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The Hard Truth About Lost Jobs: It's Not About Immigration

I never said he had 2 degrees before he came to the US, I said he had 2 degrees before he attended Stanford, which is a fact.

Im not trolling im calling you out on your bull**** lie:


You are now changing your argument.

Now if you can admit you were wrong we can move on to a real discussion. If you think that Trump is going to stop Canadian citizens (which Musk was at the time) from transferring from a Canadian university to a US university not for the purposes of immigrating but studying abroad (which is what Musk was doing at the time) then you are lacking in any sort of real world perspective.

Show evidence of his two degrees before he went to Stanford. You're just trolling with no evidence to support anything you've said. He went to Queen's University in Ontario for 2 years but never finished [1]. When he arrived in the US to go to Stanford he had no degrees, no education past high school, and no job training. If Trump will stop uneducated workers from coming to the US from Mexico why wouldn't he stop an uneducated African immigrant from Canada?

Unless your next post has evidence of the degrees he obtained before coming to the US, don't bother, I'm really done with your trolling because you don't actually have a point to make you just like to whine and make up things.
 
Show evidence of his two degrees before he went to Stanford. You're just trolling with no evidence to support anything you've said.

In 1992, after spending two years at Queen's University, Musk transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where, at the age of 24, he received a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from its College of Arts and Sciences, and a Bachelor of Science degree in economics from its Wharton School of Business. Musk extended his studies for one year to finish the second bachelor's degree.

In 1995, at age 24, Musk moved to California to begin a PhD in applied physics and materials science at Stanford University

Unless your next post has evidence of the degrees he obtained before coming to the US, don't bother, I'm really done with your trolling because you don't actually have a point to make you just like to whine and make up things.

Unless your next post is anything but admitting you were wrong and an apology for calling me a troll, then dont bother, Im done with all you bull**** lying and then trying to cover it up with ad hominem attacks
 
In 1992, after spending two years at Queen's University, Musk transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where, at the age of 24, he received a Bachelor of Science degree in physics from its College of Arts and Sciences, and a Bachelor of Science degree in economics from its Wharton School of Business. Musk extended his studies for one year to finish the second bachelor's degree.

In 1995, at age 24, Musk moved to California to begin a PhD in applied physics and materials science at Stanford University
Unless your next post is anything but admitting you were wrong and an apology for calling me a troll, then dont bother, Im done with all you bull**** lying and then trying to cover it up with ad hominem attacks

WRONG. Going to college is not graduating from college. You'd know that if you went. He got his bachelor's in Pennsylvania, meaning he was an uneducated African immigrant when he arrived. Bye troll.
 
WRONG. Going to college is not graduating from college. You'd know that if you went. He got his bachelor's in Pennsylvania, meaning he was an uneducated African immigrant when he arrived. Bye troll.

Its not about when he arrived in America, your claim is that he had no education before he went to Stanford:
Elon Musk for example, had no education at all until he went to Stanford.
 
I read into things.


If jobs are outsourced due to pay and benefits, then the problem is too much pay and too many benefits.

Yes?

the problem is this
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Standard republican response? Those costs increased because of how much employers are forced to pay employees. So the added cost was passed onto the consumer.

And in the meantime the gap between a CEO's pay and your average worker widens and widens, and the gap between the lower/middle class and the 1% widens and widens. That money goes somewhere and it's baffling that people are too stupid to see through it.

Not to imply that the dems are doing anything at solving the issue but at least some of them address it.
 
And in the meantime the gap between a CEO's pay and your average worker widens and widens, and the gap between the lower/middle class and the 1% widens and widens. That money goes somewhere and it's baffling that people are too stupid to see through it.

Not to imply that the dems are doing anything at solving the issue but at least some of them address it.

Standard republican response....more class envy from a liberal commie.
 
Standard republican response....more class envy from a liberal commie.

Ha. If I stood to personally lose from republican tax breaks then maybe, but I don't, so don't worry too much about little old me.

It's the longer term effect on socioeconomics that worries me. You think the path we're heading down is sustainable? We're creating a poor, under-educated underclass.
 
the preponderance of evidence suggests that it is automation, not immigration, that is eating American jobs.

Sorry but being associated with automation since the 90's. I know better. Automation does have a small effect, bit the money stays in the states to support new jobs.

How can you ignore all the good we buy from China, Malaysia, etc. that we use to make here?

I lost an automation engineering job to the new factory built in Malaysia, almost 20 years ago.

Fast food used to be second household jobs and jobs for high school kids, now replaced by immigrants. Often illegal ones.

Believe as you wish. I've been working since the early 70's. I know better.
 
I read into things.


If jobs are outsourced due to pay and benefits, then the problem is too much pay and too many benefits.

Yes?
Look at countries where they have low pay and few benefits and ask yourself, do you want to live there?
 
Few topics spike the ire of American voters like jobs, immigration, and trade, no doubt because the three are inexorably tied together, at least in the rhetoric of politicians who point to immigration and trade as the villains of the American jobs story.

his narrative was clearly in evidence during the presidential campaign, as candidates in nearly every race made admirable pledges to “bring back jobs” through any number of means: reducing immigration by building a wall on our “southern border”, tearing up trade deals, punishing companies that relocate jobs outside of the US, and/or rounding up and deporting undocumented workers. That political rhetoric has spilled into the post-election zeitgeist in the comment sections of online media, like our Immigration, We Simply Cannot Afford This post that examined the economic contribution of legal immigration over the last half century. The comments section was a river of outrage over illegal immigration and trade, even though neither topic was the focus of the piece. Still, the post hit a cord and has reached over 500,000 views.

It’s no wonder. Jobs -- the lack of them, generally, and the lack of good-paying ones, particularly -- is a hot button for many Americans who are suffering from stagnant wages or worse, up-ended careers. While immigrants and trade may be convenient whipping boys (why else would politicians lite on them so readily?), the preponderance of evidence suggests that it is automation, not immigration, that is eating American jobs.


Read Full Article and you'll understand why Donald Trump hasn't a clue about where to grow Jobs.
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...and another lame attempt at conflating illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Most conservatives I know fully support legal immigration (there are some exceptions). Your post only serves to support the idea that we need to make sure that we're allowing the "best" immigrants in, while telling the "worst" to go home.
 
The farmers in my area would be devastated if they lost immigrant labor. The reason that the Trump agenda is so simple-minded is that this is the demographic that his campaign catered to.

Recruit workers from inner cities where unemployment is at abysmal levels.
 
...and another lame attempt at conflating illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. Most conservatives I know fully support legal immigration (there are some exceptions). Your post only serves to support the idea that we need to make sure that we're allowing the "best" immigrants in, while telling the "worst" to go home.

You're probably correct, I'm sure we'll be able to revisit this Thread several months for now and discuss

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Standard republican response? Those costs increased because of how much employers are forced to pay employees. So the added cost was passed onto the consumer.

uhm., yeah I know. Good thing I'm not a Republican.
 
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