Can You Answer These Questions?

Tigerace117 said:

And you just admitted your grasp of military history is so weak that any point you are trying to make lost a great deal of credibility.

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Have you any credibility in the study of the Military Industrial Complex, waste fraud and abuse? Study Tom Colburn, (retired Republican Senator) Try youtube. Have you any knowledge of the "HISTORICAL" demise of the militaristic Roman Empire and its striking comparison to today's American Industrial Complex?

So far you only proven to me that you have no rational reply to the OP. You can't rationally explain WHY we have 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers and Trump wants 12 new ones. You can't explain WHY our so-called allies contribute none to the protection of the sea lanes. You can't explain how 12 new carriers fit into a federal budget that runs up half trillion $ deficits every year and has created a 20 trillion $ debt and a President that claims he's gonna spend a trillion $ on the infrastructure and protect the socialist welfare state and cut taxes all at the same time. YOU have no common sense replies to any of that.

TheHammer said:

“IF” the largest word in the dictionary. “IF & WHY” is exactly what this thread is all about. You might think about contributing something to the actual subject matter rather than argue about whether it’s all just about fiscal conservatism or actual “IF & WHY.”

Do you believe that 12 are necessary?

If you believe 12 are necessary, why aren’t our allies contributing?

How does the cost of 12 fit into the 20 trillion $ national debt, the trillion $ expenditure to repair our infrastructure and billions and trillions to support our corporate and social welfare system?



OK, you’ve Made the case that national bankruptcy, common sense priorities and making reductions in BIG government spending sprees is of no concern to you.

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I dont have the answer to that question. I dont have direct access to our national security concerns or the reports and recommendations of the SecDef, SecNav or CJCS. I'd hesitate making that pronouncement withoutknowing the facts. Otherwise, I would just look...well...foolish.

And again...you roll your argument of 'need' into the national debt. That is also foolish. What IS both foolish and comical is that you can see me STATE unequivocally that if we do in fact have a NEED then it is prudent that we pay for it NOW and not push debt on future generations and then remain so committed to your inane rhetoric that yo would make a comment like "national bankruptcy, common sense priorities and making reductions in BIG government spending sprees is of no concern to you". See...that comment you made is just...well...goofy.

So apparently...you dont really want answers to your questions...you just want to express your poutrage and facts be damned.

VanceMack said:

I dont have the answer to that question. I dont have direct access to our national security concerns or the reports and recommendations of the SecDef, SecNav or CJCS. I'd hesitate making that pronouncement withoutknowing the facts. Otherwise, I would just look...well...foolish.

And again...you roll your argument of 'need' into the national debt. That is also foolish. What IS both foolish and comical is that you can see me STATE unequivocally that if we do in fact have a NEED then it is prudent that we pay for it NOW and not push debt on future generations and then remain so committed to your inane rhetoric that yo would make a comment like "national bankruptcy, common sense priorities and making reductions in BIG government spending sprees is of no concern to you". See...that comment you made is just...well...goofy.

So apparently...you dont really want answers to your questions...you just want to express your poutrage and facts be damned.

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So the national debt, common sense priorities and national bankruptcy and BIG government spending are "GOOFY" concerns, right?

Why not just admit you don't even bother to think about such things and that's why you have no answers to the pertinent, credible and rational questions of concern in this thread?

TheHammer said:

So the national debt, common sense priorities and national bankruptcy and BIG government spending are "GOOFY" concerns, right?

Why not just admit you don't even bother to think about such things and that's why you have no answers to the pertinent, credible and rational questions of concern in this thread?

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:lamo

Why not just admit that you arent actually READING anything I am actually writing and just blathering on in your own context?

VanceMack said:

I dont have the answer to that question.

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Then why bother with this thread at all? If you have no Answers, or even opinions about the issue, why not just ignore it?

I dont have direct access to our national security concerns or the reports and recommendations of the SecDef, SecNav or CJCS. I'd hesitate making that pronouncement withoutknowing the facts. Otherwise, I would just look...well...foolish.

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What’s foolish about being concerned about the national debt, the annual budgets, waste fraud and abuse in military spending, the over spending on corporate and social welfare, our crumbling infrastructure and our so-called allies ignoring their responsibility to protect a share of the sea lanes?

I’d suggest that you go to youtube and dial up the Tom Colburn videos if you have any concerns at all about the debt and federal wasteful spending and maybe you’ll even get interested in Colburn’s call for a States Constitutional convention.

So apparently...you dont really want answers to your questions...you just want to express your poutrage and facts be damned.

