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Can I have a show of Hands - How many Coal Minor do we have here?

Cigar said:
A couple things I'm trying to understand ... what is the fascination with Coal Mining Jobs. I'm not unsympathetic, I'm just a realest. I don't see anyone lobbying to bring back Gas Station Attendants who come out and pump your Gas ... BTW, they were also part of the Oil Industry in a way.

Who here actually thinks that Coal Mining Jobs are the future of this country and will Boom again? Who ... please raise your hand.

Why is this such a hard question to answer?
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Do you have alternatives to products relying on coal?

https://www.reference.com/science/list-things-made-coal-2453d0f7210c4342

You might as well ask why someone want to be a wildland firefighter doing hard work in a dangerous environment. Or ask why would anyone want to be a police officer or join the military or work in a car plant.

No I have never been a coal miner. I did have a career in wildland fire.

If a person knows nothing else but coal mining and there is no other jobs available they are interested in, then I expect they would go back to work as a coal miner.

Are you one of those that believe milk just comes from the grocery store?
 
Cigar said:
Try to stick to the Topic please ... this isn't personal, I'm trying to understand why some people believe this industry is coming back.

If someone can show me what evidence they have that The Coal Mining Industry is coming back, I'd like to view it.

Personally attacking me won't get you any satisfaction, nor will it contribute to this thread..
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Coal will return if the gov't gets out of the anti-coal business. It's a viable, cost-effective and plentiful energy source that's getting cleaner all the time. With the way robotics are advancing, coal mining will continue to get safer if it's profitable to make the investment to develop the robotics that would require. Getting coal mining moving again would help some of the most impoverished people in this country (mostly Rep. voters, so they're people who's well-being you can write off). Coal is safe to transport, cheap and every kilowatt we generate using coal is a kilowatt we don't have to generate using OPEC oil. Since a lot of OPEC nations support Islamic terrorists (yes, I know you just screamed "RACIST" at your monitor), using more coal means less funds available to go to terrorists.
 
faithful_servant said:
Coal will return if the gov't gets out of the anti-coal business. It's a viable, cost-effective and plentiful energy source that's getting cleaner all the time. With the way robotics are advancing, coal mining will continue to get safer if it's profitable to make the investment to develop the robotics that would require. Getting coal mining moving again would help some of the most impoverished people in this country (mostly Rep. voters, so they're people who's well-being you can write off). Coal is safe to transport, cheap and every kilowatt we generate using coal is a kilowatt we don't have to generate using OPEC oil. Since a lot of OPEC nations support Islamic terrorists (yes, I know you just screamed "RACIST" at your monitor), using more coal means less funds available to go to terrorists.
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I don't like compact cars ... but that didn't stop them from being built ... because The Market Support them.

BTW ... if you really care about Poverty, you'll find an abundance of it in places where Coal isn't ... well do you really care Poverty or is it more about who is in Poverty?
 
:mrgreen: Looks like The Poker Table is down to just a couple players ...

Since I have all the chips, should I call the Pot and Go All In? :mrgreen:
 
Cigar said:
A) How many Coal Minors do when have here?
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i met one this past summer, in NC. now retired. visiting his son, who was wise enough to get an education so that he had work skills applicable elsewhere. which skill set took him to a good paying job in NC

B) How many Parents here dream to have their Son's and Daughters graduate to become successful Coal Minors?
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west virginia, kentucky, and pennsylvania are full of such parents. not because they want their children to be subject to a low skill job, but because they want their child to be financially self sufficient. there are few decent paying alternatives in those coal mining regions, and those few jobs often require more education than those sons and daughters possess upon leaving high school

Word has it, many of those Jobs are coming back ... so here is in that line wait?
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you're not that gullible - but many are. for example, look who they elected president
and those mines, like many other industries, are operating with much more machinery; machinery that displaces workers. automation has taken its toll on coal, in addition to the world's desire to substitute cleaner fuel. and with the advent of plentiful natural gas and a surge in solar/wind as comparably priced alternatives, the equivalent energy can be purchased for the same price as coal, only without the environmentally adverse residue

Remember: The Topic Is: How many Coal Minor do we have here? and How many Parents here dream to have their Son's and Daughters graduate to become successful Coal Minors?

Please try to stay on the topic and address these questions.

I thank you in advance.
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i do not believe those parents would be reluctant to see their kids go into other well paying industries
however, who is willing to train their kids for the jobs of today and more importantly, those of tomorrow ... and will those jobs be located in WV, PA, and KY

and i will respond with a question. how many of those kids are educated to the point they are trainable for other industries. getting a good education has never been a cultural strength of rural America

one more question. if there are more people willing to be trained than people who need training for the jobs available, how do the surplus want-to-be trainees sustain themselves in this evolving information age economy
 
Cigar said:
That's an education for me ... I've lived in the mid-west (Illinois) for most of my life and never once met a Coal Miner
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Maybe if you lived where the coal mines existed, you would have had a different experience.

Why are you picking on coal miners? Shouldn't the people in the areas where the mines exist have a chance to work?
 
Casca XV said:
Interesting you should bring up gas station attendants

After Progressive Liberal politicians in Northern Oregon (Portland, Eugene, Salem) destroyed the state's economy by using the EPA to regulate the Lumber industry almost totally out of business. Their answer to extreme unemployment was to outlaw people pumping their own gas. A lot of people went from high paying lumber industry jobs to minimum wage Gas Station Attendants.

