in the first place.

So he's making America great again by acting like Democrats? Okay :lol:
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He knows that taking the high road doesn't work when everyone else is in the gutter. Heck, GWB found that out, McCain found that out, Romney found that out when Reid outright lied to his fellow Senators about him. The Democrats and the Mainstream Media have no shame.

Trump has shown that he knows how to deal with the gutter-dwelling Democrats, the Mainstream Media and their talking heads. He trolls them...he spanks them...he turns the tables on them...he diverts them...all at will. In the meantime, he continues to do the things he promised to do.

THAT is a "real leader".
 
americanwoman said:
A real leader would take the high road and focus on the pressing issues, not try and be like the other team that was supposedly wrong in the first place.

So he's making America great again by acting like Democrats? Okay :lol:
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Mycroft said:
He knows that taking the high road doesn't work when everyone else is in the gutter. Heck, GWB found that out, McCain found that out, Romney found that out when Reid outright lied to his fellow Senators about him. The Democrats and the Mainstream Media have no shame.

Trump has shown that he knows how to deal with the gutter-dwelling Democrats, the Mainstream Media and their talking heads. He trolls them...he spanks them...he turns the tables on them...he diverts them...all at will. In the meantime, he continues to do the things he promised to do.

THAT is a "real leader".
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It's....."interesting", if that's the right word.....



Interesting that you know, I know, we all know, that Trump has behaved this way all his life. But, since 1/20/17, it is Teh Lefts' fault.
 
Praxas said:
No, all Trump has prove is he is the biggest disgrace as president this country has every seen and shown what a man-child he is. What really will be amusing is when the Republican congress pays the price for his disgrace in 2018 and then Trump gets fired in 2020.
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Nonsense, 33 seats up for grabs in 2018 and Democrats have to defend 25 of them.
10 of those Democrat seats are in States Trump won.

When Trump tweated that Obama wiretapped his phones the MSMs kneejerk response was that it was a lie, a complete fabrication.

I guess they forgot about the NYTs story, the WaPo Flynn story, the leaks of the names of Trumps associates and the leaked calls between Trump and foreign leaders and the fact that a couple of weeks before he left office, Obama changed the rules for how raw intel was diseminated, allowing 16 separate intellience agencies access to covert intel collected on Trumps associates, his server, Flynn and most likely Trumps calls.

The rest of America sure didnt, well, anyone who's not a rabid Trump hater didnt forget. I knew wiretapping a opposing Presidential candidates phones prior to a elecion under the false pretense of investigating Russian interference was right up Obama's alley.

Since then the Media and the Democrats have backed away this issue, probably because they not only know its true, that Obamas DOJ did wiretap Trump associates and Trump tower, but because they know there's a current investigation into who leaked the all the intel

Senator Tom Cotton is heading up the Senate commitee's investigation into the leaks, and he knows who the identity of the leakers....


Thats great news. Better news is Jeff Sessions is AG.
Wanna bet these Obama appointees are called before a Federal Grand before 2018 ?
 
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Fenton said:
Nonsense, 33 seats up for grabs in 2018 and Democrats have to defend 25 of them.
10 of those Democrat seats are in States Trump won.
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That's 34 senators--9 GOP--and Heller of NV joined the growing number of GOP senators from the moderate opposing trumpcare along with Cotton, Murkowski, Collins, Gardner, Capito and Portman. From the right you have dogged Sen. Paul along with Cruz and Lee. That's 10 off the top without bringing up the 32-member Freedom Caucus and 50-member Tuesday Group in the House where lyin Ryan needs 216 of a current 430 (5 vacancies) out of a 237 caucus where he can only lose 21.

When Trump tweated that Obama wiretapped his phones the MSMs kneejerk response was that it was a lie, a complete fabrication.

I guess they forgot about the NYTs story, the WaPo Flynn story, the leaks of the names of Trumps associates and the leaked calls between Trump and foreign leaders and the fact that a couple of weeks before he left office, Obama changed the rules for how raw intel was diseminated, allowing 16 separate intellience agencies access to covert intel collected on Trumps associates, his server, Flynn and most likely Trumps calls.

The rest of America sure didnt, well, anyone who's not a rabid Trump hater didnt forget. I knew wiretapping a opposing Presidential candidates phones prior to a elecion under the false pretense of investigating Russian interference was right up Obama's alley.