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If I didn’t want answers, I’d never started the thread. I suspected few if any rational answers because the left doesn’t want to do anything except further their crusade to trash and bring down Trump. They simply ignore the Democrats share of wastful federal spending and debt. I expected excuses from the right because they’re mostly brainwashed by the likes of John McCain, Lindsey Graham and the New York idiot Peter King and the rest of their armchair BIG government BIG military warriors.

I haven’t been disappointed. I’ve received exactly what I expected from them and you. You have NO rational answers and you don’t want any.

VanceMack said:

:lamo

Why not just admit that you arent actually READING anything I am actually writing and just blathering on in your own context?

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I read you well friend! You simply don't give a rat's ass and to do so in your words "would make you look stupid."

TheHammer said:

Being a Navy vet myself, I have to wonder about what I’m seeing from the Trump agenda concerning a rebuild of the military.


I’ve ask this question several times in the past without any satisfactory answers coming from anyone on a political forum, old Navy vet friends, or letters to my congress critters. Why does America have and keep consistently in commission 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers and sometimes just 10 in commission and now Trump is calling for a 12 nuclear carrier Navy and a whole new class of nuke carriers?


As far as I can determine, the rest of the world combined only has 2 nuclear powered aircraft carriers, one in China and France has one. Why the American overkill?


Why aren’t the multi-billion dollar nuclear carriers simply sitting ducks in a world of highly technological weaponry?


As far as I know, it takes at least a dozen other ships just to protect the carrier and it takes over 2000 crew mwmbers for a single carrier.


What in hell is “conservative” about a dozen nuclear powered aircraft carriers?

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We engage in overkill because we are the worlds police. Japan, Germany, Itally, et all don't have carriers because we have enough for them. Also, threat of overwhelming force stops most fights before they begin.

Last but not least, building and maintaining those things involve a lot of good, high paying union jobs. It's one of the very few things we still manufacture entirely in the US.

TheHammer said:

I read you well friend! You simply don't give a rat's ass and to do so in your words "would make you look stupid."

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And yet...ALL of my comments indicate I DO INDEED care about the budget. So either you cant read or you are content just blathering on regardless of the facts. Either way...

KevinKohler said:

We engage in overkill because we are the worlds police. Japan, Germany, Itally, et all don't have carriers because we have enough for them. Also, threat of overwhelming force stops most fights before they begin.

Last but not least, building and maintaining those things involve a lot of good, high paying union jobs. It's one of the very few things we still manufacture entirely in the US.

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How much does the 20 trillion $ national debt, our crumbling infrastructure, massive corporate and social welfare spending and a military industrial complex that spends money like a drunken sailor and the defense department that's loaded up with waste fraud and abuse and our supposed allies getting a free ride on our taxpayer's dime, mean to you? Is Our federal government insane? When is too much debt too much debt? When is too much radical spending too much radical spending? When do we go bankrupt?

VanceMack said:

And yet...ALL of my comments indicate I DO INDEED care about the budget. So either you cant read or you are content just blathering on regardless of the facts. Either way...

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THE FACTS ARE everything I've posted in this thread. Are you saying that our out of control spending, our 20 trillion $ national debt and our so-called allies not contributing to the protection of the sea lanes is no big deal and our taxpayers can handle it without concern? That's exactly what your post have indicated thus far.

TheHammer said:

THE FACTS ARE everything I've posted in this thread. Are you saying that our out of control spending, our 20 trillion $ national debt and our so-called allies not contributing to the protection of the sea lanes is no big deal and our taxpayers can handle it without concern? That's exactly what your post have indicated thus far.

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Please feel free to offer where I have once suggested our debt is no big deal. I have made two statements. Defensive ourchases should be based on NEED...and NEED should be paid for TODAY. You find anything other than that in my comments you arent paying attention. And you are boring as ****.

TheHammer said:

How much does the 20 trillion $ national debt, our crumbling infrastructure, massive corporate and social welfare spending and a military industrial complex that spends money like a drunken sailor and the defense department that's loaded up with waste fraud and abuse and our supposed allies getting a free ride on our taxpayer's dime, mean to you? Is Our federal government insane? When is too much debt too much debt? When is too much radical spending too much radical spending? When do we go bankrupt?

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Too much debt is too much debt when we can no longer scare people away from calling to collect on that debt.

VanceMack said:

Please feel free to offer where I have once suggested our debt is no big deal. I have made two statements. Defensive ourchases should be based on NEED...and NEED should be paid for TODAY. You find anything other than that in my comments you arent paying attention. And you are boring as ****.

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Since you have nothing to contribute to this thread, and you're being bored, our conversation is hereby closed!

KevinKohler said:

Too much debt is too much debt when we can no longer scare people away from calling to collect on that debt.

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Whatever!