This reminds me of Obama bragging about job growth when the only jobs his policies created was Obamacare causing single full time jobs to be changed into multiple part time jobs.
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They are certainly welcome on those heavy snow days in Eastern Oregon.
 
Cigar said:
I think the real dilemma here are that people what to believe something and deep down they know the truth, but can't face up to the facts.

We all here know that Coal Mining Jobs are not coming beck ... and back from where ... no one here can say.

Because the Facts don't support the Lie. We all know, that 2020 will come an go, we all know that there won't be one addition Cole Mining Job that came back from some fancy world world created by some old snake-oil fool who never knew what hard labor looks like.
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that is some gospel truth right there reverend cigar :peace
 
faithful_servant said:
Probably drives a Prius so that he can feel superior to all those gas guzzlers and just ignore the massive environmental damage his car is causing to "little brown people"
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If he does I thank him for leaving more gas for my big old gas guzzling cars.
 
coldjoint said:
That is nice but has little to do with today's coal industry.
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I guess the prof will be in the delivery ... let's hope they don't run and hide when we check back with them 3 years from now.
 
Cigar said:
I guess the prof will be in the delivery ... let's hope they don't run and hide when we check back with them 3 years from now.
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The proof will come in the paychecks.
 
Coal mining may not come back to the same levels as before...and that's ok. The market will decide.

Flashback 2008: Obama Promised To ‘Bankrupt’ Coal Companies


It’s an odd coincidence that the same day President Barack Obama unveils regulations limiting carbon dioxide emissions from power plants. a major coal company announces it is going bankrupt. In 2008, Obama said his energy policies would "bankrupt" anyone who wants to build a coal plant.

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted," Obama said during a 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle’s editorial board.
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This is the government picking winners and losers. In this case, losers. The marketplace was removed from the decision and replaced by Solyndra.

To my knowledge, what Trump is proposing is removing barriers to let the market decide. If the demand for coal is not where it was before getting regulated into a near-death state, the market will force adjustments.

As long as it makes sense to produce coal, it will be produced. When it doesn't make sense, it will adapt or die on the vine like any other industry. A classic example would be John D. Rockefeller's Kerosene empire adapting to a gasoline empire when electricity started replacing oil lamps.

I see this as removing a yoke, not providing life support, and letting nature take its course.
 
Cigar said:
It's called innovating ...

Just be happy that the tool you're typing on now didn't have Republicans controlling it's success
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So the answer is No. you do not have alternative to products that rely on coal.

Just be happy, no one is taking you serious with your "progressive" approach.:mrgreen:
 
Paychecks

Wise County, Virginia – A long-awaited revival is under way in this beleaguered Central Appalachia community where residents see coal as the once and future king.

Trucks are running again. Miners working seven days a week cannot keep up with current demand. Coal mines, long dormant after the industry’s collapse, are now buzzing again with antlike activity.

“We load coal every day for the power plant in Virginia City,” explained Rick, a long-time supervisor for a major local operation who did not want to give his last name. “There's one shipment a week for Georgia Power, and one for Tennessee Eastman.”
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Coal mining begins seeing revival as Trump gives industry hope | Fox News
 
Cigar said:
A) How many Coal Minors do when have here?

B) How many Parents here dream to have their Son's and Daughters graduate to become successful Coal Minors?

Word has it, many of those Jobs are coming back ... so here is in that line wait?


Remember: The Topic Is: How many Coal Minor do we have here? and How many Parents here dream to have their Son's and Daughters graduate to become successful Coal Minors?

Please try to stay on the topic and address these questions.

I thank you in advance.
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Coal minors? Not sure as no law in the us defines the age of consent for coal.
 
Cigar said:
Can someone please help me out here .... ?

Why the hell would anyone want a "Dying Industry to return to America?

How the F'ck does a dying industry make America Great Again?

IT's F'cking Dead for a reason! :roll:

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It is largely a dying industry through regulation designed to kill it. Coal miners make good wages, many are union workers, and in places like kentucky and west virginia, the removal of such jobs would cause mass unemployment through a chain economic reaction.

Had coal not had the last administration make it the focus of ending coal, would coal have declined? Currently coal is not the cheapest option, yet we have had regulations in the past 8 years designed to bankrupt coal companies, it seems the goal was to put them out of business, so coal did not die, it was murdered.
 
Cigar said:
A couple things I'm trying to understand ... what is the fascination with Coal Mining Jobs. I'm not unsympathetic, I'm just a realest. I don't see anyone lobbying to bring back Gas Station Attendants who come out and pump your Gas ... BTW, they were also part of the Oil Industry in a way.

Who here actually thinks that Coal Mining Jobs are the future of this country and will Boom again? Who ... please raise your hand.

Why is this such a hard question to answer?
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Your argument is so massively flawed it is unbelievable. Gas station attendants made a little above minimum wage, the coal miners you say no one wants make on the very bottom of the scale 30k a year and upwards of 150k a year on the higher end, they are middle to upper middle class jobs, do you really think these coal companies could get people to do such a dangerous job these days without pay and incentives to make it worthwhile?
 
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