Since then the Media and the Democrats have backed away this issue, probably because they not only know its true, that Obamas DOJ did wiretap Trump associates and Trump tower, but because they know there's a current investigation into who leaked the all the intel
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We'll see how the blatant irrational liar trump handles GOP senators tomorrow requiring evidence of his libelous lies.

Senator Tom Cotton is heading up the Senate commitee's investigation into the leaks, and he knows who the identity of the leakers....
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Cotton is more concerned with trumpcare, his rowdy town halls, and his 2020 reelection.


Thats great news. Better news is Jeff Sessions is AG.
Wanna bet these Obama appointees are called before a Federal Grand before 2018 ?
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The liar sessions will be lucky to make it past the 2018s .
 
Mycroft said:
He knows that taking the high road doesn't work when everyone else is in the gutter. Heck, GWB found that out, McCain found that out, Romney found that out when Reid outright lied to his fellow Senators about him. The Democrats and the Mainstream Media have no shame.

Trump has shown that he knows how to deal with the gutter-dwelling Democrats, the Mainstream Media and their talking heads. He trolls them...he spanks them...he turns the tables on them...he diverts them...all at will. In the meantime, he continues to do the things he promised to do.

THAT is a "real leader".
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trump's been in the gutter all his life. He's a white-collar version of ted nugent .
 
Mr Person said:
It's....."interesting", if that's the right word.....



Interesting that you know, I know, we all know, that Trump has behaved this way all his life. But, since 1/20/17, it is Teh Lefts' fault.
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LOL!!

I'm not sure what you think you, me...we...all know, but I can tell you that I DON'T know that Trump has behaved like the Democrats, the Mainstream Media and their talking heads are behaving right now.
 
NIMBY said:
trump's been in the gutter all his life. He's a white-collar version of ted nugent .
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LOL!!

Yes, I'm sure a liberal like you would consider the business world to be the gutter.

I disagree.
 
And still........despite all the whining.

Trump rolls on with determined implacability.

His approval ratings are getting better and I wouldn't bet against him for 2020.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Yes, I'm sure a liberal like you would consider the business world to be the gutter.

I disagree.
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What about his business record impresses you the most? Trump made most of his money off of his name not because he is some masterful businessman. He is the early template for people like Kim Kardashian.
 
MrPeanut said:
What about his business record impresses you the most? Trump made most of his money off of his name not because he is some masterful businessman. He is the early template for people like Kim Kardashian.
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So you think the business world is akin to living in the gutter, as well, eh?
 
Vox said:
He's doing it again. He totally turned the tables on Democrats and made them look stupid.

They were gaining traction and getting attention with accusations of Russian collusion using ZERO EVIDENCE and mysterious unknown sources that were not named.

Trump turned around and did the SAME THING to them by accusing Obama of wiretapping......and he used ZERO EVIDENCE and mysterious unknown sources......that are not named.

If fake sources and zero evidence are valid for the Democrats to use against Trump.......so they must be valid for Trump to use against the Democrats.

Trump, the master strategist, has outmaneuvered them again by using tactics identical to theirs.

The fascinating 2017 political war continues......and I'm enjoying the games.
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It happened to be reported by the Washington Post and the NYT that phone calls were intercepted and VISA warrants were issued LEAKED by senior intel ! They claim to have phone conversations of Gen. Flynn talking to Russians . We know Clapper LIED to Congress under oath about Obama crew spying on James Rosen and AP . Remember the thousands of Verizon costumers being spied on by Obama and crew ? Did Obama send the IRS after the Tea Party ? :roll:
 
Mycroft said:
So you think the business world is akin to living in the gutter, as well, eh?
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I don't see how that is a response to my question at all. I don't believe that businessman are evil if that is what you're implying. I'm just saying that Trump isn't an amazing businessman. He was born into wealth, and after a series of failures, he was able to stay afloat by making money off of his own image. McDonald's commercials, reality tv shows, bit parts in movies, and a book that sold because of who he presented himself as. It's the same thing Kim Kardashian does. She isn't particularly talented, but she was able to turn a sex tape into a reality tv show and made good money off of it. What most impresses you about Trump's business history?
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't see how that is a response to my question at all. I don't believe that businessman are evil if that is what you're implying.
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Oh. Okay. That's pretty much what I was talking to NIMBY about. Since you jumped in, I figured you were talking about the same thing.

Carry on...
 
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